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Title: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, January 2, 2019, 20:23:48
What price would you be happy for Burnley to table for him (PFCC tribunal would cover it anyway as he's under 24) if it were to be true?

This also leads me to the reason a club like Exeter generally competes confidently in L2. They had Empandu to Chelsea compensated to a value of £2.5m (£1.4m already) and a 20% sell on, at last seasons end. The season before they sold Ollie Watkins for around £1.9m, and the season before that was Matt Grimes for £1.7m. This season looks like Jayden Stockley could go for £1m.

£6m over 3.5 seasons (with more to come from the Empandu deal), is the kind of transfer turnover Power would mess his trousers over. At this level.

What is more incredible is that in 2014, they needed to seek help from the PFA to pay their players wages...

Anyway back to the faux Ian rumour. I'd accept £150k for him.

Exeter though clearly put some of that money back into the club.... having spent £3.5 mill on ground improvements.

We seemingly derived no great benefit from the sales of Luongo, Byrne etc.


Title: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 2, 2019, 20:33:19
We got a golf course. What more do you want?


Title: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, January 2, 2019, 20:36:42
We got a golf course. What more do you want?

Power got a golf course, and possibly a club in Ireland.... we got relegated and a mid table Div 4 perch, for now.


Title: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 10:11:10
Exeter though clearly put some of that money back into the club.... having spent £3.5 mill on ground improvements.

We seemingly derived no great benefit from the sales of Luongo, Byrne etc.

Well apart from covering the running costs of the club


Title: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 10:33:12
Well apart from covering the running costs of the club

So you're happy that the player sales like the two mentioned, Gladwin, Louis and Ajose and one or two other bits and pieces, went on running costs.  Fair enough, you're entitled to your beliefs.


Title: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 10:50:23
So you're happy that the player sales like the two mentioned, Gladwin, Louis and Ajose and one or two other bits and pieces, went on running costs.  Fair enough, you're entitled to your beliefs.
Not sure i see where he said he was happy/ He answered your question


Title: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 10:51:40
I like having a club, we all know player sales help keep lower league clubs going

A part of said money was alsp reinvested in the playing staff as well


Title: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 11:47:27
I like having a club, we all know player sales help keep lower league clubs going

A part of said money was alsp reinvested in the playing staff as well

OK, it is a matter of belief, my belief is that Power having said he's here to make money sees the club as one of his business interests, and he can use any money generated as he sees fit.

To project your belief, we haven't had a player sale for 2 and half seasons now.... I'm discounting the Flint windfall.... in your view does there become a point where the club tips into oblivion, as if sales are needed to keep us going as you say, logic dictates without any as is curently the case we cannot survive.  When does this happen?


Title: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 12:22:30
Why are you discounting the Flint money? itís come from a player sale we made

I said that sales help keep a club going, not dependant on them.





Title: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 12:27:17
OK, it is a matter of belief, my belief is that Power having said he's here to make money sees the club as one of his business interests, and he can use any money generated as he sees fit.

To project your belief, we haven't had a player sale for 2 and half seasons now.... I'm discounting the Flint windfall.... in your view does there become a point where the club tips into oblivion, as if sales are needed to keep us going as you say, logic dictates without any as is curently the case we cannot survive.  When does this happen?
No what you do is you lower the budget accordingly, which is what we've done is it not?


Title: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 12:35:08
I bet Tactics cut of the Luongo/Byrne money was high. Probably more than went into the clubís coffers.

One presumes Power keeps within budget. I donít doubt for a minute if owning the club was costing him money heíd drop us in an instant. Itís the only logical conclusion to his repeated aim is to make money from owning the club.

He really shot himself in the foot by admitting that, though.


Title: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 12:50:33
I bet Tactics cut of the Luongo/Byrne money was high. Probably more than went into the clubís coffers.

One presumes Power keeps within budget. I donít doubt for a minute if owning the club was costing him money heíd drop us in an instant. Itís the only logical conclusion to his repeated aim is to make money from owning the club.

He really shot himself in the foot by admitting that, though.
Probably. Reality is our turnover is about £3 million. With the 55% rule and almost certainly no equity injections to get around it that leaves a maximum playing staff wage budget of £1.6 million. As unbalanced as our squad is there's 17 senior pro's plus 5 or 6 academy graduates so I don't doubt for a second we've spent most of that £1.6 million, we've just spent it poorly and have hangers on like Robertson and Lancashire who are stealing a wage now. There's no glamour in sustainable football sadly!


Title: Re: STFC Transfer Rumours
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 12:57:47
Why are you discounting the Flint money? itís come from a player sale we made

I said that sales help keep a club going, not dependant on them.

Well the Flint money however much it was, came from a source of recruitment outside of Powers work.... so a windfall.

The question is still relevant.... if sales help keep us going at what point with no sales, do we become unviable?


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 13:05:31
Probably. Reality is our turnover is about £3 million. With the 55% rule and almost certainly no equity injections to get around it that leaves a maximum playing staff wage budget of £1.6 million. As unbalanced as our squad is there's 17 senior pro's plus 5 or 6 academy graduates so I don't doubt for a second we've spent most of that £1.6 million, we've just spent it poorly and have hangers on like Robertson and Lancashire who are stealing a wage now. There's no glamour in sustainable football sadly!

My perception is that your figues seem about right..... the budget is generated by season ticket sales, further gate receipts, sponsorships and FL handouts etc.

When those drop the following season's wage bill will drop, meaning less likelihood of a bonus sale or a decent cup run for some extra cash.

By way of idle speculation, it would have been interesting to have seen what the reponse crowd wise would have been to a cup game v Watford at the weekend.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 13:05:50
Am I supposed to have a crystal ball or better, access to the current set of this financial years accounts?

I donít know what youíre after, a precise date?


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 13:14:33
Am I supposed to have a crystal ball or better, access to the current set of this financial years accounts?

I donít know what youíre after, a precise date?

Just a general time will do.....  your model might explain how, whilst we generated some funds from  sales, we managed to maintain Div 3 football, but once they dried up 2 and a half years ago we gradually slid down the FL.  Certainly there's no obvious incoming fee player on the horizon.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 13:17:45
Just a general time will do.....  your model might explain how, whilst we generated some funds from  sales, we managed to maintain Div 3 football, but once they dried up 2 and a half years ago we gradually slid down the FL.  Certainly there's no obvious incoming fee player on the horizon.
You lower the wage bill accordingly and become a bang average league 2 club. Which is what we currently are but then you know that!


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 13:23:42
Fucking hell, it ain't rocket science.

Power has stated that we are breaking even. Surely 'breaking even' won't be to be explained. Presumably, player sales and other additional revenues will go toward Power paying himself what he owes himself. It will then be up to him what he chooses to spend from his money on new players, projects etc.

You may or may not believe Power, and that's fine, but why try to make out it's implausible when it just fucking isn't? 


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 13:24:53
Theakstonís got it, Iím not going round in circles anymore


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 13:58:34
Fucking hell, it ain't rocket science.

Power has stated that we are breaking even. Surely 'breaking even' won't be to be explained. Presumably, player sales and other additional revenues will go toward Power paying himself what he owes himself. It will then be up to him what he chooses to spend from his money on new players, projects etc.

You may or may not believe Power, and that's fine, but why try to make out it's implausible when it just fucking isn't? 

Who are you talking to?


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 14:00:09
I looked up the accounts recently, and posted about them.  They show Power has paid down a fair chunk of initial investment, which was probably the player sales.  They show a club that seems to be spending what it earns but not losing hand over fist like it used to (as much as can be told from the limited returns we need to provide companies house anyway).  They also showed a new asset for the club, which I presume is the Training Ground - either a wholly owned asset or, more likely, the value of the leasehold.

They certainly would suggest we cut our cloth according to our income these days.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 14:02:58
Who are you talking to?

I'm talking to you. The others clearly don't need it explaining to them.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 14:10:42
I'm talking to you. The others clearly don't need it explaining to them.

So you agree as I said Power uses the money from any extras like player sales as he sees fit...

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OK, it is a matter of belief, my belief is that Power having said he's here to make money sees the club as one of his business interests, and he can use any money generated as he sees fit.

No particular evidence that the playing side has been one of the areas he's seen fit.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 14:16:39
So you agree as I said Power uses the money from any extras like player sales as he sees fit...


I have not disagreed. I don't think anybody here has.

What is being pointed out to you is how we don't 'need' player sales to survive. At least not at this level.

Well the Flint money however much it was, came from a source of recruitment outside of Powers work.... so a windfall.

The question is still relevant.... if sales help keep us going at what point with no sales, do we become unviable?

^It's that question that people are answering.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 14:18:00
The problem is that any significant - for us - money that has been spent on either buying the odd player or higher than average wages for a free transfer has largely been wasted.

Norris, Anderson, Woolery, Doughty, Dave(?) - probably a few more.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 16:08:00
I have not disagreed. I don't think anybody here has.

Abrahammer suggested that the monies from Luongo, Byrne etc, went on running costs rather than being extra, that was the discussion....


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: DV Canio on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 17:14:08
OK, it is a matter of belief, my belief is that Power having said he's here to make money sees the club as one of his business interests, and he can use any money generated as he sees fit.

To project your belief, we haven't had a player sale for 2 and half seasons now.... I'm discounting the Flint windfall.... in your view does there become a point where the club tips into oblivion, as if sales are needed to keep us going as you say, logic dictates without any as is curently the case we cannot survive.  When does this happen?

23rd of March 2027


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 17:17:25
23rd of March 2027

Bit of a bugger then, you'd probably have wanted to get back to the CG for the first time in 15 years for a bit of first game father and child bonding.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: DV Canio on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 17:20:23
Bit of a bugger then, you'd probably have wanted to get back to the CG for the first time in 15 years for a bit of first game father and child bonding.

Weíll go to the phoenix club AFC Swindon.
Start a fresh.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 17:23:08
Weíll go to the phoenix club AFC Swindon.
Start a fresh.

That could be really good for the bonding.... you never know DV junior might make a player.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 17:27:12
The problem is that any significant - for us - money that has been spent on either buying the odd player or higher than average wages for a free transfer has largely been wasted.

Norris, Anderson, Woolery, Doughty, Dave(?) - probably a few more.

Norris is miles better than any forward we have now


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: DV Canio on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 17:28:54
You never know.
Heíll have to be a bit better than his old man though.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 17:29:50
The player sales did fund running costs, largely the previous years costs that Power covered with Loans.  He is not yet fully refunded, but was getting close.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 17:30:12
You never know.
Heíll have to be a bit better than his old man though.

Mum any good?


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: DV Canio on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 17:50:45
Mum any good?

At many things.
None of them being football.

She is a lefty though and Iím a righty so will be interesting to see which hand & foot he predominantly uses...


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 17:54:22
Norris is miles better than any forward we have now
Weirdly he has only 2 more league goals than that so called dog shite player adebeyo


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, January 3, 2019, 18:03:31
At many things.
None of them being football.

She is a lefty though and Iím a righty so will be interesting to see which hand & foot he predominantly uses...

Aren't you working on it already.... I'd have though you'd have some balls dangling form a mobile in the cot


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 4, 2019, 12:03:08
Weirdly he has only 2 more league goals than that so called dog shite player adebeyo
Bayo is a better player than a lot of our fans give him credit for, hes either excellent or awful there no average performance with him.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, January 4, 2019, 12:06:58
Bayo has shown he is good, or at least he can be. If only he can be more consistent.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 4, 2019, 12:09:33
Makes more of an impact coming on with 30 minutes to go than starting


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, January 4, 2019, 12:33:26
He is a much better than Twine. Strange how fans do not judge Twine the same way as him


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, January 4, 2019, 12:57:14
Twine has a lot of potential but needs to develop physically, best example was against Woking when he was constantly knocked off the ball.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 4, 2019, 13:03:56
He is a much better than Twine. Strange how fans do not judge Twine the same way as him

Not that strange though, fans always want home grown players to do well hence cut some slack.

Adebayo is a good prospect, but his inconsistency isn't what we need right now. I don't blame him, he's young and several years from his peak.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 4, 2019, 13:16:09
I think Twine has loads of potential he could be very good but for this league(especially) he badly needs to build some upper body strength, hes too lightweight and pushed off the ball to easily.

If he can improve that (by a lot) he will be excellent.

Bayo has body strength and is at least as consistant as Twine, if not more so, but some of our fans are blinkered as they desperately want to bring through "one of their own".


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: RobertT on Friday, January 4, 2019, 14:14:17
I think Twine has loads of potential he could be very good but for this league(especially) he badly needs to build some upper body strength, hes too lightweight and pushed off the ball to easily.

If he can improve that (by a lot) he will be excellent.

Bayo has body strength and is at least as consistant as Twine, if not more so, but some of our fans are blinkered as they desperately want to bring through "one of their own".

Twine is another one who doesn't yet look to have a natural position to me.  Pryce you could tell where he needed to play - on the shoulder of the central defender and try and play him through or get some low crosses in.  Twine, much more tricky.  Add in the factor of youth and you get inconsistency.    Even when he plays wide, he seems to drift all over the place, which doesn't suggest he'd be comfortable playing between the 18 yard box alone.  He draws free kicks quite well and seems to have a nice touch - he might do well in a number 10 style position, but you'd need a number nine with him to bully the defenders and allow him to drift off and find space, maybe.

Anyway, I'd be amazed if we ever sold him for a fee.  He is still young but has had enough exposure to show there is too much work to be done.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Friday, January 4, 2019, 15:00:38
I think Twine has loads of potential he could be very good but for this league(especially) he badly needs to build some upper body strength, hes too lightweight and pushed off the ball to easily.

If he can improve that (by a lot) he will be excellent.

Bayo has body strength and is at least as consistant as Twine, if not more so, but some of our fans are blinkered as they desperately want to bring through "one of their own".
Bayo's upper body strength is non-existent. Lost count of the amount of times he's been pushed off the ball. Needs to spend a lot more time in the gym to become the bully he needs to be to succeed at this level.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Friday, January 4, 2019, 15:32:13
Would anyone sign Bayo if a fee can be agreed?

Sent from my Mi A1


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, January 4, 2019, 15:39:32
Would anyone sign Bayo if a fee can be agreed?

Sent from my Mi A1
I would. I think i am the only person though


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, January 4, 2019, 15:55:03
I wouldn't mind if we signed him.

He's shit, but it's bog standard L2 level shitness with a chance of improving into a better player.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 4, 2019, 15:59:04
if have him as an option in the squad, but not sign him as a first choice starter.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, January 4, 2019, 15:59:21
There is a player in Bayo, but you would need to fit him into a certain formation to get the best out of him.

433 just doesn't suit him as he isn't a winger and he isn't strong enough to be the focal point. Probably as part of a two with a big man next to him would be better for him.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, January 4, 2019, 16:51:38
Yeah I'd take Bayo on a perm, as long as we got a proper striker too


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, January 4, 2019, 17:42:47
  Twine, much more tricky. He draws free kicks quite well and seems to have a nice touch - he might do well in a number 10 style position, but you'd need a number nine with him to bully the defenders and allow him to drift off and find space, maybe.


Could it possibly be that with Ben House coming in, that may offer that opportunity?  House seems like he could be a Billy Paynter type. When developed and fit - pretty strong and unstoppable. When not - injury prone and unfit. I'd say House is a gamble on loan but if he proves he's up to league standard physically wise...we could have a handy player to compliment Twine/Crazy/Woolery. Probably not the "man" people were thinking of but if he is physical then it'll be shrewd scouting. A Gladwin-esque move are my thoughts currently.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, January 4, 2019, 18:46:55
Other than the Reading link, Iím not entirely sure thereís any similarities to draw a comparison with Ben Gladwin. If you want to indulge in some new year straw clutching, then a young Simon Cox would make more sense....a loan move, same position, similar height and same club.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 4, 2019, 18:48:18
Hal Robson-Kanu?


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, January 4, 2019, 18:49:49
Came to us as a left midfielder...converted to a striker in more recent years. Still only 29, time has flown.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, January 4, 2019, 19:36:22
Other than the Reading link, Iím not entirely sure thereís any similarities to draw a comparison with Ben Gladwin. If you want to indulge in some new year straw clutching, then a young Simon Cox would make more sense....a loan move, same position, similar height and same club.

I'm talking about the build of the player. No straw clutching.

Ben G = 6ft 2in         // Weight = 86kg/13st 10lbs
Ben H = 6ft 1in         // Weight = 90kg/14st   3lbs
S Cox = 5ft 10/11in  //  Weight = 70kg/11st   0lbs


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, January 4, 2019, 19:41:39
I see....I admire your research thatís for sure!


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, January 4, 2019, 19:43:43
I see....I admire your research thatís for sure!


Nothing like getting in the way of facts, eh Chang?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, January 4, 2019, 19:57:03
 House seems like he could be a Billy Paynter type.

 Interesting that you mentioned Billy Paynter.... at the turn of the year I was idly musing to myself, what an STFC XI of the decade might look like  :hmmm:  (no loans accepted)    I hear you say, but there's still a year to go, but I'm content that none of our current lot, bar one or any future signings will be good enough to get in it, so here goes.....


                                                          
                                                              Foderingham
                                          
                                          N. Thompson,  Morrison,  Greer,  M.Taylor

                                            Byrne, Luongo, L Thompson,  Ritchie

                                                       Paynter, Austin


                      Subs:   Vigs, Collins, Ajose, Flint, Caddis, Gladwin,  G Roberts

                      Manager: PdC

                                      
                                              


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 4, 2019, 20:02:36
so house is a Lucas Jutkiewicz type then?


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, January 4, 2019, 20:39:04
... at the turn of the year I was idly musing to myself, what an STFC XI of the decade might look like  :hmmm:  (no loans accepted) ...


                                                          
                                                              Foderingham
                                          
                                          N. Thompson,  Morrison,  Greer,  M.Taylor

                                            Byrne, Luongo, L Thompson,  Ritchie

                                                       Paynter, Austin


                      Subs:   Vigs, Collins, Ajose, Flint, Caddis, Gladwin,  G Roberts

                      Manager: PdC

                                      
                                              

I'd be inclined to have Big Dave Lucas replacing Vigs, Allan Connell replacing Collins (not a lot in them really just remember Connell having a knack of coming off the bench and scoring), Ferry replacing Gladwin on the bench, Switch Caddis to start for Taylor and that gives you my XI  :)


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, January 4, 2019, 21:05:55
I'd be inclined to have Big Dave Lucas replacing Vigs, Allan Connell replacing Collins (not a lot in them really just remember Connell having a knack of coming off the bench and scoring), Ferry replacing Gladwin on the bench, Switch Caddis to start for Taylor and that gives you my XI  :)

Maybe on Lucas, but I still see him flapping at a cross at Wembley v Wall, and it puts me off.  Collins 126 goals from 366 games, Connell 83 from 354.... more of a goalscorer.  Certainly both Ferry and Gladwin had purple patches and neither has done much since, so a toss up.

Taylor is still a very good player... and I like left footers on the left.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, January 4, 2019, 22:20:54
Maybe on Lucas, but I still see him flapping at a cross at Wembley v Wall, and it puts me off.  Collins 126 goals from 366 games, Connell 83 from 354.... more of a goalscorer.  Certainly both Ferry and Gladwin had purple patches and neither has done much since, so a toss up.

Taylor is still a very good player... and I like left footers on the left.

Ahh see I thought you meant a "Decade XI" while at Town. Surely that is all that matters because it's how we remember them? Not what they did before or after?

Hmm, I'd have one Lucas flap against many Vigs flaps (he's getting better at claiming) but Lucas pips him quite significantly. However I'm of the opinion LMc is a better GK than Vigs so, likely why he doesn't make my XI.

Connell & Collins had a similar ratio while here (top of me head Collins about 15 in 46 =32.6%, Connell 11 in 32? =34.4%) but I just remember Connell scoring more important goals but it's trivial shit n piss really. He did get "that" L2 title and FLTrophy RU with us, whereas Collins didn't get squat for his showing, albeit in a league above.

Again with Ferry, it's measured "success" while here. Both suffered with injuries after Town but again Ferry has a title in his locker with us :)


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, January 4, 2019, 22:36:08
Connell played 44 matches for SwindonÖÖa likeable man who played his part in 11/12 but he shouldnít really be discussed as a possible inclusion for team of the decade. Collins was streets ahead of him - Iím surprised Reg has even entertained such a discussion. Andy Williams is another from that season who Iíd include ahead of Connell.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, January 4, 2019, 23:14:55
Connell played 44 matches for SwindonÖÖa likeable man who played his part in 11/12 but he shouldnít really be discussed as a possible inclusion for team of the decade. Collins was streets ahead of him - Iím surprised Reg has even entertained such a discussion. Andy Williams is another from that season who Iíd include ahead of Connell.

32 league matches of which his 11 goals came from. Now Andy Williams I would also agree but then maybe we should include Paul Benson too. We are merely talking here for a substitute position so the data of all four, off the bench would be interesting but it really is just trivial shit and piss.

Of course, it is all about opinions isn't it so if I want to include him in mine then I will.

Then again, is a man who thinks 5ft 10 & 6ft 1 are similar heights, along with 70kg & 90kg as being similar weights really worth trusting in a discussion at all?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, January 4, 2019, 23:26:56
Come on Bamboo, thatís spin a Tory MP would be proud of. My initial post referenced Cox, at 5ft 11 according to Wikipedia, being similar in height to the alleged 6ft 1 Ben House. Similar being the key word. No mention of weight at all....

Nice try though pal.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Friday, January 4, 2019, 23:35:34
Come on Bamboo, thatís spin a Tory MP would be proud of. My initial post referenced Cox, at 5ft 11 according to Wikipedia, being similar in height to the alleged 6ft 1 Ben House. Similar being the key word. No mention of weight at all....

Nice try though pal.

I'm teasing and playing DA. You deserved it though  ;)


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, January 4, 2019, 23:44:05
I'd be inclined to have Big Dave Lucas replacing Vigs, Allan Connell replacing Collins (not a lot in them really just remember Connell having a knack of coming off the bench and scoring), Ferry replacing Gladwin on the bench, Switch Caddis to start for Taylor and that gives you my XI  :)
None of the 'Leeds mafia' can be included as they screwed us over when we got relegated and Lucas was part of that, Douglas would have a place in the squad but for the the same reason as Lucas I wouldn't include him.
Andy Williams was a far better player than Connell or Colin's and would be in ahead of them and Caddis was far better than Nathan Thompson.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, January 5, 2019, 00:38:23
None of the 'Leeds mafia' can be included as they screwed us over when we got relegated and Lucas was part of that, Douglas would have a place in the squad but for the the same reason as Lucas I wouldn't include him.
Andy Williams was a far better player than Connell or Colin's and would be in ahead of them and Caddis was far better than Nathan Thompson.

soapy tit wank the Leeds Mafia. The only one I'd have a gripe with is Billy jumping ship essentially before the PO final. Everyone knew he was off to Leeds and he didn't give a fuck if we got promoted or not. Thus didn't turn up.

Lucas if I remember had a year left on his contract and was looking forward to working under PdC. However his Mrs was nagging him to move back up to Preston and seeing as his better days were behind him, planning for a future nearer home was likely more important. So he joined Rochdale. We could've forced him to stay for another year. Sometimes more than football comes into it, despite what the teenage boy in us thinks.

Agree with Andy Williams just something about Connell. I've no idea what. Probably just that he was part of such a well drilled squad.

Even though they are both RBs Caddis & Thompson were different types of player. That's why I'd have to have them both in, over Taylor. Ritchie could take a decent free kick so Taylor on the bench.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: DV Canio on Saturday, January 5, 2019, 04:48:05
Interesting that you mentioned Billy Paynter.... at the turn of the year I was idly musing to myself, what an STFC XI of the decade might look like  :hmmm:  (no loans accepted)    I hear you say, but there's still a year to go, but I'm content that none of our current lot, bar one or any future signings will be good enough to get in it, so here goes.....


                                                          
                                                              Foderingham
                                          
                                          N. Thompson,  Morrison,  Greer,  M.Taylor

                                            Byrne, Luongo, L Thompson,  Ritchie

                                                       Paynter, Austin


                      Subs:   Vigs, Collins, Ajose, Flint, Caddis, Gladwin,  G Roberts

                      Manager: PdC

                                      
                                              

JPM over Byrne. Perfect supply for William & Charles
Ferry in the middle pulling the strings


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: DV Canio on Saturday, January 5, 2019, 04:50:17
Iíd also have Jay Mc in at left back


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, January 5, 2019, 10:28:50
Mcevily at left back definitely, and i wouldnít have Morrison in their either (probably flint instead)


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: Sir red ken on Saturday, January 5, 2019, 12:25:48
Iíd also have Jay Mc in at left back
Agreed and Caddis plus Flint would fill the other positions.


Title: Re: STFC finances... yet again.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, January 5, 2019, 16:28:20
Mcevily at left back definitely, and i wouldnít have Morrison in their either (probably flint instead)


Depends how you're judging it. If it's over career then McEveley is worth a shout but then surely Morrison, captain of Cardiff and playing in the Prem just pips Flint on that logic? That's why Flint is on the bench for me but it's tight.

If it's on career at Town then maybe Flint could pip in front but then that would bring in other benchers like Cuthbert. He did alright here.

We've had some decent CB historically and 4 there in the last decade. Even Kev Amankwaah was decent. Matt Preston looked like he could become a bit of a Town hero but we all know what happened there and Sid has potential to go down as a sort of legend. He's not the best yet but certainly has similar grit to the likes of Greer & the nutheadedness of Shaun Taylor. Basically a no nonsense CB. Something we've missed for a while and seemingly are so far, today  :headhurts: