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Title: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: Sir red ken on Monday, November 12, 2018, 21:06:01
I remember this being part of the charges against the Town.
Must be worth a 1 div relegation, changed to a 10 point deduction on appeal for next season.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/daniel-sturridge-fa-betting-liverpool-news-gambling-bets-football-association-charge-misconduct-a8630581.html



Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 12, 2018, 21:40:26
I thought it was for paying players outside of their contracts


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: Sir red ken on Monday, November 12, 2018, 22:07:32
I thought it was for paying players outside of their contracts
Who cares times are so bad for STFC at present,I'm clutching any straw to blacken other clubs to make me feel better.
10 point deduction and life ban for the player.


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, November 12, 2018, 22:13:57
I thought it was for paying players outside of their contracts

Hillier was also found guilty of betting against Town when they played Newcastle in the FA Cup in 87/88 and was banned from involvement in football as a result.


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: Sir red ken on Monday, November 12, 2018, 22:24:13
Hillier was also found guilty of betting against Town when they played Newcastle in the FA Cup in 87/88 and was banned from involvement in football as a result.
There you go, life ban please Mr FA or I'll spit my dummy out/


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: RedRag on Monday, November 12, 2018, 22:43:56
I believe Hillier was banned for THREE YEARS from football for the illegal betting (winning the league - he got a return - and also losing a third round cup tie at Newcastle - both bets made with the intention of covering STFC expenses)

3 years for Sturridge would be fair therefore

Before the expiry of the ban, the illegal payments and related HMRC issues came to light.


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, November 12, 2018, 22:55:30
Summarised in the 1989-1990 piece here:

http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Seasons.asp?Decade=1990



Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 09:56:54
Hillier, Swindon Chairman:   three years for two bets

Joey Barton:                       One and a half years for 1,260 bets

DeMichelis, Man City:           22,000 for 29 bets

Sturridge (if guilty):             my bet:  2 signed shirts?


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 10:00:21
The betting is very different.


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 12:55:34
The betting is very different.
So are the punishments, just read above post.


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:02:00
So are the punishments, just read above post.
Yes,because the betting is different.


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:06:29
I don't see how Sturridge allegedly passing on the fact he was going on loan to West Brom would have gained Liverpool any advantage.


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:07:24
Yes,because the betting is different.
Yes, not disagreeing on that,  simply pointing out the inconsistency of the punishments.


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:10:05
I don't see how Sturridge allegedly passing on the fact he was going on loan to West Brom would have gained Liverpool any advantage.
Exactly. I know a few players in the past who have told me they are joining a club and put a bet on it. No rule saying they can't tell anyone


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: Paolo69 on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 14:50:44
Exactly. I know a few players in the past who have told me they are joining a club and put a bet on it. No rule saying they can't tell anyone

Umm i think there is isn't there? Isn't that what he's being charged with? I might be wrong.


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 15:32:15
Umm i think there is isn't there? Isn't that what he's being charged with? I might be wrong.
Hus may be different. If he put a bet on hinself or asked others too for him then yeah he has taken the piss. But if you were speaking to your best mate and he says he has a medical at derby and you decide to put a bet on it i think that is tough shit. On that basis papers should stop printing rumours etc


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: Paolo69 on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:22:09
Maybe it's should be but i think there's still rules from what i've read. If there wasn't he wouldn't be being charged.

Shamelessly pinched from a BBC article:

An FA statement said the charge against him was "specifically in relation to Rule E8(1)(a)(ii) and Rule E8(1)(b)" which are:

Rule E8(1)(a) - a participant shall not bet, either directly or indirectly, or instruct, permit, cause or enable any person to bet on - (i) the result, progress, conduct or any other aspect of, or occurrence in or in connection with, a football match or competition; or (ii) any other matter concerning or related to football anywhere in the world, including, for example and without limitation, the transfer of players, employment of managers, team selection or disciplinary matters.

Rule E8(1)(b) - where a participant provides to any other person any information relating to football which the participant has obtained by virtue of his or her position within the game and which is not publicly available at that time, the participant shall be in breach of this Rule where any of that information is used by that other person for, or in relation to, betting.


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:44:05
So it's really the latter rule he's guilty of in the sense. I suppose the difficult thing is actually proving it? Surely it is just word of mouth and one word against another. Unless he was silly and actually messaged the info to someone. That'd serve him right really.


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 18:05:36
Rule E8(1)(b) - where a participant provides to any other person any information relating to football which the participant has obtained by virtue of his or her position within the game and which is not publicly available at that time, the participant shall be in breach of this Rule where any of that information is used by that other person for, or in relation to, betting.

Didn't take long for Richie Wellens name to appear as bookies favourite for the Town job.  :hmmm:


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 18:15:40
that's January's transfer budget paid for then :) :)


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 14:28:52
Rule E8(1)(b) - where a participant provides to any other person any information relating to football which the participant has obtained by virtue of his or her position within the game and which is not publicly available at that time, the participant shall be in breach of this Rule where any of that information is used by that other person for, or in relation to, betting.

Didn't take long for Richie Wellens name to appear as bookies favourite for the Town job.  :hmmm:

It's certainly a rule i wasn't aware of but then i guess to a lot lesser extent it's along the same lines as the insider dealing rules in the City. It must happen all the time, maybe Sturridge is being used as the test case?! Who knows?!


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 19:43:06
If a bookie is stupid enough to offer odds on a Sturridge move to West Brom they deserve to be taken to the cleaners. Some of the bets nowadays are fucking daft. Don;t offer the fucking bets.


Title: Re: liverpool betting scandal
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 19:54:56
If a bookie is stupid enough to offer odds on a Sturridge move to West Brom they deserve to be taken to the cleaners. Some of the bets nowadays are fucking daft. Don;t offer the fucking bets.

i was waiting to see if Jon Parkin would eat a pie on the bench on saturday, especially after his bbc interviews highlighting his prematch diet and what happened in the cup last year