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Title: FA Cup draw
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, October 22, 2018, 10:36:41
Anyone interesting in there from the lower reaches? Who do people want or dread?

Chippenham away would be interesting. Normally would want a London/Essex non-league side away but as I'm away that weekend, someone shit at home will do me. Save a trip to Billericay for round 2.

League One team away in the North would be the worst - Rochdale, Burton etc.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 22, 2018, 10:41:20
Chippenham have a tough task to get through, but Chippenham would be a nightmare draw for me. I'd just expect the inevitable!

yeah league 1/2 in the North would be worst.

I'd quite like met police at home I think. Winnable :) or York away - Mrs B is from York so could swing a trip up.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, October 22, 2018, 10:45:37
 There are some horrible draws in there.... I really, really don't want Salford, either home or away.  Bound to be on TV, they've a bigger budget, Adam Rooney and neanderthal fans.

 Metropolitan Police (h) would be fun.... are all their players coppers? If so that would be more coppers in Swindon than what you get on a normal Saturday.

 A nostalgic trip to Torquay would be my favourite.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 22, 2018, 10:49:30
Metropolitan Police (h) would be fun.... are all their players coppers? If so that would be more coppers in Swindon than what you get on a normal Saturday.

I just assumed they were, but Wiki says no :(

Quote
Originally made up of players from the Metropolitan Police Service, the rule requiring players to be employees of the service was removed when the Commissioner refused to sanction time off for playing. However, the club is still part-funded by a police staff lottery


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, October 22, 2018, 10:50:03
There are some horrible draws in there.... I really, really don't want Salford, either home or away.  Bound to be on TV, they've a bigger budget, Adam Rooney and neanderthal fans.

 Metropolitan Police (h) would be fun.... are all their players coppers? If so that would be more coppers in Swindon than what you get on a normal Saturday.

 A nostalgic trip to Torquay would be my favourite.

Met Police players aren't all coppers, and haven't been for a while. A mate of mine used to play for them and they're the normal mix of coaches, PTs etc. Strange club, no fans.
 


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: 4D on Monday, October 22, 2018, 11:06:36
Met police away  :)


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, October 22, 2018, 11:21:23
Salford away would be ok.
Could go on a Mark E Smith pub crawl.  :)

Anyway, here is a reminder of the last 6 seasons in the cup.
We didn't really go down with all guns blazing in any of those games.
The Cheltenham one was the worst for me.

2012-13 - RD 1 Macclesfield (H) 0-2
2013-14 - RD 1 Macclesfield (A) 0-4
2014-15 - RD 1 Cheltenham (A) 0-5
2015-16 - RD 1 Rochdale (A) 1-3
2016-17 - RD 1 Eastleigh (H) 1-3 replay
2017-18 - RD 2 Stevenage (A) 2-5

Have pencilled in a long walk along the Kennet & Avon Canal for 2nd round day.
What's everyone got planned for our mid season break this year?


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, October 22, 2018, 11:31:37
Salford away would be ok.
Could go on a Mark E Smith pub crawl.  :)

Anyway, here is a reminder of the last 6 seasons in the cup.
We didn't really go down with all guns blazing in any of those games.
The Cheltenham one was the worst for me.

2012-13 - RD 1 Macclesfield (H) 0-2
2013-14 - RD 1 Macclesfield (A) 0-4
2014-15 - RD 1 Cheltenham (A) 0-5
2015-16 - RD 1 Rochdale (A) 1-3
2016-17 - RD 1 Eastleigh (H) 1-3 replay
2017-18 - RD 2 Stevenage (A) 2-5

Have pencilled in a long walk along the Kennet & Avon Canal for 2nd round day.
What's everyone got planned for our mid season break this year?

PB has probably got a shopping trip with the missus lined up.

Weston Sado Masochists would be fun. You could get to walk some or or all of the West Mendip Way.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: suttonred on Monday, October 22, 2018, 11:31:47
Met police away  :)

That would be good for me. Their ground is not far from the Scilly Isles roundabout, which is almost as chaotic as the Magic Roundabout. It's between Esher and Hampton Court.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 22, 2018, 11:32:15
That list isnít just getting beaten - itís getting well and truly butt-fucked every time.

Apparently, Brown was shite at cups at Sarfend too.

Canít wait.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, October 22, 2018, 11:47:01
That list isnít just getting beaten - itís getting well and truly butt-fucked every time.

Apparently, Brown was shite at cups at Sarfend too.

Canít wait.

TBF in a cup you might as well lose 5-0 as 1-0.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Tails on Monday, October 22, 2018, 13:25:12
Woking, Slough or Aldershot away would do me.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, October 22, 2018, 13:58:41
London club away or someone we should beat at home (I know, I know)


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: bamboonoshop on Monday, October 22, 2018, 14:19:25
Selfishly I'd take Alfreton Town (a). Interestingly I noticed the now new, Alfreton Town badge looks a little like their past player Aden Flint. A little digging and it is actually Alfred The Great. Another dig and I discover that the guy who designed it, I used to play football with, went to the same school and he had the hots for my sister. He now lives in San Francisco. Funny old world.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 22, 2018, 14:35:52
London club away or someone we should beat at home (I know, I know)
Examples, please!


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, October 22, 2018, 14:37:27
Examples, please!

Um, Morecambe?


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Tails on Monday, October 22, 2018, 14:37:50
Selfishly I'd take Alfreton Town (a). Interestingly I noticed the now new, Alfreton Town badge looks a little like their past player Aden Flint. A little digging and it is actually Alfred The Great. Another dig and I discover that the guy who designed it, I used to play football with, went to the same school and he had the hots for my sister. He now lives in San Francisco. Funny old world.

Playing fast and loose with the word interesting there.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: bamboonoshop on Monday, October 22, 2018, 14:41:40
Playing fast and loose with the word interesting there.

I did say 'selfishly'. Interesting to me and as there is a link to STFC then some on here may also. Talk about picky ya cunt!  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, October 22, 2018, 14:44:15
Fascinating.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: bamboonoshop on Monday, October 22, 2018, 14:48:56
Fascinating.

I thought you'd find it a thrilling point of reference Jayo. Must be awesome to be a perfect cuntychops like you.

Another doryphore on here.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, October 22, 2018, 15:23:59
Selfishly I'd take Alfreton Town (a). Interestingly I noticed the now new, Alfreton Town badge looks a little like their past player Aden Flint. A little digging and it is actually Alfred The Great. Another dig and I discover that the guy who designed it, I used to play football with, went to the same school and he had the hots for my sister. He now lives in San Francisco. Funny old world.

 Other than name, did Alf really set up Alfreton  :hmmm:  I'd have had Alfreton down as Mercia.

 We had them and Ilkeston at the CG a few years back, one or the other had notably racist fans.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: flammableBen on Monday, October 22, 2018, 15:37:59

 Other than name, did Alf really set up Alfreton  :hmmm:  I'd have had Alfreton down as Mercia.

 We had them and Ilkeston at the CG a few years back, one or the other had notably racist fans.

 Other than name, did Alf really set up Alfreton  :hmmm:  I'd have had Alfreton down as Mercia.

 We had them and Ilkeston at the CG a few years back, one or the other had notably racist fans.

Ilkeston with the racist fans wasn't it? Didn't Ian Woan score direct from a corner?


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, October 22, 2018, 15:47:48
Ilkeston with the racist fans wasn't it? Didn't Ian Woan score direct from a corner?

I'll bow to your greater knowledge on matters King era STFC.

Ian Woan is currently to be found as Dyche's cone carrier at Burnley.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: blinkpip on Monday, October 22, 2018, 16:55:43
Weston Super Mare would be a great one. (hopefully)


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: bamboonoshop on Monday, October 22, 2018, 17:56:52

 Other than name, did Alf really set up Alfreton  :hmmm:  I'd have had Alfreton down as Mercia.

 We had them and Ilkeston at the CG a few years back, one or the other had notably racist fans.

It's up for debate for certain. ATG was known to have sent fighters that far North whilst battling that region. There's chance that he could've played a part in building Alfreton for the sake of peace. Maybe he paid the Danes so they could "build" Alfreton? We fall on the Danelaw side so are Danish Mercia, I believe as opposed to English Mercia. If you look at the Wessex/Danelaw divide, it's not dissimilar to the North/South divide today. I thought we'd made progress, yet seems like a regress. Without bringing too much Brexit talk into the discussion, it seems likely that regression is where we could be headed anyway ;)


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 22, 2018, 18:23:51
Piss stains away


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Monday, October 22, 2018, 18:47:41
Swindon Ball  no. 44 .... Oxford 33


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 22, 2018, 18:54:54
67 Weston or bath


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, October 22, 2018, 19:02:08
It's up for debate for certain. ATG was known to have sent fighters that far North whilst battling that region. There's chance that he could've played a part in building Alfreton for the sake of peace. Maybe he paid the Danes so they could "build" Alfreton? We fall on the Danelaw side so are Danish Mercia, I believe as opposed to English Mercia. If you look at the Wessex/Danelaw divide, it's not dissimilar to the North/South divide today. I thought we'd made progress, yet seems like a regress. Without bringing too much Brexit talk into the discussion, it seems likely that regression is where we could be headed anyway ;)

I'm always a bit wary about place-name derivations, because you can always find documents and references where spellings vary to a greater or lesser extent, sometimes to the point of completely changing the name.  Take somewhere like Avebury, at one time it was Abury or Aubrey.... Avebury only evolving relatively recently, prob 18th/19th Century. Swindon used to known as Chipping Suindone.

Can be fun though if you're trying to create a landscape history theory as any interpretation is likely is valid as the next.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: cdakev on Monday, October 22, 2018, 19:10:29
York City at home


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 22, 2018, 19:16:47
good draw, Mrs Batch's home town. please don't cock it up Swindon. bragging rights required..


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 22, 2018, 19:17:27
good draw for chippers of they can do it, home to pompey


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, October 22, 2018, 19:17:49
Decent draw. Think Iíll go.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, October 22, 2018, 19:20:49
 Decent draw.... chance of winning and it's been a while since we hosted The Minstermen.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 22, 2018, 19:21:14
Great draw. My old manís team, rip. Fed up of him telling me about Arthur Bottom and how the dirty bastard Jimmy Scoular stopping them getting to the Final in 1955(?).

Went to Yorkís play off win over Crewe on the same weekend as we beat Leicester.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Kinky Tom on Monday, October 22, 2018, 19:25:06
Decent draw.... chance of winning and it's been a while since we hosted The Minstermen.

First home game 95/96 is my guess?


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Kinky Tom on Monday, October 22, 2018, 19:26:58
Aside from my guess there, a nice draw for me.  Few friends up there, had the incredible honour of being best man in the minster itself.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, October 22, 2018, 19:29:59
First home game 95/96 is my guess?

Feels about right.

Although a trip to Bootham Crescent on the surface might have been desirable, for travelling fans, we've a sketchy record there, so need to get the job done at the CG


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 22, 2018, 19:34:50
Anyone spot Reg?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FVIWOA6pnBo


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: ferret on Monday, October 22, 2018, 19:49:37
Itís as good a draw as any in the hat really. York wonít view it as a massive day out - I expect theyíll be disappointed with it.

Got to get the job done now.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, October 22, 2018, 20:01:11
Without us coming up trumps and getting pox or Gas anything will be a bit meh. We are at home and also avoided and shit away draw in some northern outpost..


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, October 22, 2018, 21:03:41
Anyone spot Reg?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FVIWOA6pnBo

I was alive. 1955 that, York's finest hour, got to the semi as a Div 3 (N) side and took Newcastle to a replay. A fine sight of  Archibald Leitch ironwork at Roker, there may be some still kicking around at Goodison and Fratton Park.

York turned over Spurs in the 5th round which was probably their stand out FA cup win.  They did win 3-0 at Old Trafford in 95 in the LC, which I'm sure their fans still recall to this day.

Of further interest in that clip is Ronnie Simpson in goal for Newcastle. He'd played for GB in the 1948 Olympics, won the Cup in 55, then the European Cup with Celtic in 68.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 22, 2018, 21:33:41
Apparently, their manager, Sam Collins, was once a loanee at the CG.

Canít remember that.

And they have never beaten us at the CG. There, Iíve said it.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: bamboonoshop on Monday, October 22, 2018, 22:59:26
Decent draw that. Home tie is best but wouldn't have minded an away tie versus Jonathan Smith's former Minsterboys!


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, October 23, 2018, 09:53:19
York were one of few teams to beat us in 95/96. Haven't played them since!


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Pax Romana on Tuesday, October 23, 2018, 11:10:34
Good draw for us.  Might go but probably won't.

Last time I saw York was in their Conference playoff win against Luton at Wembley.  Now there were two contrasting sets of fans....


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, October 23, 2018, 11:18:13
Well, they are apparently "aren't great, particularly defensively" according to a  BBC York sports presenter Mrs B knows.

So who knows, we may get the goal music out yet.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 12, 2018, 19:35:14
No doubt the footballing gods will pair us with Oldham.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, November 12, 2018, 20:15:07
Woking at home


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, November 12, 2018, 20:16:36
3rd in the National League south so Reg will shortly be telling us how they are favourites and a much better team than us.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 12, 2018, 20:17:11
Itís our year. Our name is on the cup.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 20:19:58
3rd in the National League south so Reg will shortly be telling us how they are favourites and a much better team than us.

We've no idea how the players will react to Wellens and Hunt, if we play well then we've a chance and we have seen Woking off in the past.

Wellens had one FA cup match last season.... lost at Brunton Park, 3-2.  Not disgraced and only one league below.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 20:22:05
I thought Woking were still conference. To find out that they are York level is good news


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 12, 2018, 20:23:58
I saw us play them at Woking in a pre season friendly - year before last I think.

They had a very big, physical striker Effiong up front who looked good. Johnny Goddard scored for us.

Surprised they got relegated.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: cdakev on Monday, November 12, 2018, 20:57:25
This is a great opportunity for us to get to the third round


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Exiled Bob on Monday, November 12, 2018, 21:14:57
We've no idea how the players will react to Wellens and Hunt, if we play well then we've a chance and we have seen Woking off in the past.

Wellens had one FA cup match last season.... lost at Brunton Park, 3-2.  Not disgraced and only one league below.
As has been pointed out in the past, a typical "prediction" from Reg. IF we play we might win, but then again we could lose.

No doubt, we probably won't have enough quality to see them off ::)



Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, November 12, 2018, 22:21:37
If pretty much as good a draw as we could have got, anyone saying otherwise is fishing


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: RedRag on Monday, November 12, 2018, 23:00:36
I saw us play them at Woking in a pre season friendly - year before last I think.

They had a very big, physical striker Effiong up front who looked good. Johnny Goddard scored for us.

Surprised they got relegated.
they are part timers and at Conference level they find the vast majority of their opponents are full time these days.

we have beaten them at least a couple of times before.  The last time was a rather dull game but the time before Clive Walker (ex Chelsea) was the MOM in an unlucky losing effort when we were tier 2.

I got involved in a first half shouting match with a Woking fan in the DR who thought it was ok to make monkey noises when the Chief was featuring.  He got ejected and we won.




Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Costanza on Monday, November 12, 2018, 23:02:01
Hopefully another £10 ticket.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, November 12, 2018, 23:11:57
they are part timers and at Conference level they find the vast majority of their opponents are full time these days.

we have beaten them at least a couple of times before.  The last time was a rather dull game but the time before Clive Walker (ex Chelsea) was the MOM in an unlucky losing effort when we were tier 2.

I got involved in a first half shouting match with a Woking fan in the DR who thought it was ok to make monkey noises when the Chief was featuring.  He got ejected and we won.



I'm sure we played them in the Wilson playoff season and won with a dull 1-0. Fulham in the 3rd round was a good day out, think we took about 6k.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: DV Canio on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 02:50:37
For a team of our stature there are no winnable games in Round 2.
We should be thankfull to get this far and praise Brown for giving us a cup run.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 08:56:57
Hopefully another £10 ticket.

You need to choose your parking spaces more wisely.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 09:08:00
For a team of our stature there are no winnable games in Round 2.
We should be thankfull to get this far and praise Brown for giving us a cup run.

Are you pretending to be a crap Chang pretending to be a crap Reg?


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 09:39:40
I thought Chang was crap reg

so he's crap crap reg


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 09:40:16
No, Dv being Dv.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: normy on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 09:53:33
With the players we've got, the only thing we have lacking imo is the ability to take our chances more often. With our confidence seemingly increased, and new manager bounce, there's every chance of us progressing.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 10:02:22
With the players we've got, the only thing we have lacking imo is the ability to take our chances more often. With our confidence seemingly increased, and new manager bounce, there's every chance of us progressing.
come on, Normy, that just Roy of the Rovers fantasy talk.  ;)

If we did hold Woking at the CG, we'd play them 2 x this year - and probably home and away for a few sustainable seasons more in the Conference.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: DV Canio on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 10:21:18
Are you pretending to be a crap Chang pretending to be a crap Reg?

Something like that, yes


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Friday, November 16, 2018, 19:17:57
Our fixture against @wokingfc will be played on Sunday 2nd December. Kick Off: 14:00.

#STFC 🔴


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, November 16, 2018, 19:18:04
Game moved to 2pm Sunday

I presume to be a part of the bbc Ďmulti-gameí coverage


Title: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Friday, November 16, 2018, 19:32:39
confirmed on BBCs live highlights, whatever that is

https://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/latest-news/24501/the-fa-confirm-further-televised-fa-cup-second-round-ties/ (https://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/latest-news/24501/the-fa-confirm-further-televised-fa-cup-second-round-ties/)

is it like the Jive Bunny of football coverage?


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, November 16, 2018, 19:41:09
Itís like soccer Saturday only they show the highlights as they happen


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Friday, November 16, 2018, 20:13:03
oh right, thanks. seems a bit pointless unless the club get cash, but I think I can still make it.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 02:08:59
Our fixture against @wokingfc will be played on Sunday 2nd December. Kick Off: 14:00.

#STFC 🔴

Bollocks Iím flying to Chicago on the Sunday!


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 09:06:20
Bollocks Iím flying to Chicago on the Sunday!

You poor thing  :)


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 09:58:24
Bollocks Iím flying to Chicago on the Sunday!
That's a lucky escape.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 11:40:26
 Not a fan of spending Sundays at football...... I take my lead from Jimmy Allan, but for cultural rather than religious reasons.

 


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 11:42:57
apparently worth an extra £12,500 each club for the switch


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 11:46:04
ah right, worth it then, good to hear.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 12:01:12
That's a lucky escape.

Maybe, maybe not!!


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 12:18:43
Does that mean no ifollow for that match?


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 12:27:50
Does that mean no ifollow for that match?
There are no FA cup games on ifollow.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 12:50:31
ifollow out!


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 20:44:12
fa cup prices out

£20 for an adult...

nah only joking, it's £10 again


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: suttonred on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 20:50:08
ifollow out!

Ifollow in. Will save me wasting a tenner watching dross again


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: 4D on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 20:56:07
Woking will dick us


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 21:47:29
Woking will dick us

Speak for yourself.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 22:08:25
Quote from: 4D
Woking will dick us

they won't


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 22:53:25
Ifollow in. Will save me wasting a tenner watching dross again

... except I understand ifollow won't. FA cup games not on ifollow, so I have been told.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 22:58:12
I think he meant he won't be able to waste £10 on ifollow watching a shitshow.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: suttonred on Monday, November 19, 2018, 00:10:15
Correct. I've been suckered 3 times already this season.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 19, 2018, 08:27:50
the good news is that for those games available in the UK  using a VPN to order you can waste just over £5 instead. bargain.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, November 19, 2018, 08:49:50
This post could easily sit in the who to blame thread. However one looks at things, it is painfully obvious we need new personnel to reinforce the unbalanced squad. So letís hope we get past Woking and land a fuck-off tie away at say Man U, Man C, Arsenal or another giant in the premier league to get a cash boost to enable Power to do just that.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 19, 2018, 10:15:01
This post could easily sit in the who to blame thread. However one looks at things, it is painfully obvious we need new personnel to reinforce the unbalanced squad. So letís hope we get past Woking and land a fuck-off tie away at say Man U, Man C, Arsenal or another giant in the premier league to get a cash boost to enable Power to do just that.

But would he? It seems to me that Power sees STFC as just a piece of his business interests, so that any money generated by it can be used in any other part of his "empire"  I susppose conversely the reverse might apply, in time of need.

However  fans assume that if money is made by what they recognise as STFC, it should be spent on STFC and not say Waterford.   I'd imagine becasue it's his club Power assumes any money generated can be spent as Lee Power sees fit.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: 4D on Monday, November 19, 2018, 10:52:29
You have got to keep your customers happy, there's already a drop in attendance. Be hard to get that back.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, November 19, 2018, 11:48:44
But would he? It seems to me that Power sees STFC as just a piece of his business interests, so that any money generated by it can be used in any other part of his "empire"  I susppose conversely the reverse might apply, in time of need.

However  fans assume that if money is made by what they recognise as STFC, it should be spent on STFC and not say Waterford.   I'd imagine becasue it's his club Power assumes any money generated can be spent as Lee Power sees fit.

But would he? Only he knows if he would.

I suspect you are right and I agree itís his business and once we hand it over the money is his to use as he sees fit. Not all but most fans would see it that way. The fans entitlement though once the money has been handed over is to expect something thatís fit for purpose or has some returned value against it.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 19, 2018, 11:57:55
But would he? Only he knows if he would.

I suspect you are right and I agree itís his business and once we hand it over the money is his to use as he sees fit. Not all but most fans would see it that way. The fans entitlement though once the money has been handed over is to expect something thatís fit for purpose or has some returned value against it.

I've been wondering if there's any obvious correlation between us turning to shit and Power acquiring Waterford... namely the timing of lack of investment in us coinciding with investment in them?


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 19, 2018, 12:43:32
Not all but most fans would see it that way. The fans entitlement though once the money has been handed over is to expect something thatís fit for purpose or has some returned value against it.

I doubt many fans would support taking profits generated by STFC to fund Waterford, should it ever be proven. In fact it would be negligent to fail one business to fund another, and potentially illegal for the directors to support that.

I'm not sure I see where this profit is coming from mind.
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Surely more likely he's getting what ever funding he has and directing it to Waterford, and keeping us (barely) ticking along with an exit strategy in mind.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 19, 2018, 13:01:07
I doubt many fans would support taking profits generated by STFC to fund Waterford, should it ever be proven. In fact it would be negligent to fail one business to fund another, and potentially illegal for the directors to support that.

I'm not sure I see where this profit is coming from mind.
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Surely more likely he's getting what ever funding he has and directing it to Waterford, and keeping us (barely) ticking along with an exit strategy in mind.

Is it illegal? I genuinely don't know.

We have apparently made some money out of player sales.... no need to list we know who they are, and then this season the Flint windfall.

Power claimed in the recent interview that went on covering loses.... possibly true. However if the club is still losing money despite reducing the wage bill, and transfer funds drying up due to poor recruitment and turd polishing.... it should be time for him to look at selling.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 19, 2018, 13:31:13
Is it illegal? I genuinely don't know.

I thought the responsibility was to that to act in the best interests of the company, not just the majority shareholder.

Profit taking itself can't be illegal. I guess they'd show they were paying peter and paul, hence no case.

I am of course most likely utterly wrong.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 19, 2018, 14:51:39
Is it illegal? I genuinely don't know.

We have apparently made some money out of player sales.... no need to list we know who they are, and then this season the Flint windfall.

Power claimed in the recent interview that went on covering loses.... possibly true. However if the club is still losing money despite reducing the wage bill, and transfer funds drying up due to poor recruitment and turd polishing.... it should be time for him to look at selling.

based on the limited accounts that we can get hold of, the club is probably close to break even now, but did run losses for the first couple of years that player sales will have paid back - the loans increased after being initially wiped off.  That suggests someone was providing finance to the club and it wasn't a bank.  Either Power or someone else was loaning the club money to cover operational costs, player sales moved us into a position to pay down some of those loans.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 19, 2018, 15:06:32
Actually, looking at the accounts, you can probably just about work out the following happening until the start of last season:

Power paid himself back a considerable sum over two years, most likely from transfer fees, BUT, the debt to him increased.  This appears to be because we purchased land at the cost of about 2.5m and he funded most of it.  Possibly the training ground?

We have over 2m in debtors, which is probably the transfer fees for players like Ajose/Byrne?

We still owe 2m to Black - we have an unsecured debenture on the books for that value.

Overall, we probably made a profit - the land purchase will be charged to the accounts through depreciation in coming years, the player sales were realised.  He paid himself back money, but we still owe him nearly 2m (he had been close to covering off all his investment the prior year).

Assuming the training ground is actually a club asset, we appear to be in good shape on the books - certainly the first time our assets and debtors is anywhere close to what we owe people.

My hunch - we build the training ground and the profit making bits of that, he makes some money, passes that through the club and covers some operational losses (no transfers coming in now) and pays himself off the rest of the money he owes himself.  Power comes out of it smelling of roses financially.  The club is better off on the balance sheet, add in potential ground development and he has his exit strategy - he can sell the club for money, something previously unheard of for us.

The downside for us - maybe a year or two away and the account suggest his focus has been on non football related activities on the balance sheet, so we can expect the same budget as now for that period.  He's been paying down the debt to himself related to covering the operational losses in the first couple of seasons.  The question is whether he' likely to take a hit based on division we are in, he's certainly done enough to protect himself from that though.   As a business we are in good health vs. five years ago, but does the risk on income put people off paying?


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, November 19, 2018, 15:13:56
Is it illegal? I genuinely don't know.

We have apparently made some money out of player sales.... no need to list we know who they are, and then this season the Flint windfall.

Power claimed in the recent interview that went on covering loses.... possibly true. However if the club is still losing money despite reducing the wage bill, and transfer funds drying up due to poor recruitment and turd polishing.... it should be time for him to look at selling.

Just out of interest who is going to want to buy a company with no assets which is losing cash, apart from someone like Dominic Chappell (of Jed McCrory)?

As Power funded us making losses for much of the earlier years of his ownership I can see no great problem with him taking cash out and doing with it as he likes?

As for the legality of it, associated companies fund each other all the time, but we will never know as we are so two bit we don't have to present full accounts, although cannot those who have shareholdings (albeit pointless after St Andrew of Fitton altered the structure) ask to see the full accounts?


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, November 19, 2018, 15:17:29

Assuming the training ground is actually a club asset, we appear to be in good shape on the books - certainly the first time our assets and debtors is anywhere close to what we owe people.



The legal declaration on the planning application for the training ground says the land is owned by Mr L Power, whilst the application is made in the name of the club suggesting that there is a difference between the two, although its very blurred with him essentially being the sole shareholder in the club (sort of)


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 19, 2018, 15:50:32
Actually, looking at the accounts, you can probably just about work out the following happening until the start of last season:

Power paid himself back a considerable sum over two years, most likely from transfer fees, BUT, the debt to him increased.  This appears to be because we purchased land at the cost of about 2.5m and he funded most of it.  Possibly the training ground?

We have over 2m in debtors, which is probably the transfer fees for players like Ajose/Byrne?

We still owe 2m to Black - we have an unsecured debenture on the books for that value.

Overall, we probably made a profit - the land purchase will be charged to the accounts through depreciation in coming years, the player sales were realised.  He paid himself back money, but we still owe him nearly 2m (he had been close to covering off all his investment the prior year).

Assuming the training ground is actually a club asset, we appear to be in good shape on the books - certainly the first time our assets and debtors is anywhere close to what we owe people.

My hunch - we build the training ground and the profit making bits of that, he makes some money, passes that through the club and covers some operational losses (no transfers coming in now) and pays himself off the rest of the money he owes himself.  Power comes out of it smelling of roses financially.  The club is better off on the balance sheet, add in potential ground development and he has his exit strategy - he can sell the club for money, something previously unheard of for us.

The downside for us - maybe a year or two away and the account suggest his focus has been on non football related activities on the balance sheet, so we can expect the same budget as now for that period.  He's been paying down the debt to himself related to covering the operational losses in the first couple of seasons.  The question is whether he' likely to take a hit based on division we are in, he's certainly done enough to protect himself from that though.   As a business we are in good health vs. five years ago, but does the risk on income put people off paying?

As expected then, Power takes money from the club when he can to at least cover for example the initial money to get rid of the umbongo.... with the FL, back in the days of Fredi Mercs.  It's also possible he's used monies generated on the training ground purchase.... the technical ownership being moot.

I've always backed the idea of sustainability, and us having a natural sort of position in the pecking order, but if we are to be non league as a result, I'd rather be non league as a Trust run club.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 19, 2018, 16:18:46
It's in black and white that he has taken money out of the business, to repay money he put into the business.  It is also black and white that the business still owes him shy of 2m.  What isn't 100% clear is how the money gets deployed, but the Balance Sheet does show a 2.5m increase in the value of Land and Buildings, which happened at least a year and a bit ago.  The only logical conclusion is the Training Ground site.

Overall, the Balance Sheet is much tidier than at any time in recent memory.

We still have 2m of debt to be paid to the club, so there is enough coming down the pipeline to cover any current liabilities and a bit more to repay Power some of the remainder.

The Debenture, from memory, is due on sale of the business - he's probably got the business close to a point where he'd be able to get a sale price sufficient to cover that.

The one unknown is the impact the decline in the league position, and potentially income, could have.  I'd like to think it's enough of a risk that he has to do something to stem the bleeding.  The big risk, as a fan, is that someone still sees a business worthy of investment, regardless of league position.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 19, 2018, 16:29:22
If only he could get it right on the pitch as well.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 19, 2018, 16:31:30
It's in black and white that he has taken money out of the business, to repay money he put into the business.  It is also black and white that the business still owes him shy of 2m.  What isn't 100% clear is how the money gets deployed, but the Balance Sheet does show a 2.5m increase in the value of Land and Buildings, which happened at least a year and a bit ago.  The only logical conclusion is the Training Ground site.

Overall, the Balance Sheet is much tidier than at any time in recent memory.

We still have 2m of debt to be paid to the club, so there is enough coming down the pipeline to cover any current liabilities and a bit more to repay Power some of the remainder.

The Debenture, from memory, is due on sale of the business - he's probably got the business close to a point where he'd be able to get a sale price sufficient to cover that.

The one unknown is the impact the decline in the league position, and potentially income, could have.  I'd like to think it's enough of a risk that he has to do something to stem the bleeding.  The big risk, as a fan, is that someone still sees a business worthy of investment, regardless of league position.

I guess that appointing Wellens was an attempt to "stem the bleeding"


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 19, 2018, 16:32:39
Quite often one follows the other. But it's sailing a bit close to wind in the meantime.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, November 19, 2018, 17:36:09
I guess that appointing Wellens was an attempt to "stem the bleeding"

you can't give Wellens a free couple of games and then after 1 use it against him.

you couldn't even give a prediction but seem to revel in the loss like you did really know it was coming all along.

We have to turn a corner soon before it does start to get desperate. he had his major fuck up first game. let's see a response then re-visit


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: DV Canio on Monday, November 19, 2018, 18:55:08
Iíd rather be non league

Glad youíve finally admitted it


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 19, 2018, 19:38:05
you can't give Wellens a free couple of games and then after 1 use it against him.

you couldn't even give a prediction but seem to revel in the loss like you did really know it was coming all along.

We have to turn a corner soon before it does start to get desperate. he had his major fuck up first game. let's see a response then re-visit

I've really no idea what you're on about.... but will try and pick a way through. Rob made the point about Power getting concerned about the declining league position, causing him "to stem the bleeding" I suggested that Wellens could be his answer to that.

If the second line refers to Saturday.... I said too many imponderables to make a call then listed a few. I had no idea.... having no idea why would I then want to say we'll do this or that?  Makes no sense.

I'm fairly confident I said that Wellens got Sat and PV as free shots...and then we'll start needing to see that he's understanding the squad as we'll have 10 or so games before anything can happen in the window.

As for turning corners.... yes it would be a good idea and if we could find say 3 wins and a couple of draws in those 10 games, it would keep us above the drop line.... anything less and it will be tenuous. To provide context the last 10 have provided 2 wins and 3 draws.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: pauld on Monday, November 19, 2018, 20:13:33
Glad youíve finally admitted it
That's some of the worst selective quoting I've seen in ages, you know full well that isn't what Reg said or meant.For the record, here's the full quote:
I've always backed the idea of sustainability, and us having a natural sort of position in the pecking order, but if we are to be non league as a result, I'd rather be non league as a Trust run club.


Title: Re: FA Cup draw
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Monday, November 19, 2018, 20:25:01
That's some of the worst selective quoting I've seen in ages, you know full well that isn't what Reg said or meant.For the record, here's the full quote:
I think he may have got that Paul  :D