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We are number 20.

The draw takes place today live on ITV1 at 5:40pm.

Here's the full list.

1   Middlesbrough      
2   Nottingham Forest   or   Leicester City
3   Manchester City   or   Manchester United
4   Dagenham & Redbridge   or   Millwall
5   Crawley Town      
6   Notts County      
7   Aston Villa      
8   Tottenham Hotspur      
9   Sheffield Wednesday   or   West Ham United
10   Franchise   or   Queens Park Rangers
11   Hull City      
12   Southampton      
13   Brighton & Hove Albion   or   Wrexham
14   Fulham      
15   Birmingham City   or   Wolverhampton Wanderers
16   Norwich City      
17   Arsenal   or   Leeds United
18   Derby County      
19   Blackpool      
20   Swindon Town      
21   Swansea City      
22   Macclesfield Town   or   Bolton Wanderers
23   Newcastle United      
24   Everton      
25   Sheffield United      
26   Liverpool      
27   Stoke City      
28   Chelsea   or   Portsmouth
29   Watford      
30   Peterborough United   or   Sunderland
31   West Bromwich Albion      
32   Stevenage   

Anyone at home or a top 6 Premiership side away please :)   

I fancy Arsenal away. Easy to get to, a day on the piss and I would guess cheap tickets as they would be home to a div4 team.

Arsenal/Spurs away ideally - if not, united or city

After my success in starting the FA Cup Third Round Draw thread, you should have let me have a crack at this one, surely!   ;)

I'm counting down the hours to 5.45pm already.  Haven't felt (or had cause to feel) this way for years about the Cup.

North-West Premier League team away please.

  There's still more shit in that hat than good....the presence of Stevenage and Crawley is a worry, anybody but either of those please.

i predict Stoke at home

bet we get shef utd away

Here's a thought, why don't we hope for a game we can win.

As I walked out the ground I said Notts co away - someone else has mentioned it so thats it. Ritchie up against Sheehan - ding dong.

Hope so  :wotjump:

Surely after yesterday anything is possible .....

Poxford, Shitty or the Gas would have been good - ooops can't have it all can we?

 :clap:

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I don't care, I am sure that whoever we get we can turn them over anyway.

Its the luck of the draw!

For me it has to be 1) a team who traditionally play in blue n White downstripes and who we are underdogs against. Shame hudds Colchester and Wigan are all out. R there others who fit the criteria still in??

Bayern Munich away Sunday lunchtime please. Flight back from skiing that day. At least I won't miss Southend away now.

Brighton?

Think we need to put this into perspective. Great win yesterday against Premiership opposition. However, it was poor Premiership opposition who dominated possession but couldn't do anything with it. Don't think we would do the same to the likes of Stoke, Fulham, WBA etc.

So, anyone at home please, but preferably someone we can beat so that we can progress as far as possible and fill the County Ground coffers.

Please, not Notts County away  :no:

Sorry Ardiles, you can lambast me after we're drawn against Crawley away ;)

No but Notts County home would be good, we can beat them and get a plum tie next round!

i'm not fussed about who we get, i'm just enjoying the ride. I think we potentilly could beat anyone except maybe the top four in the prem.

I would normally be looking for a winnable game ie Someone we can beat at home. However, I think the Tinpot trophy is more important for once, (We can actually win that) so lets have a moneyspinner away

Basically, the general consensus is.. Either a very winnable home tie. Or a plum-tie away.

What about Reading?   ;)

A friend of mine is going to Arsenal v Leeds on Monday(Leeds fan)the ticket for Leeds fans cost £40 :eek:

So dont expect them to be that cheap.

A decent winnable game so we can get as far as possible in the competition or an away tie at one of the top four (or Villa for geographical purposes)

London Premiership side away please.

It's going to be Blackpool or Derby  :cry:

We all know what we want in the draw as mentioned above, a winnable home tie or a money spinning away tie at the big 4/5.

What I feel we dont need is an away tie at a fairly unglamourous Championship or lower Premier League side a long way away with little chance of progressing, such as Middlesborough, Blackpool or Norwich.

I've a feeling we'll get Everton.

Bolton at home please.

If Man Utd don't win this game, I think their season is done.

Amazing red card. Magera would have been off for the same tackle yesterday.

It's going to be Spurs at home.




FACT!

It was a shocking decision to be honest.

But I think the ref has realised his mistake, as he seems to be giving Man City the benefit of the doubt on 50/50 decisions now.

Have to say I would piss myself if Man City could get a draw out of this

Let's hope they don't set fire to anything, or turn up in Pyjamas this time if it is :)

And without Hoddle, Ardiles and Villa in the team! :D

We will get Newcastle at the County Ground.

Blackpool away so Town fans can have a messy weekend and it will practice for the Morecambe game away!!

Selfishness from me as always.

Newcastle or Sunderland away.

Middlesbrough won't be all that expensive either.

So after that result, Swindon have made it further in the cup than the holders and premier league leaders. Sounds good when you say it like that  :D

Premier League at home please, loved the atmosphere on saturday would loved to have another day like that. I'd settle for away at Old trafford I guess.

I'll never find Middlesborough an attractive match

I think it's the name: Middlesborough. Not Brilliantborough or Fantasticborough, but Middlesbrorough. Similar to Averageborough

Ha! Although I didn't say it would be attractive.

When I first moved up to the North East I went to a Middlesbrough game. It was around the time Middlesbrough was voted the worst place in England or something like that (it is pretty grim).

The away fans were duly chanting "Worst town in England, you've got the worse town in England, worst town in EEEEEEngland, you've got the worst town in England" before falling in to that world famous Riverside silence.

...and then one irate Boro fan stood up and screamed "IT'S A BOROUGH NOT A TOWN YOU STUPID FUCKING SOUTHERN TWATS!" which was welcomed by a chortles and applauds from both sides.

It amuses me to this day.

Football with no commentary - a new innovation from ITV.

And an improvement, always amazes me with digital technology that there is never a 'commentator button'

There used to be with BBC - TV Commentator, 5 Live or just crowd.

when is the fourth round played?

Been back at uni an hour, sense I'll be booking a weekend home on the train at about 5:45...

Mat utd at home please. or a winnable tie.

28th January is the 4th round.

I think its the same weekend as Southend away

My nephew's christening is on the Sunday. I hope we don't land a plum tie and the game gets moved.

Meh, its only a Christening. Sometimes football is more important than God.

Winnable tie please, and a big club in the 5th

Arsenal away please. Wont cost £40 a ticket leefer.
We've had our glory home tie and won, so a day out at a top club will be great for the fans. The emirates would be great for a town day out.
If we get a prem side i think we will be certs for a live showing on tv

At least it'll be an ideal excuse for a rendition of "in 1969..."

I dont care what it would cost i would go,all i am saying is it wont be cheap...would love Arsenal home or away....though for me personally i would rather Spurs.

I'm with you, I think.  While I would love to see us go to the 5th Round (or beyond!), I'm not sure it would help with the promotion drive when we're going to need to put together some impressive runs in the League in the coming months.  I don't know...I'm torn.  The Wigan win and a decent 4th Round tie will do me this year.

spurs away, one of the few grounds i haven't been to....

Arsenal would cut their prices for a cup tie with us like they do in the carling cup. Dunno why your mate paid £40 when they aint even that for league games?

What about West Ham home or away? Or should we save that for the Final?


Oh dear ... 2 minutes later Sheffield Wednesday score in the 88th minute. Maybe next year.

Wednesday are winning sooooo.....

1-0 down with a couple of mins to go so unlikely. Maybe next year!

My version of the commentators curse :-/

We'll probably draw Wednesday now!

Which font are you typing ?

Nah we'll draw on Tuesday.

Although a dull draw, it would be good to show Danny Wilson what we're all about nowadays.

I'm expecting a damb squib. Either Crawley or Southampton away.

Miserable sod. Probably right though.

any of the top 4 in the premier league home or away for me!

Umm. Think we may struggle to draw Man City.

Big team away, any other team at home.

We rarely get the 'dream' draw.

Just get on with it, don't they realise we've been waiting since 1996 for this draw

Last time was Man U in the League Cup. A great day out that was.

White Hart Lane, Old Trafford or the Emirates please. Or a home tie.

Spurs away pleeeease.

wouldn't mind villa at home, we might have a good chance of getting through to round 5, villa have had a shite season

It must really fucking hurt Jim Rosenthal knowing we are still in the FA cup and Pox arent :D

I'm feeling strangely nervous...  ???

There goes all my hope :)

Liverpool vs. Manchester United  ::)

Oh well.

Fucking shite draw.

Bugger

Shit draw.

Another crap one

Foret or leicester

Great.......

Probably Leicester, another team in blue

We've played them in recent years in the league so it's rubbish in that respect.

Boo. And away too.

Shit draw.

I'll go if it's at Forest, wont bother if leicester though.

Poor... We'll have to take one of the big teams in Round 5!

shitty draw but rather get to wembley playing the dross ""WERE ON OUR WAY TO WEMBLEY"

 :(

Bit of an anti-climax.

Somebody's going to a Christening...

What a shit fucking draw.

I fancy Leicester away. New ground.

Oh well,i have a family meal that day for a birthday so i am hoping we get a slot on the box on the Friday or Sunday....cannot see it though.

We always get shit draws.

Would rather it was Forest, never been there before.

yawnsville

Probably a similar reaction after the draw with Wigan, and that was a pretty good day.

Could have been Crawley/Stevenage/Notts County

Think its winnable.

Theyve both had shit seasons

we were all moaning about drawing wigan and look what happend there, i think its a winnable game and if we win that were into round 5 and that earns the club more cash which is always a bonus COYRS!!!!!!!

Hope we get Forest, nicer stadium & I reckon we'll take a good following there.
Leicester have spent mega bucks & probably are the better team.. a trip to the crisp bowl is hardly exciting is it

Good draw for our friends living in the East Midlands.

Definitely winnable and I'll still go, but it could have been sooooo much more interesting.

Could be worse...could've be Hull.

On the plus side, both Forest and Leicester fans at work.

I can see it now... 1-1 draw away then beat them in replay at home. This is a minor diversion - we will get that plum tie just not this round  ;D

Upside is Leicester's a new ground - and at least they're more generous about us...

http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/78946-fa-cup-4th-round/

...than Notts Forest

http://www.forestforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=30041

Agreed.

If its forest, hooters!

Well that was pretty meh!

At least it will be less of a distraction to the players than if we'd got Man U or Liverpool.

Not been to the Walkers so may go if Leicester get through.

Both of them seem to think that if they get through, they will comfortably beat us, reckon they could  be in for bit of a shock.

"Well f**k them never liked Swindon arrogant lot. " - A Leicester fan.

:D

We've got enough quality and fitness levels to give them a hell of a go.

Both teams have an eye on the league for different reasons.

Agreed, just read subsequent comments on Leicester's site


And they called us arrogant...

It'll be Leicester for you guys then, we've got more chance of signing Lionel Messi than winning at Fester! Should a miracle happen though, and you want any info on Nottingham feel free to ask, oh, and ignore that Forest Forum, we're all still pissed off at the owner/CEO/results etc etc!

Te he. Hello Foxes fans....(cross linked threads)

Oh, and it's now called the King Power Stadium rather than the Crisp Bowl. Apparently.

Leicester fans reading this, Steve Walsh is a cunt :D

And so is Joachim.

Yeah apparently we're supposed to know that...funnily enough for a 'tin pot' club like ourselves we've managed to keep a proper traditional stadium name and not change it every season on a whim

It is a shit draw as it's not a massive team whoever gets through their replay. It won't sell alot in their ends unless they do some kind of reduced deal for the game but i'm sure we will take a decent following. On the plus side we do have a chance against either of them. They will be favs, but i'm sure we will at least give a good account of ourselves and who knows we might just spring another surprise.

Can't wait to stick a tenner on Leicester 3-4 Town.

The worst thing is that they probably won't be resting many of their first team. Which makes it a bit harder. Not impossible though.

Franchise got chelsea.

That shithole will be full for a change then

Not too bad a draw really, whichever side we get it is winnable, got a score to settle with Forest, also not been to Leicester's new ground and they play in Blue....anyone else see a pattern emerging here

And waste a tenner! under Hoddle we couldnt defend, we wont let in 3 goals that either of those!

Poor draw IMO, would have been nice to get a top 4 prem side but the draw is never kind to us although we've beaten Udders, Col U and Wigan...has to be Leicester for me, continue the superstition of blue and white kits & a ground I haven't been to!

Why, what've we done to you?

They wont get through :D

7-1....

dicked us 7-1 I guess

Was going to say that myself, they are already celebrating getting to round 5, oh dear  ;)

I'm sorry boys & girls. WHAT AN ABSOLUTE LET DOWN. Been like an expectant father all day.

7-1. That's all we need to say. I'm not sure what was worse, the scoreline, or the fact we had Trevor Benjamin up front...

They had 19k at the dump yesterday.

Dont get excited, for a new stadium it's pretty crap, unless that is they've improved the toilets and catering. Just explained to the wife why it's crap. We've played them both recently, not on Tv, low attendance (no cash) and we'll play really well and lose to either by an 88th minute goal.

Lets look on the bright side.

How would we have felt if we drew Hull away ? Never want to go back to the knuckle dragging dumb fuckers place again if I can help it. Even gives Luton a running for the "Best" Town in Britain award.

Leicester or Forest - Not many miles away and another good day out. The only problem is if we escape we a draw and these fixtures keep piling up.
Wanted a great fat pay day and if we have to go out, then go out at Manchester Utd or The Bin Dippers (Liverpool).

Its a winnable tie either way, and if we progrees into round 5, then more chance of a big team, and more money! Kerching

meh, two teams we've played in the league within the last few years.

Would prefer Nottm Forest purely because they appear to be the shitter of the two.

I hope we smash either set of the brummie shits now. (watch them bite to that)

We've already beaten better sides than them this season.

Most of us don't expect to win at The King Prawn / Crisp Bowl Stadium, let alone beat you 'IF' we get through, but you guys were shocking that day, first home game since we got rid of Megson too!

I won't look at their forums. How many times have the Forest/Leicester fans mentioned fascism? I bet it's quite a few.

There is another advantage to this draw, we can now re-focus on the league (and JPT) and not get sidetracked into daydreaming about a big tie.

WE were shocking? You let Trevor Benjamin score.

?

I think fans of both clubs will underestimate us. They should look at who we have beaten so far to get where we are. We will not be rolling over to be tickled,that is for sure. Their manager will give us the respect we are due no doubt at all.
Both are proper football clubs but not glory ties. They wont be doing cartwheels at getting us, like we aint them.

Paolo Di Canio. And to be fair it has been mentioned a few times on one of the forums (maybe its Leicester).

yeah, what sort of fucking awful shit team would let Trevor fucking Benjamin score past them

(us)

Leicester & Forest are both still averaging 20k+ gates on average, no it wont be on TV but we should take a healthy following to either of 3k+ and possibly more if we are already at Wembley by then in the JPT.

The Di Canio effect will also maybe raise the home support a little too, so I would expect both to be 25k crowds.

But still a shite draw none the less.

 :rofl2:

Not seen it on any of ours mate?

Indeed, neither teams are "small", both a lot bigger than Wigan. Its just we played them both not too long ago. And they aren't top 6 prem teams.

Not the draw we all hoped for but there are positives. It's quite winnable. If we can beat Wigan we can beat a bottom half Championship team. We've already beaten Bristol City away this season. It can be done. And as Batch says at least the players won't be dreaming of the big tie for at least another few weeks.

The big tie is Tuesday, let's hope the lads can concentrate on that or now!

COYR

We beat Shitty at a canter (away), ended 'Udders run and looked comfortable against Wigan.

Methinks Leicester and Forest fans a being a tad over confident.

Having read both of their forums comments they do both think we will be pretty much a walkover to the 5th round.

Suckers.

http://www.forestforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=30041&page=3



http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/78946-fa-cup-4th-round/


2-1 Forest

Some reasonable posters on that Leicester forum,plus the odd spacker like this moron.

"If any swindon fans reading this. honestly i can see why your moaning but your no so called big team either. oh yeah and **** off from here. twats"

Thick cunt....

Only 1 comment FFS, from our most popular forum!

To be fair Arriba, Swindon really isn't a glamour tie for them either is it.

Let's hope their players feel the same way. Play like we did against Wigan and Huddersfield and we will win.

Yeah, could have sworn there were more. Sorry.

I know that and have said as much earlier in the thread.

Paolo had them back in training today in preparation for Tuesday. I don't think PdC will let them get ahead of themselves.

Shit draw....a bit deflated after yesterday...im hoping Forest can pull something out of the bag and turn Leicester City over.

My son's best mate at school is a forest fan so he is hoping we end up with them.

I don't really care which one gets through, both are reasonably close for us, & have been away to both in recent seasons.

Both of them will be favourites to beat us, but I think we have a chance of an upset against either.

Must have missed it. I though the poster you quoted was merely saying the same. OK the "fuck off" was a bit uncalled for..

the upsides are :

a) it's not hull away
b) it's not too far
c) it is winnable/drawable
d) some people may go to this as their 'away day' rather than oxford leaving some tickets available (clasping at straws..)

we've moaned about every round so far and it hasn't gone too badly

I'm happy with this draw. Not too far to travel and we should take a few. Both teams are beatable but could show us up as well. Funnilly enough there will be more attention on this tie than if they'd drawn anyone outside the Prem other than County. Welcome to the DiCanio circus.
If they beat us then it will expected. if they don't then it will be pretty high profile.
I'm looking forward to it. Not been to Forest and not been to Leicesters crisp bowl - can still remember that cunt Kelvin morton from my trips there.

Leicester fans are so far up their own arses.  They spent a shit load of money but have acheived fuck all.  Whoever we get we won't show any fear because it's a win win situation for us being the undedogs. Personally i'd prefer forest rather than a trip to a dull mundane souless lego made stadium like Leicesters.  

Leicester look as though they're signed Billy Sharp on £28k a week.

That's his career up the shitter then.

Maybe he is already cup-tied?

 :nod:

Leicester's got more money than sense...now. Of course it was thanks to Leicester that the FL introduced the 10 point deduction after they went into admin just after their new Crisp Bowl was built, meaning they paid very little for their new ground via the CVA.

I don't think he played for Doncaster yesterday mate

 Bizarrely (Bogus Dave note), we've never played Leicester in either of the major cups.  Whereas we've been to Forest at least a couple of times since I've been going.

 Don't think we've ever won at the City Ground....so maybe Leicester would be the better prospect.

Won't really matter if Forest win the replay . . .

Only Forest v Swindon cup ties I can think of are donkeys years ago. 1978 and 1967?

I might go if flights aren't extortionate! Which is the better city to have a night out? Nottingham I assume?

Correct

That's right....67 game went to the 3rd match at Villa Park, crowd of over 50,000. 78 game was at the start of the Clough reign, they were very good..

Ask ralphy, champagne and dances aplenty ;)

From a Leicester fan: "Beggars (Swindon) can't be choosers. They'll be lucky if they ever play a club as big as us in the league in the next 5 years."

Have they forgotten we were in the same division a few years ago? Yes, they're a big club, but come on...

Thinking of going to this whoever we end up with. I missed the Wigan game because of work!

Joke really seeing as they are not even through yet.

Yep. And arguably, on paper they had an easier draw than us in R3!

Like I said their fans are so far up their own arses after spending a bit of money.  If we do go through I hope we beat them would be great to bring them down to earth again.  If we lose then no biggie afterall we're the underdogs and the pressure will be on them to win especially at home.

:) Hahaha. This was always designed to wind readers up.

Ah there's always down-on-their-luck-because-they-overspent bigger teams in the 3rd Tier these. If we go up next season we could be facing Forest again or Coventry City.

I've not been to whatever the Ricoh is called now.

Ditto

I think you're thinking of Coventry

Yeah, I was replying to Costanza but didn't quote. Reassuringly the Ricoh is still called the Ricoh.

Leicester used to play at the crisp bowl they now play at the nut (KP) bowl.  I think they clearly like piss flavoured snacks.

Don't care who we play both are nothing teams who we could beat with our under 16s.

Would like it to be Forest who go through as half of my family are Forest season ticket holders. They are not very confident but I think they will sneak through as they are due a bit of luck. I'll probably stay in Nottingham that weekend either way.

You aren't the person who got engaged at the 7-1 game are you?

That 7-1 is still my favourite away day.

No I remember that though, it was as cringe worthy as iffy's suit. Me and my lad enjoyed the game but not having to spend the weekend in a house full of Forest fans !

I don't think the Forest fans knew what to do when we celebrated our goal.
If I remember rightly we were 6-0 down at the time.

Think your right.I Remember our fans chanting " easy,easy....." to be fair the Forest fans who I spoke to that evening said the Swindon fans were brilliant considering. We did beat them in our home game though 2-1 think they scored all three goals?

Ha yeah something like that. I wonder if our players thought "sarcastic pricks"? I hope so.

and yeah Notts you remember correctly. It was an horrendous day weather wise.

would imagine most of our players just wanted to get off the pitch and go and join Iffil in the bar! you could see he was never going to last the half as Tyson was taking the piss time after time.

Yeah it was horrific viewing... I think? I was absolutely shit faced that day.

At the moment Forest would defiantly be beatable at their place. The City ground has nearly always been their fortress but this season nothing is going right for them and if they do knock out Leicester we could go there and cause another upset, or at least keep it below seven. Think Leicester would be much more difficult and a less glamourous tie for us.

From what I've read there were more Leicester fans than Forest fans at the game on Saturday, so I don't imagine they would get many if we played them.

I just wish this game were at home.

That 7-1 was the main event on my stag weekend.  About 20 of us there that day...and for about 13 or 14, it was the first (and last) time they'd been to a Swindon game.

Some of them still talk about the game to this day.  Bastards.   :)

8000 Leicester, just over 10000 Forest, were we not so fed up with the way we're being ran there'd have been 5000 Leicester and over 20000 Forest.

If we play you you'll get as many tickets as you want / need.

If Notts County go through as expected and Forest do beat Leicester one of the 4th round games will have to be moved from the Saturday.

Notts are already through, and away to Stevenage

Sorry Yorks, all the excitement and all that !  :-[

Leicester have released their ticket info for cup replay with notts, £20 per adult with forest taking up the full 15% allocation.
http://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10308~2571437,00.html
Should have a good chance of taking a decent following to either club.

Forest or Leicester may not be the huge draw that we expected but at least it doesn't become a big distraction than say a top Premier club. With the JPT games against Barnet and trying to push on for 3rd place hopefully PdC can get the boys focussed on the next game in front of them.

February is looking a big month with games against Burton, Crawley, Shrewsbury and the Barnet 2nd leg who are around us and we will be pretty much be playing Saturday/Tuesday. Beginning of March with Oxford and Cheltenham will mean the next 6-8 weeks will go a long way to sorting out our season

Flights booked. Now to wait and see the destination, be it Nottingham or Leicester.

Incidentally, which is easier to get to on the train from London? And how far is Nottingham from Leicester?

Both just as easy, very regular direct trains from St.Pancras, distance between the two cities - about 30 miles.

Thanks Mr Forest. From the people I have spoken to they have been very complimentary on the Nottingham night life so even if we play Leicester, may still go out and stay in Nottingham.

I would, Leicester is a very poor night out, Nottingham on the other hand is overran with excellent bars, pubs and clubs.

Better curry in Leicester though ;)

Will I require a gun? ;)

or knife

and women. They are a friendly lot really so you shouldn't need to be armed.

Don't bring a knife to a gunfight!

You beat me to it - I was going to suggest a plentiful supply of condoms!

haha! Going with the missus anyway so will only be window shopping! :)

Don't forget your shades then, 8)

Just seen Leicester have agreed a fee for Sharp after activating a clause in his contract.

Nottingham is the only place ive ever been to where the is a strip club, on its own, in the middle of nowhere.

Eh ralphy

They have, he also isn't cup tied as he didn't play in the defeat at the weekend for Doncaster.

is that the black orchid Tans ? It has a revolving dance floor which is amusing trying to find your table once you get off especially after a skin full !

Should of said had a revolving floor as It closed down several years ago.

That'll ruin tans plans a bit.

Didn't mean to rhyme that  :D

Cant remember mate, i was fucking hammered. All i remember was that it was on the.industrial estate in the middle of nowhere!

This was last time we played forest so 2007 or 2008

That will be it, had restaurants up stairs and was the in place to be seen a few years back.

It was a shithole

When was it that Ralphy ended up at east Midlands airport - Walsall 2008?

8)

Leicester v Forest is now live on ESPN on Tuesday, 7.30pm kick-off, so you can now get the chance to see who you'll play

I'd have it as pre 2008, well at least pre credit crunch 2008. That was classic stuff, since the recession behaviour has got a lot more sensible...and it's subsequent reporting on the TEF.

Leicester then.  ;)

Fully agree