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Title: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, May 22, 2011, 20:00:51
Discuss.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Sunday, May 22, 2011, 20:02:25
Science is just trying to do its best.

But it does put planes in the sky, man on the moon, makes cars work and keeps cheese cold.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Spencer_White on Sunday, May 22, 2011, 20:03:46
There is good science and bad science.

Bad science is when you ignore evidence in order to come to the outcome you want. Such as tabacco companies funding research on the effects of smoking.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: König on Sunday, May 22, 2011, 20:04:45
Science is just trying to do its best.

But it does put planes in the sky, man on the moon, makes cars work and keeps cheese cold.

Thank Fuck for science!

I love science, although like most things i'd find it a lot more interesting if i didn't have to learn lots about it and then get examined on it!


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Gnasher on Sunday, May 22, 2011, 20:17:56
Having spent 16 years in the Research Councils, good and bad. Genetic modification worries me but finding a cure for cancer can only be a good thing.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: cheltred69 on Sunday, May 22, 2011, 20:35:01
I agree with Spencer - science is generally good but like in any other field there are self-serving rogues who use it wrongly and  turn it bad.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, May 22, 2011, 20:50:44
There's also weird science


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: reeves4england on Sunday, May 22, 2011, 21:00:17
As others have said, there are two sides to it.

BR has pointed out some great advantages... and you can't overlook the fact that scientific research has brought about revolutionary farming techniques, sophisticated medicine and medicinal practices and much much more.

Unfortunately, it also brought us things like guns and the atomic bomb.

The key to 'good science' is how you finance, direct and regulate research - something that I don't think we'd ever get right, even outside of a capitalist world system.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, May 22, 2011, 21:03:00
And pseudo-science


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Coca Fola on Sunday, May 22, 2011, 21:06:19
Both.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 22, 2011, 21:10:43
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Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: axs on Sunday, May 22, 2011, 21:21:31
What is science? Everything, that's what.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: LucienSanchez on Sunday, May 22, 2011, 21:22:23
Science is amazing, fascinating, and bloody brilliant


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Kinky Tom on Sunday, May 22, 2011, 21:23:15
i love science but don't understand how tony stark made a new element


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, May 22, 2011, 21:27:09
I don't understand it therefore it must be evil.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Barry Scott on Sunday, May 22, 2011, 21:28:30
i love science but don't understand how tony stark made a new element

With some large tubes that create a laser, some cable through his ceiling for power, a mirror and something triangle shaped to fire the laser at. Jeez... ::)


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Highland Robin on Sunday, May 22, 2011, 23:48:03
Science is amazing, and scientists are amazing people - speaking as someone who failed physics and chemistry.  But science evolves through the medium of human beings, and anything human beings get into (including religion) is liable to be compromised as well as to bring huge benefits.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: sheepshagger on Monday, May 23, 2011, 00:33:36
Ha ha I just watched Iron Man 2

I also don't know how he made his new element !!

Some cool shit science going on though !!!


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: thedarkprince on Monday, May 23, 2011, 07:03:31
Science is good because in the main it is always trying to disprove it's theories.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, May 23, 2011, 10:19:41
Having spent 16 years in the Research Councils, good and bad. Genetic modification worries me but finding a cure for cancer can only be a good thing.

I still work there now.... Who are you?


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Gnasher on Monday, May 23, 2011, 10:30:08
I still work there now.... Who are you?

Left 4 years ago. From BBSRC!


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, May 23, 2011, 10:51:41
Are you a fit girl then? That's where they all work.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Gnasher on Monday, May 23, 2011, 10:58:53
Are you a fit girl then? That's where they all work.

A not so fit bloke. Things improved on the bird front just as I left  :(


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, May 23, 2011, 14:01:02
You got unlucky then, it's like a fucking pick-your-own poon farm in there now :D


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Bewster on Monday, May 23, 2011, 14:06:18
I don't believe in science   :)


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, May 23, 2011, 14:19:49
You got unlucky then, it's like a fucking pick-your-own poon farm in there now :D

Keep your grubby mits off my sister...


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, May 23, 2011, 15:46:16
She is not my type mate. Besides, my new years resolution was not to get with any English girls this year and I haven't broken it yet.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 23, 2011, 20:02:23
Don't believe him Sam. He just PM'd me saying "sniff my fingers".


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, May 23, 2011, 20:25:22
Fair play, she's 7 months pregnant.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:00:05
Uncle Sam.

Oh wait, somebody else has grabbed that tag.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: leefer on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:08:45
I hate Science,i hated it at school and i hate it now.

Science is a man made word for stuff that happens as the universe wants it to happen,none of it is new,just newly discovered by man who then tends to fuck it all up by using sed science for short term gain.

Give me History any day,it is easier to understand,and is real. :)


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:10:19
History is science


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: leefer on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:12:56
History is science

Well that makes me fairly good at Science then Red :)


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:14:56
So, do you still hate science?


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: leefer on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:21:31
I did at School.

How the universe was made through the ages isn't history in my eyes,now if you want to know a bit about King Harold,s traitor of a brother Tostig and how he helped William conquer England than i could be your man.

Thats not to say i dont envy people who like and understand Science because i do.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:22:47
I think you have generalised science too much there Leefer.

Science is a massive subject. Some science is good. Some Science is bad.

Good science:

Science gave us electricity. And TV. And Computers.
Science gave us anaesthesia, penicillin and inoculations for smallpox.
Science gave us forensic evidence, from fingerprints to DNA.
Science gave us cars, planes and boats. And spaceships. Science still hasn't given us hover boards though.

Good School Science:
- Bunsen Burners.
- Electricity, especially lab packs.
- Dissecting things.

Boring School science:
- Biology (not including dissection)
- Chemistry theory.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:26:34
Ace looks like this one is starting to hot up nicely aswell.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:27:57
I did at School.

How the universe was made through the ages isn't history in my eyes,now if you want to know a bit about King Harold,s traitor of a brother Tostig and how he helped William conquer England than i could be your man.

Thats not to say i dont envy people who like and understand Science because i do.

Leefer

You drive trucks right? Trucks is science

Science isn't just about boffins with stupid hair saying stuff that nobody understands. Science is just about how stuff works.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:28:46
Trucks is science

And Cats is Nature!


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: leefer on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:29:39
I think you have generalised science too much there Leefer.

Science is a massive subject. Some science is good. Some Science is bad.

Good science:

Science gave us electricity. And TV. And Computers.
Science gave us anaesthesia, penicillin and inoculations for smallpox.
Science gave us forensic evidence, from fingerprints to DNA.
Science gave us cars, planes and boats. And spaceships. Science still hasn't given us hover boards though.

Cars,planes and boats are exactly the the science that will probably be the grand designs of future generations demise,may take a million years,but science will tell you that isn't that long in the grand scale of things ;)

But yes you are right,some man made science is incredible.
Splitting the Atom is another science that could come back to haunt us all,as i said,some science is good,others not so good in the wrong hands.
And yes i am generalising,didnt say it wasnt good just that i dont like it.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:30:03
Ace looks like this one is starting to hot up nicely aswell.

Did you have a delayed charge on this one?


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:32:53
Ha a slight one yes.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:35:12
And yes i am generalising,didnt say it wasnt good just that i dont like it.

Apologies, I thought you didn't see the benefits of science when you posted this

Science is a man made word for stuff that happens as the universe wants it to happen,none of it is new,just newly discovered by man who then tends to fuck it all up by using sed science for short term gain.

I hated History at school. I found it largely pointless and so quickly lost interest. We can learn from history, granted. But I didn't.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: König on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:36:19
I think you have generalised science too much there Leefer.

Science is a massive subject. Some science is good. Some Science is bad.

Good science:

Science gave us electricity. And TV. And Computers.
Science gave us anaesthesia, penicillin and inoculations for smallpox.
Science gave us forensic evidence, from fingerprints to DNA.
Science gave us cars, planes and boats. And spaceships. Science still hasn't given us hover boards though.

Good School Science:
- Bunsen Burners.
- Electricity, especially lab packs.
- Dissecting things.

Boring School science:
- Biology (not including dissection)
- Chemistry theory.


hey now you back off chemistry mister!


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:38:13
hey now you back off chemistry mister!

Back to your lab coat and safety goggles Tefal. Go dip your Litmus paper in something.

Clearly physics is the best mainstream science ;)


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: axs on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:45:13
Name one thing that isn't science.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:46:02
Faith, particularity Scientology.

:)


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: König on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:46:09
Back to your lab coat and safety goggles Tefal. Go dip your Litmus paper in something.

Clearly physics is the best mainstream science ;)

tchh litmus paper is so a-levels! I did enjoy physics actually was considering doing it for my degree instead, but then i realised theres only certain aspects of it that i find interesting (mainly quantum stuff) and other topics like magnetism would bore the tits off me!


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: leefer on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:48:18
Apologies, I thought you didn't see the benefits of science when you posted this

I hated History at school. I found it largely pointless and so quickly lost interest. We can learn from history, granted. But I didn't.

Any Science man has made available like vaccines etc to me is not science.

It has always been there,the make up of all vaccines is all natural and been on earth forever but has just taken us a while to find them and put all earths elements together as a vaccine.
Knowing how my lorry runs is a science to some but to me its just knowing how it works.
Now guessing how the earth evolved and how old rock is to the nearest millionth year is a kind of Science to me.
And lets not forget that the science that man made vaccines helped us with like the antibiotic is making man weaker as the years go by because the science that is our human body has been quick to become largely immune to them rendering them useless.
Thats not to say some simple Scientific realisations like people getting new cataracts for the eye is wonderfull because it is and of course organ transplant would have been laughed at 100 years ago,so yes of course science can be a wonderfull thing as well. :)


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:48:41
To be honest its all too difficult for me. Scientists are modern day witches (no offence!)

I'd have loved to take physics further, but didn't have the maths skills for it.



Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:51:20
Any Science man has made available like vaccines etc to me is not science.

It has always been there,

Gravity has always been there.

It's been there gzillions of years before life on Earth existed. But gravity is science


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: König on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:52:31
Any Science man has made available like vaccines etc to me is not science.

It has always been there,the make up of all vaccines is all natural and been on earth forever but has just taken us a while to find them and put all earths elements together as a vaccine.
Knowing how my lorry runs is a science to some but to me its just knowing how it works.
Now guessing how the earth evolved and how old rock is to the nearest millionth year is a kind of Science to me.
And lets not forget that the science that man made vaccines helped us with like the antibiotic is making man weaker as the years go by because the science that is our human body has been quick to become largely immune to them rendering them useless.
Thats not to say some simple Scientific realisations like people getting new cataracts for the eye is wonderfull because it is and of course organ transplant would have been laughed at 100 years ago,so yes of course science can be a wonderfull thing as well. :)

science is the future though, history is so...well, history! I think it's a science that people have been able to work out how things work in nature and then use them for useful things!
Don't get me wrong i enjoy history too, modern history though like the world wars etc, can't get too excited about all the different kings and whatnot though!


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 23, 2011, 21:55:47
Any Science man has made available like vaccines etc to me is not science.

But science is discovery through observation and experimentation (and litmus paper).

Take local lad Edward Jenner for example. He observed milk maids didn't get smallpox. And so he hypothesised that somehow the lesser strain of blisters protected them. He then proved his hypothesis through experimentation.

That there IS science (and a bit of history too). Maybe the smallpox vaccine was already naturally around in milk maids. But science realised this, developed a vaccine, tested a vaccine and made the world better.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: @MacPhlea on Monday, May 23, 2011, 22:02:01
It's a shame that the pharma companies choose to ditch cures and instead focus on developing treatments. There's no money in finding a cure but vaccines and treatments generate revenue. This is why people in science are bad in my eyes...


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: leefer on Monday, May 23, 2011, 22:11:44
It's a shame that the pharma companies choose to ditch cures and instead focus on developing treatments. There's no money in finding a cure but vaccines and treatments generate revenue. This is why people in science are bad in my eyes...


Good point.
The best medicine for most illness is better living and the way we think.
A secret study in the US gave 20,000 people pain killers which were in fact nothing more than flour and water,91% said the tablets made them feel better,all in the mind and the Chinese who are at the forefront of modern science(i think) are the best users of this kind of medicine.

But of course as people have said many man/woman made inventions and ideas have helped us greatly.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, May 23, 2011, 22:16:03
Back to your lab coat and safety goggles Tefal. Go dip your Litmus paper in something.

Clearly physics is the best mainstream science ;)

And physics is just applied chemistry :) Or is that the other way round? (Yes, I studied chemistry at A-level)

I like all science. It amazes me.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: axs on Monday, May 23, 2011, 22:30:45
Faith, particularity Scientology.

:)

It's chemical reactions in the brain. Or interactions between people - sociology, psychology. All science.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: london_red on Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 06:15:24
And physics is just applied chemistry :) Or is that the other way round? (Yes, I studied chemistry at A-level)

And they're both really maths at heart  :)


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 06:45:59
Name one thing that isn't science.

Studying the philosophy of science is interesting; some scientific anti realists might contend that the epistemology of leads to the idea that science isn't science.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: axs on Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 07:40:53
You missed a word out when you copied that sentence.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 08:37:20
Name one thing that isn't science.
Anal


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Gnasher on Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 09:12:56
A bloke approached me in Wood Street a few years ago and announced in a loud voice Alan Shearer, male or female?

Psychology is science.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 15:51:03
You missed a word out when you copied that sentence.

Bit early in the morning for coherent sentences....I once did some sort of study of the Popperian Theory of Scientific Knowledge......it made my head hurt.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: axs on Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 16:09:52
Bit early in the morning for coherent sentences....I once did some sort of study of the Popperian Theory of Scientific Knowledge......it made my head hurt.

Take a Nurofen and thank science.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: axs on Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 16:10:06
Anal

Well played.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 16:17:29
Take a Nurofen and thank science.

History tells me this would be 30 years too late.


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 17:32:26
Well played.

Surely that would be Biology?


Title: Re: Science. Good Or Bad
Post by: axs on Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 19:33:11
Surely that would be Biology?

Don't remember covering that at A level.