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Title: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 16:52:51
This is a genuine question because I don't actually know, even after numerous google searches.

Is it really because of something they did 2,000+ years ago? Is it because they is tight? Is it because they wear funny hats and beards?

Genuine question, why are the Jews hated so much?


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 16:53:44
Fuck it.

Could somebody please move this to general discussion.

Ta.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: Danjackson10 on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 16:54:42
Thats a bit of a tough one to answer really?


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 17:00:33
The muslims don't like them because they 'stole' their holy land.

Hitler didn't like them for no apparent reason.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 17:02:25
i dislike them because of herthab


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 17:06:07
I will try to explain as best I can.

Firstly there is this idea of 'original sin'.  That the Jews were resoponsible for the death of Jesus (who was Jewish, of course), they called for Barabas to be saved, not Jesus.  I believe this idea wasn't even suggested until about 500 years after Jesus' death.

Secondly, in many European countries Jews were banned from working in certain professions, whilst Christians were banned by the Bible from working in money lending, banking and so on.  So the Jews, naturally, became involved in professions they were not banned from.  Often Jews would only marry other Jews, keeping separate surnames, would dress differently.  In times of economic strife, those who lend money tend to do well, as the Jews therefore did.    It therefore became all too easy to hate an easily identifiable group, especially when economically times are tough.

I do not pretend to be any kind of authority on the subject, and I hope my views do not cause offence.  I believe what I have posted to be correct but am happy to stand corrected if anything I have said is incorrect.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 17:06:58
If I was ever going to convert to a religion I think going Jew would be pretty near the top of my list.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: leefer on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 17:17:43
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Why_Do_People_Hate_The_Jews.htm

This is a good read,when your in the mood.................very interesting.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 17:20:54
The only problem I have with them is the way Israel treats Palestinians. I'm not saying the Palestinians are blame less, but Israel are a far more powerful and (according them) legitimate country which for me makes their actions a lot worse. I honestly couldn't give a toss about; their hats, their beards, the whole religious thing, how frugal they are with their money, or anything else.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 17:24:56
The only problem I have with them is the way Israel treats Palestinians. I'm not saying the Palestinians are blame less, but Israel are a far more powerful and (according them) legitimate country which for me makes their actions a lot worse. I honestly couldn't give a toss about; their hats, their beards, the whole religious thing, how frugal they are with their money, or anything else.

This is a discussion about Jew's, not Isreali's.

There is a difference.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 17:33:21
The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 17:34:37
This is a discussion about Jew's, not Isreali's.

There is a difference.

Only to a degree. Israel is predominantly Jewish and you'll find the majority of Jews support the action of the Israeli state. In general, I just don't see how you can separate Israel and Jews - the way Israel treats Palestine is the way Jewish people treat Palestine. Anyway, as I said this is the only issue I have with them - wouldn't got as far as calling it hatred though. I'm guessing that would be anti-semetic and a crime.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 17:45:43
Only to a degree. Israel is predominantly Jewish and you'll find the majority of Jews support the action of the Israeli state. In general, I just don't see how you can separate Israel and Jews - the way Israel treats Palestine is the way Jewish people treat Palestine. Anyway, as I said this is the only issue I have with them - wouldn't got as far as calling it hatred though. I'm guessing that would be anti-semetic and a crime.

That is just prejudiced and does nothing to answer a 2,000+ year old question.


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i dislike them because of herthab

I like this the best and have no idea why, which is quit fitting actually.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: LucienSanchez on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 17:49:04
I went to school with a Jew, he was a complete weapon.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 17:53:03
I will try to explain as best I can.

Firstly there is this idea of 'original sin'.  That the Jews were resoponsible for the death of Jesus (who was Jewish, of course), they called for Barabas to be saved, not Jesus.  I believe this idea wasn't even suggested until about 500 years after Jesus' death.

Secondly, in many European countries Jews were banned from working in certain professions, whilst Christians were banned by the Bible from working in money lending, banking and so on.  So the Jews, naturally, became involved in professions they were not banned from.  Often Jews would only marry other Jews, keeping separate surnames, would dress differently.  In times of economic strife, those who lend money tend to do well, as the Jews therefore did.    It therefore became all too easy to hate an easily identifiable group, especially when economically times are tough.

I do not pretend to be any kind of authority on the subject, and I hope my views do not cause offence.  I believe what I have posted to be correct but am happy to stand corrected if anything I have said is incorrect.
I think you've highlighted one of the main reasons. There are many cases across Europe where Jews were marginalised from "Christian" society, ended up going into moneylending, and made a tidy life for themselves whilst everybody else struggled.

Some may have hated the Jews for the whole death of Jesus business, but I'm not sure that is or ever was a particularly large force behind anti-Semitism. Although this isn't "original sin", that term refers instead to the Adam and Eve stuff


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 17:56:19
I have never actually met a Jew I like, thats not anti semitic thats just a fact.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 18:22:31
I have never actually met a Jew I like, thats not anti semitic thats just a fact.

 Like all religions, you get a range from fundamentalist crackpots, through to weddings and funeral types.  I've known quite a few of the latter down the years and always found them great company and a right good laugh.  Mostly from when I lived in North London and used to go and watch the Yids.  Nevertheless I wouldn't have much in common with the zealots.  They also produce some stunningly attractive birds, which is always a good thing.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: Spencer_White on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 18:33:22
That ascent of money program on C4 a couple of months back was good.

Just showed how much the power in Western Europe was swayed by the money men. Which, in particular meant a few Jewish families who had become very wealthy through centuries of money lending.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 18:54:42
I think you've highlighted one of the main reasons. There are many cases across Europe where Jews were marginalised from "Christian" society, ended up going into moneylending, and made a tidy life for themselves whilst everybody else struggled.

Some may have hated the Jews for the whole death of Jesus business, but I'm not sure that is or ever was a particularly large force behind anti-Semitism. Although this isn't "original sin", that term refers instead to the Adam and Eve stuff

Re blame for the death of Jesus, you may be right, but it certainly didn't help.  I also thought there was a term for this, of course I knew it wasn't original sin, sorry, my mistake. :-[


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 19:10:21
I don't think i know any jewish people. At least openly jewish


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: Rich Pullen on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 19:18:41
There's quite a large Jewish community up here - especially in Gateshead. That's all I gots to say about that.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 19:24:23
I don't think i know any jewish people. At least openly jewish

You mean there are some that haven't come out of the closet yet?



Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 19:29:35
Secret Jews. Who knows how many there really are?


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: A Gent Orange on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 19:37:11
If the question is about political anti-Semitism then that is a whole different thing. The Jews have historically provided an easily identifiable and often geographically focused community to scapegoat for 'extremist' groups to rail against easily in heterogeneous Europe. Sometimes the anger has been based on biblical or economic factors but quite often the Jews of Europe were the latest wave of immigrants to arrive and so targeted for that being exactly that - See coming over here and taking our jobs. European history is littered with massacres of Jews – Britain in the 12th century as well as France and even Spain. (I think, I’m a bit sketchy on some of the dates)

The Russian’s have a special word for it – pogrom. It has become a generic but really it means a riot aimed at Jews. And it was often used politically by the Tsars as a way of focussing public anger on a minority, instead of them. The same tactics were also used against the left across Europe hinting at Jewish intellectuals being behind many leftist governments. See Hitler, A.

In British history, the British Union of Fascists used anti-Semitic rhetoric in the 1930s although there is (relatively) little sign of leader and toff Sir Oswald Mosley personally believing much of it – more that it was so ingrained in the membership and their target audience of the urban poor and disengaged. Now we see the same thing with Griffin and all his little wizards but the targets change (although I’m sure if you dig deep enough he would still blame the global Jewish conspiracy for the fact that he is a gammy-eyed prick).

Or summit like that.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 19:41:15
http://books.google.com/books?id=Nr5MFIbs9PIC&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=blame+jews+for+crucifixion&source=bl&ots=PflIG1aglT&sig=_vmb7r1bE5P1CUdxkKNnwdYNZpQ&hl=en&ei=kPQ3SrS2N5WxjAeY5cSCDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#PPA18,M1

Page 18-19 kind of sums up what Donkey was saying really


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: herthab on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 19:45:18
I think it's jealousy


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: yeo on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 19:48:05
Its mostly the Big Noses.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 23:20:39
They aren't really that hated, just mocked a lot in modern pop culture. I know a few jews and they're pretty friendly.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 06:22:17
They aren't really that hated, just mocked a lot in modern pop culture. I know a few jews and they're pretty friendly.

don't be fooled


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: nevillew on Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 07:14:35
I went to school with a Jew, he was a complete weapon.

Well, not completely complete I assume.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: Foggy on Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 07:39:08
Blessed are the cheese makers


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: Phil_S on Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 08:46:07
I don't know a lot about the Jewish religion, but it is basically the same as christianity BC I would think. The reasons why some dislike/ hate them are already covered & are basically because they are percieved to be different thereby making a handy scapegoat for any problems that can be found to blame on them.
Looking at history I would say that their religion is a darn sight more peaceful than Islam, & allows them to integrate pretty well into general society.
There is little doubt that they have been persecuted over the centuries with no valid reason, & one reason I think is that they haven't had a state of their own to live in, so have had to live in countries where another religion dominates.
I have a great deal of sympathy for Israel the state, and all they have ever done is defend them selves. People forget that the occupation of the West bank & Gaza only took place because the Arab states tried to wipe Israel off of the map.
Whilst I have some sympathy towards the Palestinians too, you just have to look at some of the crackpot countries that back their "cause",  to lose a lot of that.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: Spy on Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 09:09:53
I don't know a lot about the Jewish religion, but it is basically the same as christianity BC I would think.

 :soapy tit wank: Stop and think about that a sec. Until Jesus came there was no religion of Christianity as Christians follow the teachings of Christ. Christianity evolved from Judaism, although lots of Jews didn't convert to Christianity so we still have Jews today.


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: Phil_S on Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 09:13:19
:soapy tit wank: Stop and think about that a sec. Until Jesus came there was no religion of Christianity as Christians follow the teachings of Christ. Christianity evolved from Judaism, although lots of Jews didn't convert to Christianity so we still have Jews today.
Thats what I said didn't I (perhaps not very well) . BC = Before Christ. ie The Old Testament (He was a jew BTW)


Title: Re: Why are the Jews hated so much?
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 09:19:15
Weird wording I think. "Basically the same as christianity BC" is a weird wording when Christianity didn't exist BC. Made me double think as well although I got what you meant.