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Title: Long throws
Post by: Colin Todd on Monday, December 22, 2008, 10:15:18
Delayed rant here, its much calmer that it would have been on saturday.

I'm not having a go at morrison here, because he's young and just doing what he is told.

But can we please stop hurling the ball at Peacock when he's being marked by 3 players, 2 of which are taller than him and are in the position to get a running jump on him. Just use a bit of common sense and throw it somewhere else, or at least pack the near post with players in order to create a bit of carnage like Stoke do.

Did we actually work in this in training?  because it didnt fucking look like it.  Unless "working on it" means Byrne saying "Shaun, lob it at Peaks near post. The rest of you hang aroung the far post and the edge of the area doing nothing. Keep repeating this even if it isnt working at all"


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: juddie on Monday, December 22, 2008, 10:21:29
You can add corners to that. How many times on saturday did we cross it with everyone, and I mean everyone, stood on the edge of the area. Get in there FFS!


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: Colin Todd on Monday, December 22, 2008, 10:26:41
on the subject of corners, are macca and JP being told to hit high looping balls to the far post all the time, because thats what they seem to do.  either that or hit the 1st man


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: DiV on Monday, December 22, 2008, 11:11:13
In the end myself and the 2 guy sat next to me were just taking guesses on which Yeovil player would get onto our long throws.

One guy at one point said Peacock and everyone laughed.

We are terrible at throw ins and corners both defending and attacking.


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: tans on Monday, December 22, 2008, 11:12:28
on the subject of corners, are macca and JP being told to hit high looping balls to the far post all the time, because thats what they seem to do.  either that or hit the 1st man

nah there deliverys just crap! ;)


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: Colin Todd on Monday, December 22, 2008, 11:39:08
In the end myself and the 2 guy sat next to me were just taking guesses on which Yeovil player would get onto our long throws.

One guy at one point said Peacock and everyone laughed.

We are terrible at throw ins and corners both defending and attacking.

It was just moronic. We must have done it 10 times, with one of our players winning exactly nothing. Yeovil might be almost as shit as us, but they know how to defend long throws it would seem


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: DiV on Monday, December 22, 2008, 11:51:31
We didnt begin at the start of the game but it was roughly

Lee Peacock 1
Terry Skiverton 7
Their number 27 who name ecapes me 5


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: Colin Todd on Monday, December 22, 2008, 11:56:40
Peacock won one?



Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 22, 2008, 12:04:54
You can add corners to that. How many times on saturday did we cross it with everyone, and I mean everyone, stood on the edge of the area. Get in there FFS!

The tight-formation corner has been used most of the season. Looks like it's something they work on in training. Suppose everyone is meant to run at the same time and cause confusion - it works, our corner taker is well confused were to hit it.

At least we realise that having McNamee in our box when defending corners is pointless, so we are pushing him up to half way to at least occupy some defender(s)


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: LucienSanchez on Monday, December 22, 2008, 12:50:39
It's a vicious circle though... we can't attack or defend from set pieces so in training no one is really getting any benefit...


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 22, 2008, 18:11:32
In the end myself and the 2 guy sat next to me were just taking guesses on which Yeovil player would get onto our long throws.

One guy at one point said Peacock and everyone laughed.

We are terrible at throw ins and corners both defending and attacking.

is he going to be our new manager?


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: flammableBen on Monday, December 22, 2008, 18:22:35
I don't claim to be an expert on the art of the long throw, but into the box wouldn't it be better if they were harder and flatter? Morrison's on Saturday seemed a bit high and loopy most the time to be easy attacking goodness.



Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: michael on Monday, December 22, 2008, 18:58:56
I've always thought it to be a real shame that Morrison can't be on the end of his long throws


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: juddie on Monday, December 22, 2008, 19:01:25
it's not the throws that are the problem, it's putting one person on the front post to win them. Why not have peacock, jerel and hasney and let cox and co feed off the winnings? It's the oners that made me laugh, one went in and we had no-one in the box! they were all stood on the edge.

Saturday was soooooooooo painful.


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: jonny72 on Monday, December 22, 2008, 19:11:43
I don't claim to be an expert on the art of the long throw, but into the box wouldn't it be better if they were harder and flatter? Morrison's on Saturday seemed a bit high and loopy most the time to be easy attacking goodness.

I'm pretty certain that is one of the reasons we don't get more goals from them - they are far too high and need to be flatter. The other reason being they should be thrown at a pack of our tallest players, rather than just random.

As for so many other things at the moment, this is just down to extremely poor tactics from the manager and you can't blame the players.


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 22, 2008, 19:26:44
i think all our problems at the moment can be put down to a complete lack of movement: people panicing on the ball as no one gives the easy option, not good enough movement to link up with the strike force.

our set pieces highlight this quite well. you'd think it'd be easy to sort out a throw in wouldn't you?


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, December 22, 2008, 19:31:00
is he going to be our new manager?

 Not a bad shout...must be approaching the end of his time, and we got Ardiles off Blackburn.


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: flammableBen on Monday, December 22, 2008, 20:12:45
I'm pretty certain that is one of the reasons we don't get more goals from them - they are far too high and need to be flatter. The other reason being they should be thrown at a pack of our tallest players, rather than just random.

As for so many other things at the moment, this is just down to extremely poor tactics from the manager and you can't blame the players.

Well yeah. But does Morirson have the ability to do a better throw? I mean it must be harder to get the distance without the loop factor.

But I agree that we didn't exactly make the best of them as they are.


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: jonny72 on Monday, December 22, 2008, 20:57:42
But does Morirson have the ability to do a better throw? I mean it must be harder to get the distance without the loop factor.

I'm guessing that he probably hasn't put in that much time in training working on his throws. He already has a lot of power and with some targeted work in the gym building up his arms more and on the training ground working on the technique I reckon there is the potential for a lot of improvement.

Given that the best defences in the country can't cope with Delap's throws, I reckon it would be well worth the time and effort getting it will take for him to perfect them. I'm sure he can as well - the distance he was getting on some of them at the weekend was incredible and he didn't even look like he was trying.


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: leefer on Monday, December 22, 2008, 21:47:38
The thing is everybodys being negative about the long throw,i agree on saturday keep launching it at Peacock was shite...but on the plus side his throwing the ball from deep defensive areas is a big plus,plus Morrison hits more passes in a single match than Aljofree and Ifill does in a season....Ime sure Cardiff only baught Comminges for his bombs into the area.


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, December 22, 2008, 23:21:49
The long throw is a good weapon. The bad news is that we are totally incapable of making it look good in the same way as we are shit at corners, free kicks etc. - whether we're attacking or defending. The good news is that Morrison has the makings of a decent player and his long throw will grab the attention of some.


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: axs on Monday, December 22, 2008, 23:27:29
Our free kicks weren't all so bad on Saturday.

Shame about every other game.


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, December 22, 2008, 23:42:12
Well one goal from a free kick is a good start. Shame we conede more than we score. It was nice thuogh of the Yeovil kepper to give us 2 on Saturday. Shame we gave them 3.


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 01:22:46
Not a bad shout...must be approaching the end of his time, and we got Ardiles off Blackburn.


woo it was noticed. thank you reg :-[


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: Lumps on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 09:30:51
When was the last time we were any good at set pieces?

I've a feeling it was back when Messrs Taylor and Bodin were in the side and they were being coached by someone that actually had some coaching ability.


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: Dozno9 on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 10:39:59
When was the last time we were any good at set pieces?

I've a feeling it was back when Messrs Taylor and Bodin were in the side and they were being coached by someone that actually had some coaching ability.

Looooooong ago. I remember when Taylor was out most threatening at set pieces and now, dog shit.


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 12:00:22
Taylor or Bodin scored more in that one season than our midfield have scored for bloody ages.


Title: Re: Long throws
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 13:09:04
It was probably more down to Taylor sticking his head in places most people wouldn't put their feet and Bodin taking a lot of penalties.  You don't get players like Taylor very often, he'd have headed the defender if he thought it would cause a connection with the ball.  Our main attacking set piece problem seems to be a lack of variation.  Sometimes they look ok but when it's not working we don't change.