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Oh dear, another Eduardo im affraid. Horrific Tackle on Aaron Ramsey.

Shawcross was sent off and appeared to be cying as he left the pitch, arsenal players were really upset aswell. Sky refused to show replays.

Deja Vu.

must be bad if they refuse to show it. poor lad.

is it on youtube yet?

Arsenal keep seeming to get this kind of thing don't they?

That was my first thought as well. Is that wrong?

same here, soapy tit wank, im sure it will be, but will be taken down sharpish.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/742203/HORROR-INJURY-FOR-RAMSEY-AT-STOKE.html

Some pictures here, awful.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/arsenal/7332872/Arsenals-Aaran-Ramsey-involved-in-horror-tackle-with-Stokes-Ryan-Shawcross.html

picture here

judging by the pic it looks like the leg buckled before contact, video will show more im sure.

Not much too see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFE5VVq9a7w

Having watched the game & that video back again I'm still not convinced there was any intent at all.

It just looked as though he had mis-controlled the ball and was trying to lump it forwards and that Ramsey got there a split second earlier.

To be honest if it had not have been for the severity of the injury, I doubt if Shawcross would have got any more than a yellow card.

In fact it was probably less of a foul than the one by Fabregas right at the end of the game, where he (appeared to) deliberately hack someone from behind.

But whatever the rights & wrongs, I just hope that Ramsey makes a full recovery

I've looked at it again and again and it doesn't look any more than a yellow to me. He was only a fraction of a second late and didn't appear to go in dangerously or high. Nasty, nasty break though.

It's just one of those things isn't it? I'm sure Shawcross didn't go in with any intent. I feel for him but of course most of all I feel for Ramsey. That lad may not be the same on a football field again and he's a quality young player.

It sucks doesn't it.

Shawcross' reaction tells the story- no intent or malice, just one of those shitty, shitty things that happen in football... much like Eduardo. It's an accident.

Red card, yes. 3 match ban, yes. Further recriminations, no.

Shawcross has been called up to the England squad to face Egypt on wednesday, no joke

http://www.thefa.com/England/MensSeniorTeam/MatchCentre/2010/EnglandEgypt/MatchPreviews/CapelloNamesSquad.aspx

thats not malicious in any way

Shawcross is a good defender with a fair bit of potential.

I agree with DMR's comment.

Not sure about the red card. Will wait until I see it properly rather than on YouTube, but if he didn't go in high or with malicious intent then it's not a red, regardess of the outcome.

As for Ramsey, it's not nice to see that happen to anybody. Hope he can make a full recovery.

Nasty injury that. But it doesn't look a bad tackle on youtube. Hard to tell 100% though.

no intent.poor fuckers on both counts

The MOTD still looks like Ramsey's ankle/lower leg has buckled before Shawcross hits him, although I'm sure that didn't help. Wouldn't have been a red if he hadn't been injured I'd have guessed, no studs or anything.

The replay on MOTD really didn't look that bad at all. The tackle that is not the injury.

I'm no expert but I am am very shocked such a bad injury could come from that tackle.

They stopped the footage just as contact was being made. Ramseys foot was already planted and at an angle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8mrAHMn8zk

Yep, either his leg already gave way like Alan Smith's break a couple of years ago, or Ramsey needs to be having a serious word with his shinpad manufacturer.

yeah cause shin pads protect ankles

The contact was way above his ankle.

exactly

So if the contact was on his shinpad (which it looked like) then it did fuck all.

They're not designed to protect against everything Sam!

Isn't it just one of those things where his weight was all twisty and a tackle came in at the wrong time. Unfortunate all round.

Got my ankle broken in a friendly match at college - history versus mechanical engineers. I was just a bit quicker than a bloke called Colin who took a swipe at where the ball but went clean through my ankle bone instead. We had a pint in the student union a few days later and just got on with things - he felt bad but it was just an accident.

It was years before I could play without it hurting, and it still aches like fuck now in damp weather.

received a deserved england call up tonight as well. a gd player

Only seen the video on the previous page...but the talk in the business is that Shawcross got sent off purely of match-control than anything else. Look at sol-campbels immediate reaction - what would he have done if he had stayed on the pitch...

Have heard his leg gave way before the challenge, but there didn't seem to be much 'serious foul play' about it - which he would have been sent off for - funny old game.

Arsene Wenger is a cock for thinking everyone is out to get his team.Prick

I don't see how his leg would have just given way/snapped before the tackle

I agree with DMR

I think it was intentional. Capello is obviously thinking that Ramsey, whilst playing for Wales may be a danger to England in the Euro qualifiers. This was a test by Capello to see if Shawcross has any balls. I think the conversation went something like the end sequence of The Karate Kid

Capello        "sweep the leg"
Shawcross   "but sensay, thats illegal"
Capello        "I SAID SWEEP THE LEG!!"  "and if you do i will give you an england call up"
Shawcross   "Sorted!"

like wiggy, I did mine. Double dislocation and a fracture. Nothing malicious, just mistimed and these things happen. Ramsaey had already gone over on his ankle before shawcross made contact, so just a case of bad luck all round. Shawcross looked gutted, no malicious intent at all.


I'm sure he was saying it in the heat of the moment, but Wenger saying it isn't acceptable and teams bully Arsenal, fuck off... bad coincidence, get over it. Shit happens.

Saw MOTD. As his ankle was already at that angle before Shawcross came in I think that may have been the result of the injury. If his foot is straight then he may have been OK?

I didn't agree with Wenger's comments after the match. Thought they were knee-jerk and in the heat of the moment type comments and you could tell he hadn't really seen the replay of the challenege.

That is a terrible injury, could even be an end of career injury.

My ankle was shattered from a tackle, unlike injuries further up the leg which often heel even stronger, the ankle never does. I still have the stud mark scares on my leg today from 30+ years ago.

I feel very sorry for Shawcross as well, he will be finding it hard to live with himself at the moment. The comments from Wenger were not needed either, he is a great manager but also a complete wanker.

wenger "The players are shocked, it is a bad fracture. He will be transferred to London tonight to see if he needs emergency surgery but he will be out for a long time."

fracture? it broken in fucking half!!!!

ankles never mend. I was lucky enough not to require pins in mine, but five years on and it's still stiff in the mornings, worse in winter.

ramsay will probably be ok, because pros get the best medical help available, plus they have the time to recuperate properly. Who ever thought Cisse would play again?

Does Wenger ever get fined for his ridiculous comments? He's such a tool.

I'm sure everyone is amazed he managed to see the incident.

i know that feeling :-)

I've never heard of either of these players. Maybe this is the sign they both need that they should retrain and do something more meaningful with their lives.

I'm guessing he won't be getting his done by the NHS:)

To be fair, that was a pretty controlled response compared to how he reacted after the Eduardo incident - pretty certain he ended up issuing an apology as he went way over the top.

I still can't figure out how Ramsey's leg got broken like that. As others have pointed out, his ankle was at an angle prior to the tackle going in and it looked like the tackle would have hit on the protective guard. So what the fuck happened?

I'm wondering if his leg was already under strain due to the angle of it and the tackle going in was the final straw causing the break. Pity Sky didn't do a proper analysis like they did on MOTD. I want answers.

As a Stoke City supporter, I would like to thank you all for your reasonable comments about the Shawcross/Ramsey incident yesterday. We are an unfashionable club sitting in with the big boys at the moment and they really don't like it.

I was at the game yesterday and have watched the incident many times since on TV. It was not a malicious tackle, it wasn't high or with studs showing. It was just a bad accident, it looked like Ramsey's ankle had already gone over before any contact with Shawcross.

His team mates were that concerned for his welfare that they went chasing after the ref to get Shawcross sent off. (Campbell and Fabregas were a disgrace). well done our own Glenn Whelan for actually sitting with Ramsey and comforting him through his obvious distress.

We may be a big, strong physical side, but we play fairly. Too many clubs in the Premiership forget that football is a contact sport and we should just sit back and marvel at how pretty Arsenal's passing play is.  I have followed Stoke since the mid 70's and we have had to play the rough and tough stuff. The lower leagues are full of strong sides, look how hard it has been for Leeds to get back up; I'm hoping you can still pip them to automatic promotion and they fail in the play offs for the 3rd year running..
Good luck for the rest of the season..



Proud Stokie

I have to walk around the house first thing every morning just to get the ankle to work, it often collapses on me and I find myself falling arse over tit, a lot of people put this down to me being pissed.
I wasn't so lucky and had a plate fitted to give my ankle support. My foot was facing the wrong way after the tackle (mugging), funny thing though I didn't feel any pain after the initial impact.
I did feel very cold, was sick as a dog and then passed out.

That number the STD code for Stoke? It's scarily similar to our one. Is Stoke twinned with Disneyworld?

yes 01782 is the dialling code for Stoke

Freaky.

How random that you ended up here!

Welcome Stokey.

What's your favourite cheese?

You realise that most of the old style std code's were based on the name of the area and spelling it on the old style phones which had letters against the numbers?

So Stoke and 78 is for ST and Swindon and 79 is for SW.

So its not really that freaky or scary or anything.

Thanks Jonny. I was really worried for a minute. I would never have worked out the correlation between the alphabet and numbers without your kind help x x

Oh dear

Any particular reason you ended up on a Swindon forum?

and you haven't answered Ginginho's very relevant and insightful question.

Should be an interesting day in the office tomorrow. Member of staff and Commercial Manager are  both Gooner's and we have a meeting with a supplier who is a Stoke ST holder......light blue touch paper!!!!!

Did anyone listen to some of the Arsenal fans comments on 6-0-6? Far too over the top. They were amazingly angry about the tackle as if no Arsenal player has never performed a poorly timed tackle throughout their whole history.

Mind you, they were trumped by the Stoke fan who called in and said Shawcross shouldn't have been sent-off - "perhaps a yellow" but the referee gave him a red because of the reactions.

That's a lot more sensible than ANYTHING I've heard from Arsenal's side. Doing nasty damage to somebody doesn't necessarily make it a red card. His studs weren't up and he didn't exactly lunge in. Had he got there a fraction earlier people would have commended him for a good hard tackle and moved on.

I'm not sure what the FA would say the best course of action is for a referee in that situation, but I can understand the Stoke fan's opinion.

Nothing new to add, but I do feel sorry for Shawcross, it clearly wasn't his intention to hurt Ramsey, just a second late trying to play the ball - but obviously I feel most for Ramsey.  That's clearly a career threatening injury.

As fB said, this is just one of those things that happen in football sometimes - there isn't always someone to blame.

It's maybe harsh but if you foul someone and break their leg you're going to get a red and whether its deserved or not I reckon its the correct decision. There is a big risk of retaliation otherwise and its unlikely the player would be in the right frame of mind to carry on anyway. Not in the rules maybe but I doubt many would disagree with it.

With Diaby, Eduardo and now Ramsey, you can understand why Arsenal fans are upset. They've been on the wrong end of more career-ending challenges than most clubs in the last two or three years. Add to this the Allardyce-inspired view in the Prem that Arsenal don't fancy a scrap and if you're an Arsenal fan it isn't a huge leap of logic to conclude that teams like Hull, Bolton and Stoke come after them.

So I understand their frustration and calling for blood but this one looks innocuous and unlucky - looks like all of Ramsey's weight is on that leg, his studs are caught in the turf and Shawcross has rolled over him. Just hope he comes back, he's a great little player.

Sorry, which of those 3 was a career ending tackle?

OK, "fucking horrible tackle", if you want to proof-read adjectives all night.

That's nothing.

A few years back Liverpool had two broken legs in one half at Blackburn.

Wenger didn't see it, therefore it didn't happen.

It was nothing but a knock, bit of magic spray and he could have run it off

I had just put Ramsey in my Fantasy team.

So it is probably my fault.

i have shawcross in mine with no subs left.

I think it's Romsey, near Southampton, which is 01792 and then Swansea is 01794 innit? I'm not checking, there are others here who enjoy that.

Which is nearly Ramsey! This just gets freakier!

Not over the top reaction at all - it was a horror challenge that should be properly punished - I thought it was a tackle of some intent to injure personally - not saying it was deliberate to break his leg mind you! 3 match ban not really sufficient - can you imagine that happening to Douglas or Ferry - would we be happy? Ramsey was going to be a world class player - who knows from now what he will acheive?

Its not as if Shawcross hasnt got previous - broke Francis Jeffers ankle/leg in a previous match 2 years ago - and put Adebayor out of football for 3 months with a reckless late off the pitch challenge which almost broke his leg too last year.

As for Arsenal I cant remember their players breaking any players bones from any challenges whatsoever.

Shawcross being called up for England when Capello drops Terry for setting a bad example is almost hypocritical! I certainly wont be supporting any England side with him in it!

Teams such as Stoke and Bolton and Birmingham might have to play this way in order to survive at the top flight due to lack of funds but it really needs to looked at further by the FA. As long as this kind of play is tolerated and encouraged by media and managers alike then England will continue to win nothing.

Credit again then to Mr Wilson at showing how to be bringing a club of low funding into the higher echelons with good quality football and fair play! Another example of how well Swindon Town is being run these days in comparison to other clubs!

No, it's football - these things happen in contact sports. It's clear he wasn't deliberate (as you said) just a very poorly times tackle. All of this "teams like Stoke do this and do that" is rubbish in my opinion.

It winds me up how fans grab the metaphoric flaming torches and pitchforks and demand vengeance towards a young, promising footballer who made a genuine mistake.

Still frequenting the emirates then Fatbury?

Is Fatbury Wenger ?

Shawcross is so dirty and violent he's never had a red card.

Wenger and some Arsenal fans reaction to this has got on my nerves. Many seem to think that because the play pretty football that they somehow occupy the moral high ground and everyone should just let them play. Summed up by this "As long as this kind of play is tolerated and encouraged by media and managers alike then England will continue to win nothing" Yeah, so Stoke, Bolton and Birmingham should just go toe to toe with Arsenal playing a passing football game. And lose 5-0.  For fucks sake I saw Real Madrid try and kick Messi out of a game last season. It happens. Its always happened. get over yourselves.


The tackle on eduardo was worse than this one, and I didnt think that was too bad either. I've seen a million worse tackles than both, some of which led to no injury at all. The fact that Ramseys leg is snapped in half is down to bad luck.

I dont want football to become a non contact sport because 1 club had some bad luck. Lets face it it used to be a fuck load more violent a sport than it is now.

A young promising footballer who made a genuine mistake ? 3 times in 3 years?? It suggests otherwise to me - breaking one leg is bad but two is more than careless! Incidentally he was sent off for the tackle on Jeffers AND was retrospectively given a 3 match ban for the tackle on Adebayor/

And yes I am still going to the Emirates as well as the County Ground this season - but as of next season Im ALL STFC .. season ticket purchased at the weekend!

Saying a side has no money means they have to play agressive long ball football is just an excuse - STFC are proving that this season

It may have been quite tasty in the past but players werent moving at such great speeds as they do now!

The guys leg was broken before he made contact.

rather than a huge league wide consipracy perhaps Arsenals players are a bit gay and lightweight?

Man United also play good football but dont seem to get snapped limbs every couple of years.

just a thought.

I think I've just read two of the worst posts in TEF history.

Take a bow Pooky you have just managed to eclips all the total retardation that has gone before you...

Once Ryan Shawcross left the pitch he can clearly be seen in the stands with a demonic smile, cursing the Arsenal and chanting "Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and caldron bubble."

He's evil.

Shawcross has broken three player's ankles in three years and he's got 8 yellow cards this season.

I don't believe he's malicious and he was clearly distraught. He's also a decent player - breaking into the England squad at that age from a club like Stoke is really impressive.

But either he's really unlucky or he needs a word in his ear about his tackling.

It made me happy he got in the england squad after the hysterical over-reaction.

Although perhaps he should be kept away from Rooney.

I believe Alex Song has 10. Ban him for life!

Pffft, back in the day he'd simply have a nickname like Ron 'Chopper' Harris.

Song can't tackle for shit. I wouldn't use him as an example.

But he's an Arsenal player and as we know Arsenal don't do anything wrong.

Can it also be noted that neither Adebayor or Jeffers actually ended up with broken legs as far as I remeber.

Francis 'injury prone' Jeffers did his ligaments and Adebayor was out for 3 weeks with an 'ankle injury'

Fuck me you are a twat sometimes.

I dont think there was any malice in the tackle whatsoever there.

Anyhow kudos to Shawcross, both Jeffers and Adebayor are cunts.

As for the not supporting England if he is in team, thats fucking laughable.

wengers comments were over the top after the incident.heat of the moment.if he's still standing by those comments then he has it wrong.
that said, teams do go after arsenal and rough them up.im sure shawcross was letting the players have a bit, but no way meant to cause the injury.
arsenal need to get tougher and sign some fucking destroyers themselves

Totally agree arriba. In the past people didnt fuck with arsenal beacuse people like keown and viera would look after their smaller, weaker players.  It made Arsenal a much better team as well. All teams need a blend of skill and agression.