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"-it's common sense!"

is a quote from a BNP leaflet popped into my letter box.

i just want to register (in yet another thread) how embarrassed i am as an Britain to read shit like this.

grrr

i had one of those through my door.
i also noted a bnp thing tied to a lamp post along dorcan way,earlier this week.it disapeared pretty quickly

I got one too  - I actually read it  - does that make me a bad person?

Is that wording racist then.

no deano it's retarded

no charlotte you keep practicing

you love me really xxx

 Here we go.. 2-3-4...

It is hilarious. All those American stock photos and a picture of a Spitfire. The only thing funnier is the UKIP one with the picture of Churchill on it. They really don't have a clue about his views.

This thread is boring without ironside.

it wasn't meant for a debate, just for me to register my dislike for rubbish like this to be put through my letterbox.

should we have a rota so we can pretend to be ignorant racially for entertainment purposes?

GFM has promised to occupy the :hitler: niche

I think there is a real possibilty of the BNP gaining seats in the European Elections,im not actually sure what EMP's actually do though? Someone keeps sticking BNP stickers on the Dog Poo Bins and the new Allotment Security fence(both things that Rodbourne people have been annoyed about) I keep peeling them off  8)

the leaflet prompted me to look at the BNP website to see what other gems they have on their.
it looks like a someone from school has designed it and gotten their simple younger sibling to write rubbish on it

Oi i aint fucking simple.

Our halls got bombarded with these the other day, it was quite reassuring to see the bins overflowing with them.

I got that leaflet the other day. I can't believe they're still going along with the "British Jobs for British Workers" slogan too. Unfortunately, it seems that some people agree with the sentiment.

I mean it's obvious really: if we didn't have all these Poles over here taking all those jobs we used to have, then we'd be able to doss about all day and get paid for it instead of being unemployed, the economy would be far better off and the word 'recession' would have long since disappeared from the English dictionary. Vote BNP.

You've convinced me.

Where do I sign?

I don't know. I found this amusing though...

[url width=300 height=259]http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/7/79/Bnp_wheel.gif[/url]

''They Took My Job''

its pretty normal and understandable for "foreigners" to be blamed when the shit hits the fan and unemployment rises. I'm sure the same shit happens in other countries around Europe and the rest of the world. Its not something I subscribe to but I can see where people are coming from at least.

The BNP's latest election leaflet attacks Eastern European immigrants and features a Spitfire. Unfortunately for them they used a picture of a Spitfire from 303 Squadron - a squadron made up of Poles who escaped from occupied France and fought alongside the RAF!
They can't even be ignorant racists properly!

Charlie Brooker's rant sums them up pretty well http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/18/charlie-brooker-bnp-racism

was it Mussolini?

We only get lib dem stuff in our house, no bnp. Which is a shame, 'cause we've run out of bog roll :(

Erm, if you divorce that statement from the nutters who are using it then it is actually a reasonable thing to say.

Opposing mass immigration is not racist. This country has a 'natural' capacity of 30 million people, the most it can sustain with the natural resources we have.

Opposing political correctness is a pretty fucking brilliant thing to do and is definitely not racist.

Just pointing that out like.

DONT QUESTION THE MASSES

Sorry bout that chaps...been along day..read all of there policies not just a few...and you will see they are very racist very nasty and believe what they want to about history..not facts.

Oh, I concur. It's just that there's nothing wrong with Bennett's original thread heading as far as I can see?

I might vote bnp and join yeovil blue military groups  :nod:

I didnt mention Bennetts post...ime arguing against the people on here who seem to think that BNP have a good idea on immagration policies...my point is they spout on about these policies...but keep quiet about the more sinister....

Yeovil runs training camps up at Shaw Tip, where he keeps his arms cache in an underground drainage system.  It's a good place for this, because nobody ever goes there.

Stop fishing Reg.

Pop up there sometime, it gets quite busy.

Dont Reg. Anyway UKIP, any good?

What stop fishing or go up there?

Could I go fishing up there?

Yes, theres a well good spot of the river ray near there, just at the bottom of sparcells hill. I caught a gurt big perch there!

Political correctness is responsible for Broken Britain.

Natural resources? Can you explain what you mean and how it relates to immigration?

Before I get a rant about immigration in general (not necessarily from yourself, but anyone) I'd really just like to know the relevance.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2001/bnp_special/the_leader/beliefs.stm

Just abit of an idea of the leader of this partys beliefs and ideas...a delightfull creature,so i will get rid of some of my political correctness by saying the BNP can go fuck themselfs.

I saw a woman flop her tit out in Primark today. What's the BNP's view on that?

Depends on what colour the nipple was i spose.

Quite pink.

i see where you're coming from but it was on a BNP leaflet with lots of other rubbish so it riled me

not according to the BNP!

Cheers

Think U KIP are the sleeping giants in politics myself.

I agree we should exit Europe, but if UKIP achive that then what next for them. Its one dimensional politics like Green and BNP. My parents moved over here from Ireland post war as economic migrants. My dad never had a day on the dole. The BNP would call them Bog Wogs. The problem at the moment is that the current expenses scandal will play right into the hands of the minority parties. I really can see the BNP doing very well - I don't think I  could vote for a party who would hate my parents because of where they come from withuot knowing they were actually hard working people who did their best so their children could have a good life. My father was a builders labourer, my mother a cleaner. Both jobs that nobody else wanted. Sound familiar.

I'm suggesting TalkTalk is refering to natural resources being related to the production of crops and the rearing of animals -i.e the ability to have food. we have a restricted amount of land avaliable to farmers ,so the amount of crop produced is limited. If the population increases (due to immigration) then the demand for crops and meat will increase. demand increase & the same land means food shortage. As a country there is a limit to the amount of food that is produced, however in the past decade or so we have over produced, so we could allow for an increase in population at which the farmers can grow satisfactory food for.

The problems come when the demand for food increases and we can't cope, what do we do? we buy from abroad. produce + shipping + distribution = £££'s probably tax payers money, probably where the immigrants don't pay as much so it is us britons who pay for letting them come freely into the country.

on the thread front, im opposed to mass immigration, does that make me racist? i don't think so. why can't we adopt an australian style immigration policy. our british population is increasing with birth rates raising and death age increasing, we need to have jobs for the next generations of british people. with the recession cutting jobs, we will shoot ourselves in the foot if we just allow foreigners in willy nilly because over time us british will be renowned as being inadequetly trained or experienced for certain jobs or areas in society.

Blah, Blah.....nobody cares about peoples opinions on this matter.  :bye:

Good post and yes, that was what I meant. I haven't got any time for Jonathon Porritt (enviro-Nazi) and his suggestions that we should have selective neutering to reduce the UK population, but the OPT's figures are right - I researched this a few years back and this was the general consensus in the literature:


http://www.peopleandplanet.net/doc.php?id=3292 (http://www.peopleandplanet.net/doc.php?id=3292)


Indeed. It is interesting that actually the fertility rate is less than parity (fewer babies than parents) but because the population is increasing at a frightening rate - yes, from immigration, the UK's was 55M when I was at school, it's now over 60M - there are more babies being born. And as SD says, longevity is increasing as well.

PS the 'biocapacity' thing isn't just the ability to produce food, it is also concerned with energy production, water resources, waste disposal capacity etc.

I would just like to say that I am a reformed right winger however if you want I am more than versed in rightwing arugments and can take ironsides place if you want but it doesn't mean I belive in it.

I would like to say however that having different views on immergration to the left wing does not make you a rascist. We are a rich country and people from poorer conutries will always try and reach our shores. These people should not be enitled to benfits, houses etc as they have not contributed to the country in any way.

Any how it's far to nice a day to bang on about this shit. The overriding fact is that it is all shit as the world is fucked gobal warming etc and we are all gonna die in a huge war when the oil runs out.

more muslims means more pork for me - bring them on!!

just a few points from myself for the points raised.
if people stopped eating meat then there is plenty of land to feed everyone.
ukip will be getting my vote next month.
i agree that oil,or lack of will lead to alot more trouble yet.
it's a fucking glorious day so i'm off to miss some fairways.laters.......

The argument about leaving europe is bllody stupid. For britain to economically survive we either need to be part of the eu or the 52nd state of america. We can't survive on our own, and europe is the lesser of two evils

How can you argue that food import costs are paid for by tax revenues? They're included in the price of your food! If you're that worried you should stop buying fruit, coffee, tea, rice and meat from the other side of the world, and encourage others to do the same

I think if everyone followed my lead; ignoring everything and being totally apathetic as to which set of self serving cunts are in power, this country, nay the World, would be a much happier place.

Why get worked up about something you can't control? If you want to change it, stand for office, don't have an embolism on a forum!

Do what? How do you think Switzerland, Norway and any other number of countries exist? We certainly can survive without the EU and we would be a lot better off out of it. See

http://thetownend.com/index.php/topic,34268.msg698218.html#msg698218 (http://thetownend.com/index.php/topic,34268.msg698218.html#msg698218)

What a bunch of pompous twats you lot are. Has anyone on this site ever changed their views as a result of one of these tedious, pointless political threads?

Have they fuck.

Not true.

I have become a convert to fB's political philosophy since I started reading the TEF.

Having said that, I'm still not sure what it is...

All those countrys have established themselves as individuals, we haven't. They've also done a lot less to rub people up the wrong way than this almighty nation has

A far better title for this thread would have been "Because it's not just political correctness to hate Nazis - it's every Englishman's birthright"

We are the fourth largest economy in the World so how /why you think we couldn't survive by paying over billions to subsidise the rest of europe is beyond me.

The gravy train our MP's have been enjoying is nothing compared to what goes on in Europe. We'd be miles better off out of it with an arrangement like Norway has.

I for one will be voting UKIP come June

Not for long at this rate!

How incredibly appropriate

That's like sooooooooooooooooo out of date. Did you not know that jews are the immigrant it's ok to like now? (Not as much as yah Gurkhas obviously, everyone likes a Gurkha). But the BNP now claim to have jewish members and have turned their attention to worrying about the international islamic threat.

Do try to keep up.

Except for the BNP - Nick Griffin wants to send the Gurkhas back too.

Actually isn't that the kind of the point - that they simply vascilate between their scapegoats du jour, conveniently forgetting (for example) they used to so hate Jews, that Nick Griffin used to be a fervent admirer of (inter alia) Ayatollah Khomeini and Col Gadaffi (although in fairness Gadaffi was funding him at the time from the same slush fund he used for the IRA so you can understand his enthusiasm there). At least they've stuck by the KKK though

if anything,the bnp have become more of a joke than they have ever been.i think their popularity(not that they had much)will deplete further.

Firstly - Shaw tips ace for my dogs to have  apoo and me not to clear it up Talk Talk :)

Secondly, BNP is a political group who are growing numbers.  Before you say anything I am a Tory Boy so dont give a fuck

i dunno which is worse?

ha ha they are all at it, however I think for my needs they would be best.  Need to sort out benefits in this country - too much fraud going on!

What would be good is teh right people for the right jobs not the parts representatives.  I read teh chancellor job may go to one of three MPs who have no financial history! Get a gorpu of experts in to run with a team/panel of 10 buiness men, philip green, sir alan sugar etc etc

I dom't buy tea/coffee/fruit/rice and pretty much only buy english meats. my arguement wasnt so much for the fresh foods. but the need for more of this produce in this country will put pressure on the foreign farmers we buy from = they will raise their prices, so the prices in this country will eother rise item by item, or the government could just whack a food tax onto people, no matter whether they are like me and buy none of it, or buy all of it because they prefer to.

Indeed. Never understood why so called liberals are so pro-eu - the whole lot of it seems uber Fascist to me. 27 countries being ruled by Brussels, and no chance of escaping it.

I would have thugoht its every Englishman's birthright to think whatever they want. I don't like the BNP but if someone wants to support them then its down to individual choice and at the moment, its understandable if more people think they are better represented by the BNP. Its very difficult to see where the moral high ground is at the moment. Politics is in the gutter and voting may reflect this. 

The thing with immigration is it is obvious, something people see everyday. If the question of it is suppressed, rather than debated then sooner or later it will come out in a wave of public opinion that will be much more dangerous.

Police figures show that a massively disspraportionate number of rapes in the UK are commited by immigrants. 1 in 3 in London. We are only just starting to see the reports of the effects mass immigration has had on our country. And it has been mass immigration.

I wouldnt vote BNP. But if you dont let people voice their opinions in mainline politics, then sooner or later it could surface in a much more drastic and dangerous way.

Why do so many immigrants want to come to Britain? Why do they live in refugee camps in Calais? Its because in other countries like Germany, France and Italy they do support their own. They hire their own countrymen for jobs, knowing they are more expensive. Having had open borders for years they know how dangerous mass immigration can be. I frequently come across people in jobs who cannot speak English. Speaking English is the number one skill that you can have in this country, how can you hire someone without it? We are the land of opportunity for a lot of these people, because our attitudes are less prejudiced, but the social cohesion of the country is becomming threatened, especially in London. 

We are already at the stage where communities are refusing to make English their language. Forming their own schools. If that happens then these communities may never be integrated into the UK. That will ruin this country.

I think there's a more-than-fine line between a number of members of a party lying about expenses, and the party being led by a racist

Woosh! Need any help getting down off that high horse? :)

Racism / corruption - depends on your poison. The thing is that the mainstream parties have proven themselves unworthy. The protest vote will happen. Don't forget you don't have to be racist to vote BNP - just misguided or doing the protest vote. We're in dangerous territory at the moment.

Paul - not aware of a high horse but going into work and 2 bottles of wine may have dulled my humour tonight.

most people wont bother to  vote.a no show rahter than protest vote i reckon

I'm spoiling my ballot paper. I will scrawl "fuck the EU, get us out" across it.

I suggest you all do the same.

High horse or not, you can't deny any political party the right the campaign and the voters the right to vote for them. In our supposed democracy.

I won't vote for them, but I think they will get a shedload of support in the Euros and the next General Election. It will show the dissatisfaction with the shit that we call political parties that we have now and fair play.

Bring it on.

they said that last time about the bnp.it didn't happen.
as for spoiloing vortes.i have considered it,but a spoiledvote wnt chang anything

But the BNP have made gains in the recent elections, particularly the local elections hence the agro over the possibility of Nick Hitler meeting the Queen

yeah one minor thing being we are five years on, and the mood regarding politics and politicians is a tad different

i'm not referring to general elections

Nah, don't worry about it (funnily enough I'm in broadly the same state, except it's 1 bottle and I'm STILL working - oh the joys of the global information age!). I actually hadn't intended to get involved in this thread and I'd just been responding to some discussion a few pages back about the suitability of the thread title (in terms of it echoing BNP propaganda) so i thought I's suggest a more suitable alternative. For the record, of course anyone who's entitled to vote is perfectly entitled to support whoever they wish, that is their democratic right. As it is mine to suggest that they're either Nazis or fucking idiots if they vote BNP.

I thought you drank man's beer?

Gayer.

Fair play but get started on bottle number 2 - you haven't got enough typos in there yet. I've had enough today. Barbecue tomorrow. Beer, wine, and pigs, cows and chickens connective tissue - lovely.  

You fucking wish

I was going to limit myself to half a bottle of wine tonight but it's nearly all gone.

I'm also on the barbecue tomorrow. Hope the weather holds out. Few mates rounds, half of which don't drink, more for me. Should be good.

Did we not have a similar discussion recently?

I might start a new thread on religion as a distraction.

Whats your source for that statistic?

Isn't it one of those statistics where the population of Greater London is made up of about 30% non-british residents anyway, so in fact those nasty immigrants aren't really more likely to go about raping you?

I'm sure you'd find much higher rape committing correlations with other social demographics. Stuff like 'grew up in poverty', 'abused as child' and 'uneducated'. They don't seem to make as good targets as blame the foreigners though.

Great...get cracking then Red.

Dooo it.

I'd very much like to know the source of that 1 in 3 stat.

It was in the Sun last week.

I found an express article.
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/93550

It doesn't really go into much detail though.

I think you might have rather undermined the authority of your source there

I agree with you. I think the true number of foreigners in Greater London probably is a third or more. But what are the official figures for foreigners in London? The government will not admit to how many immigrants they have let into the country.

I wonder what the number of rapes Somalians commit in Britain per head of population? Its pretty obvious that there is a problem with the way they treat women in their own country, so why do we let them in? If you think that is racist then tough, Britain comes first.

I think 31% is the official 2006 statistic although I can't find it again now. If the real number is higher doesn't that make foreigners less likely to commit rape?

I know loads of people who's families originally migrated to Britain and they are some lovely people who have good solid family values and have often been more neighbourly than the other folk. I've also heard stories of such people committing crimes. Clearly you get your good and bad apples in whatever demographic. There is no rigid policy which can be put in place to avoid persecuting people who are going to bring something to the country.

The building I go to get accountancy tuition next to Reading station also houses some sort of course for people on jobs seekers. I think the idea is they turn up and receive tips for interviews and creating CVs/filling out job applications, as well as build skills to use in day to day employment. They get sent there otherwise they don't get job seekers. I'd say 80% or more of these people are the lowest of society. They turn up drinking special brew, they smoke weed in the breaks and basically don't want to work. My point is not of existing policy etc., but to point out that a lot of the jobs which are being 'stolen' from 'us' are not so because there are unemployed people who just don't want to work full stop.

The BNP targets specific groups of people and is quite clearly racist. If the shoe was on the other foot it wouldn't be right either i.e. white British being targeted. I still can't get my head round some of the arguments that the BNP or people use to justify the fact they don't want specific races of people in this country. Frankly, if you don't want particular types of people residing in this country because you don't like them, you should damn well say so instead of making up some bullshit and towing the I don't have a mainline view, don't hate me for it line.

Yes Ben it would.

The best article I ever read on immigration was the editorial of the Perth Times (in Australia) when I was out there. It said that in the 1970's the Labour government provided asylum to thousands of Lebanese. Before hand they had a panel of experts commision a report on how the Lebanese would adapt to Australian life. The report said the Lebanese would not take up Australian values, they would not integrate and they would retain their own cultures and beliefs, some of which were not compatable with Australian law or society. The Australian government let them in anyway. 30 years later they are still having the same problems with their Lebanese community.

The point was that when considering who to let into your country you have to make generalisations based on nationality as to who is suitable and who isnt. When you think about it, that is racist. To make negative generalisations on people based on where they come could be a definition of racism?

But for me, Britain is too important for that not be done. Its unfortunate, but it is the only way to keep our country culturally the same. The same cultures that have made our country great in the first place.

So what's wrong with Eastern Europeans then? Again, I know plenty which have integrated into Britain and are good, honest and hardworking. There are also some which have taken to criminal activities. I simply can't tar all with the same brush. Plus the women are lovely and Polish bread tastes great.

Here's an idea, instead of turning away everyone from a specific country/area, perhaps better policing would take away more crime. Plus, it would weed out the existing occupants who are a scourge on society.

Thats the key. Will the Polish integrate? Yes. Its been proven that they will from the many that came around the time of WW2.

Lots of people moan about the "amount of bloody Polish" in Trowbridge. This confuses me because there's been a significant Polish community in Trowbridge for decades - I know many people that are are very "English" in the stereotypical sense but their surnames are clearly of Eastern European origin.

There was a series of programmes on this sort of thing on channel 4. They were quite balanced and didn't ignore the fact there are problems with racial integration etc. But one of the conclusions was that a lot of immigration is in fact not permanent anyway. People move to where there are jobs and where the economic situation is good, stay a few years, then when the economy changes (as in the UK now) quite a few of them go to where it is more favorable (or go home as quite a few Poles have done).

Dead right Spencer.

If we would not accept a 'race' like the poles who have as near cultural, religious and social values as we're likely to get then we would all indeed be BNP voters.

Manipulating figures is always a great tool for the likes of the Daily Mail/Express etc (well anyone I guess). If we had one Eskimo in the country seeking asylum and he robbed a bank then that would make 100 % of eskimos likely to rob a bank ?

Lets not forget that money motivates most people..if i was offered a job in any other country that payed four times what ime getting in England,well its not rocket science is it...but as a driver i hear lots of different versions of what immagration has done in there areas..if you live in Bradford,Oldham,Hounslow etc and generations of your family were ther before you..then you might think and act differently to what you do now..i was in Burnley 2 weeks ago and the feeling is there that the BNP and UKIP will do well because rightly or wrongly the white poulation think that immagration has to stop in ther areas and that local and main politicians are two scared to deal with it in a fair and proper way...so they will vote for idiot fringe partys as a sort of protest vote,i went to Ashford in Kent last week and the whole town now is a dumping ground for immagrents waiting for a chance someware in the UK.
My feeling is that there is good and bad in all people...i like to look at the Chinese in this country as a success story...most of them work hard,play hard...but you dont get much trouble involving them as the family ethic is very strong.
As for manipulating figures and such..well its the same in most countrys not just here..i mean 18 rugby lads were banged up last week for imating nuns.we all saw and read about it...but millions have gone ther peacefully and had good law abiding holidays,its the same here,millions of foreign people live here and holiday here...but the few will get the focus if they transgress...its the same in all countrys,not just the UK.

I noticed today (in small print) that the scum who were shouting down the soldiers in Luton a month or so ago were "run off" the street yesterday whilst trying to mount some sort of demo. They were run off by local moderate muslims.

The reason for immigration is that a few people at the top are going to make even more money.  Essentially, labour costs go down, and over the long run the cost of housing goes up, it's that simple.

Vote "Fat White Bastard" (see other thread, name soon to be changed to "National Honest and Accountable Government, NHAG, Party")