Wilson Out

[joteddyred]

I hear what you are saying but what about the players?  If Danny is saying do this or cover that and they can't be arsed to do it, who do you blame?  If you blame the manager and get someone else in, they will turn round to the players and say "make sure you mark that guy" or " break quickly when we get the ball in the left back position" but again, the players take no notice.  How much better off are we?  The problem seems to me not the manager but the fact that our players are not very good and not very bright.  I'm hoping the new additions will change things but I am really disappointed with the likes of Douglas, Prutton, JPM, Cuthbert and Ferris who should be top of league 1 in performance but have vanished without a fucking trace. We all know big Vince and Dossevi aren't going to cut it but the midfield need to hang their pathetic heads in shame.  I'd love to know what they earn but about £50 a week would be just recompense for their value.  (Rant over)

Totally agree, the players have to be held responsible as well.  They are paid to do a job that they're clearly not doing.  However, Wilson's brought in a fair number of new players now that he's chosen and still nothing's changed.  He seems to have lost the player's respect, especially those he plays one game, drops the next, plays out of position etc. We can't completely change out squad of players, so the buck surely must stop with the manager?

[Simon Pieman]

I'm a Danny Wilson and signing Simon Ferry to wash my pants instead of playing football was my idea.

[Don Rogers Shop]

some of those players though are being chopped around left right and centre. to expect consistency from them is a bit unfair.

[pauld]

some of those players though are being chopped around left right and centre. to expect consistency from them is a bit unfair.

To expect a bit of a shift isn't though is it? And we're not seeing that far too often. And far too many of them have been under par for a lot longer than the manic chopping around has been going on. I'd be prepared to excuse Ferry on that basis, the rest of them should grow a pair and put a fucking shift in

[Arriba]

their confidence is gone and they are set up wrongly alot of the time.or not played at all in some cases.
a new manager can sort that out.the fact that other teams have games in hand might mean it's too late though.
worth the gamble i think

[redbullzeye]

I'm playing devils advocate a bit because I don't think it's fair Wilson takes the rap on his own.  But you are right, he's in charge and has to carry the can as it's what he's paid for as he's the boss.  But I've seen some of the players duck out of tackles, hide next to their markers, stray wildly out of position ("Awankah", JPM)and generally lack any sort of composure and it pisses me off.  I do remain puzzled by the Shirtliff factor and why, when we've got a specialist defence coach, we are so abysmal at the back.

[pauld]

Probably right there arriba. Don't take my agreeing with rbe about the players needing to also take a look at themselves in any way excuses Wilson. But they do remind me of the players toward the end of King's reign - a lot of them were prepared to hide behind the brickbats being hurled at the manager as an excuse for their own failings.

[Don Rogers Shop]

Paul mate i agree but being dropped here there and everywhere wont instil confidence

[pauld]

I do remain puzzled by the Shirtliff factor and why, when we've got a specialist defence coach, we are so abysmal at the back.

I'm not sure we are especially abysmal at the back, I think we're abysmal as a team from front to back. It's manifesting as conceding a shit load, but a lightweight midfield that provides no cover is always going to expose any deficiencies in defence. Just as a lack of creativity from the midfield is going to starve the strikers (assuming we choose to actually play any) of chances. That will manifest in lack of goals, but we're weak all over. We're not functioning as a team. And the weaknesses run all the way through

[pauld]

Paul mate i agree but being dropped here there and everywhere wont instil confidence

Absolutely. It's like a downward self-reconfirming spiral of clusterfuck at the moment

[Simon Pieman]

It's exactly how arriba says. Wilson only knows one way to set them up and play, albeit different players in different positions/formations but trying the same stuff.

Also, Wilson says we're unlucky a lot of the time but there have been plenty of times we got lucky this season. Saturday was an example, Yeovil away was a fantastic comeback but we got lucky, last gasp winner against Huddersfield at our place etc. A team is the architect of their luck most of the time and poor luck is a shit excuse.

[redbullzeye]

Paul mate i agree but being dropped here there and everywhere wont instil confidence

DRS - seriously do you think these guys lack confidence?  They've all got ego's the size of a small planet just look at the cars and personalised plates in the car park.  What they need to do is what Paul says - grow some bollox, fight for the shirt and have some pride in who they are playing for.  Yep I know it's Danny's job to instill this but the players need to front up and stop being fucking victims of circumstance.

[Panda Paws]

DRS - seriously do you think these guys lack confidence?  They've all got ego's the size of a small planet just look at the cars and personalised plates in the car park.  What they need to do is what Paul says - grow some bollox, fight for the shirt and have some pride in who they are playing for.  Yep I know it's Danny's job to instill this but the players need to front up and stop being fucking victims of circumstance.

But why put a shift in when you'll just get dropped or played out of position next week.

Ritchie got 3 goals in 5 games before exeter and is our one bright spark at the moment and he gets dropped

[pauld]

But why put a shift in when you'll just get dropped or played out of position next week.

Personal pride? Self-respect? Showing the cunt? At the very least, trying to show you deserve someone else coming to take you out of this living hell of working up to 3 hours a day and playing football for a living?

[redbullzeye]

I'm not sure we are especially abysmal at the back, I think we're abysmal as a team from front to back. It's manifesting as conceding a shit load, but a lightweight midfield that provides no cover is always going to expose any deficiencies in defence. Just as a lack of creativity from the midfield is going to starve the strikers (assuming we choose to actually play any) of chances. That will manifest in lack of goals, but we're weak all over. We're not functioning as a team. And the weaknesses run all the way through

Point taken - we do get overrun and this shouldn't always be the defence's fault.  Our midfield have been shit at times particularly JPM's attempts to play inside - AOB as well.  Being positive, we have Flint and Frampton and they need to be given a chance to form some sort of partnership.