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Embarrassing result tonight, I've had enough. WILSON OUT

haha.

How long have you had this thread ready to send?

We're gonna win 4-3...

Posted it after they scored their 3rd actually. So fuck off.

Not entirely my opinion but no doubt a few more will be thinking this tonight.

Mark McGhee was in the DRS this evening ;)

I'm in no way advocating he should go, but his targets this season were to get two out of:

- Reach the final of the JPT
- Reach the 3rd round of the League and/or FA Cup
- Finish in the playoffs

Malpas got sacked in not too dissimilar circumstances.

Agreed samdy.

People returned and they've gone again... But don't worry folks, you can buy a black replica shirt!

In an otherwise empty stand? I know he's not popular, but really ....

I'll bite at that. Fuck Off!

I assumed he was taking the piss, tbh

Yeh time for him to go.

Im greatful for what he did last season, but we play to much predictable football and just dont seem up for the fight.

Fair enough we have beaten teams like Huddesfield and Saints, but we dont seem up for the fight when playing teams like Crawley.

Sell austin for £3million, keep £1.5 million for the club and give £1.5 mil to new manager.

He is isn't he?

HAHA

I was... However, he's the sort of name that will be linked to any vacant job at Swindon.

agree,if that jock twat :cunty:  becomes our manager im off down the m4 to support brizzle, not funny :no:

Im a wilson fan however as samdy says malpas had similar circumstances and he got the boot.

I dont think it will be long.

Saturday is a must win game if its on

Must. Stop. Knee. From. Jerking.

Hurts though, don't it.

What's unrealistic about that? Cox went for 2million and Austin is better than him.

Damn right.

Text wanting Pardew...er, has he not looked at the Newcastle odds then?

if anyone expected to win today then you are delusional - this had upset written all over it

How? This whole season has been a fuck up.

Howd you work that one out?

Cox was a better all rounder

Well then we're all delusional because normally you expect to beat a team 2 leagues below you with a full strength team.

As I left work today a colleague asked me if I was going tonight and I said no because I wasn't prepared to pay £20 to watch Crawley and we'd probably lose!  You're right it was always on the cards.

It's all about personal preferences. Austin is more of a team player, better in the air, works harder etc.

Although we've been due this, I'd still say that delusional is a bit strong Whits.

not been a town fan for a while? your expectation is far to high :)

I'm sorry but i don't want to see him go.
We still have the basis of a very good team like we had last year.

back to basics.
Ferry in for Prutton
Ritchie on the left
Sheehan at left back.
Frampton in at CB for SM
Caddis right back
And possibly Ball uptop with Austin or get in another striker as VP and Dossevi aren't the answer.

                                             Smith/Lucas
Caddis           Cuthbert                                          Frampton           Sheehan

JPM               Douglas                                           Ferry                 Ritchie

                              Austin                        Ball/AN Other

Yes things are crap and we're losing to the shit teams but if we can address that then we will be good to move on.

Don't disagree. It was an indication that I'm struggling to disentangle the fury and embarrassment from a rational assessment, not having a pop at you.

I'm only 17. But trust me I've still sat through my fair share of shite at Swindon. 00/01, 05/06 and 08/09 spring to mind.

I'll entertain the notion of Wilson being sacked for the purposes of conversation...

Who would you realistically appoint?

But cox can score from outside the area and is playing in the premiership

Ergo you lose :D

i love watching swindon however i knew this was always going to be a challenge, we've had a massively indifferent season and we are playing against a team who are in very good form at their level, winning is a habit no matter which level your at.

We've have seemed to forgotten how to win though :)

Austin player/manager.

Fair enough

That'll do me.

Let your rage out Paul. It'll make you feel better. You can deny it/blame it on alcohol tomorrow.

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Yeovil Red.

Alan Reeves.

IF Frampton is the answer and IF AN Other up front is the answer, that's a bloody good team.  How the fuck are we in this mess?

Txts on radio saying Pardew in, Wilson out. End of debate then :)

Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hahahah

What i would say, is that cup upsets happen...leeds beat man utd at old trafford last year...2 leagues difference!

I'm one of wilson's biggest fans but even i'm losing patience now. Didn't go tonight but it sounds as though crawley wanted it much more and that is unforgivable. Also the tactics were so negative, going down to 10 men is not an excuse to stop playing, especially at home against a team 2 divisions lower than you. Wilson has a lot of questions to answer and we need to see a response at oldham, otherwise i would say his time is probably up.

some were even slating Smith. going by the radio he was our MotM

Jan Åge Fjørtoft for manager.

(Actually I would still give Wilson time, but Jan is a god)

Personally bar Austin i would like to see AN other in most departments.

Cos we lack motivation - who can you blame for that?

Difficult to know without tracking down someone who went. Did anyone from the TEF actually go?!

Chris Hughton it is then? Fitton loves his Newcastle connections, money kinnear

Rhetorical question of course...however, I hope you're wrong, but fear you may be right.

Is it motivation?  or intelligence, desire, character from the players.  Why should a manager have to motivate the players to go and bash a conference team at home?  I can't blame Wilson for this one whatever Phil Smith said about the pitch not suiting our style.

We still near the playoffs, I would give Wilson til the new year but the fat lady must be tuning up! I am not joining the Wilson out brigade just yet.he did a great job last year. If we still make the playoffs he will be god again. We are lacking a leader

Austin is not better than Cox.

Austin will go for 1.5 max.

why are we comparing Austin and Cox on a Wilson out thread.

Fjørtoft went for less. so is cox better than him?

You're aware that was 15 fucking years ago yeah?

Nothing will change and we'll keep having to put up with this shit until the defence gets sorted... Frampton may not be the answer, therefore where the hell does that leave us? Scrapping to stay in league one?

We're a bloody mess & I'd be surprised to see Wilson here come January if this continues.

And also that our board at the time were a bunch of morons who opted to take any money they could, as they realised they couldn't afford him out of the Premier? This was pre-parachute payments remember!

Ryan Giggs

The whole team were shit tonight Luci. Incredibly shit. Relegation from league one shit.

Perhaps the Wilson out texts are an overreaction but witnessing that game would do that to someone.

I'm firmly in the "Wilson In" camp at the moment, principally as he has done well overall in the previous 2 seasons, and I think we're all being too fickle about this.

Austin is scoring our goals, if Fitton sells him in January, it doesn't matter who comes in - we're screwed! Danny hasn't been given the money to just "buy a team" as Crawley have, and neither would/will any replacement.

Frampton being snowed in makes me question his desire... At this stage in his career he should have the spirit of Lawrence Oates!

oh please

I am just popping out for a moment.

I may or may not be joking. You decide.

I thought Frampton was cup tied and not eligible anyway for today? So where's the problem?

Frampton would have made fuck all difference, that's the problem.

Gordon Greer on the other hand...

(sorry I'm so negative right now I thought I was turning into Dave).

Incidentally, is the "Wilson Out" question being asked because people believe he is issuing directives and the players are ignoring them for whatever reason OR do people believe he's not issuing the right directives and is therefore shit?

Sectioning out the defence, I believe this is not Danny's fault. Danny will not have chosen to lose Greer any more than he did Cox or Austin Paynter (Freudian slip there or what!!), and any manager can work in training as much as you like, but if something's not sticking for the players what can he do?

Lack of battlehard experience perhaps? Even on Saturday Morrison just "gave" the ball to Wednesday's striker (was his name Johnson)? If it weren't for Smith performing well to take the ball from his feet we might have been moaning about that, but as no goal came from it (that time) people quickly forget as we won!

Danny's attempting to rectify this by bringing in Frampton, and personally I think he's doing the right thing (and best he can, he obviously can't just go "buy" a player unfortunately!)

Something aint right that's for sure for example just how badly does Morrison have to play before he gets dropped, LJF aint the answer but Morrisons been rubbish for ages now but just seems untouchable...... there just seems to be blind faith at the moment accross the whole playing front.

Wilson really shouldn't be given the boot. I think you've definitely got to look at the one season Everton almost got relegated to see how a board can be rewarded for sticking with a decent manager in David Moyes.

Morrison's a good player, he just doesn't have the 5+ years of league football experience you look for, when asking a player to fulfil the role we as a club are asking him to do.

He's bound to cock up and make mistakes at his age, and he's not a fast player so those mistakes get exposed.

He's been embarrassingly shit for weeks now though, he should have been 'rested' a few a games ago for his own good and good of the team. As I said blind faith that 'it will come good' is my main concern.

Is Ferry still not match fit? Baffling how he wasn't brought on in my opinion

Indeed. Ferry is twice the player Timlin is and also the first player I would put in when Douglas is missing. Not sure what is going on there.

It's all very bizarre, certain players are almost untouchable and others don't seem to get a look in

Apparently he is fit, but just isn't first (or now it appears even second choice).  It sort of begs the question as to why he was bought?

There definitely seems to be something a bit odd going on and as mentioned in the matchday thread it looks as if there is some sort of rift developing with specific players.  That is no good for anyone.

Oh Danny Boy ....

As said before we have lost two very winnerable cup games Brentford/Crawley both at home. If Fitton is going to be consistent then Danny is a gonner before January.

Same format again then, Shirty/Bodin step in for 8-9 matches, we tumble into the relegation zone and fight for our lives to stay in Division One.

What a fucking shite season, but this is Swindon Town we are following.

Crawley were always going to have a chance to beat us, hence why it was put on TV in the first place.

I don't think we should sack DW just yet, but he definately needs to grow some balls and drop individuals that aren't performing. He dropped Lucas, and there's definately some more players that need dropping.

I wonder how many people wanted Danny out after saturdays game?

Wilson's problem is he has his favourites even if they are shite, he plays them because he believes they just need games to come good.

LUCAS- Shit most of the season but stood by him, despite last season Smith doing well, Lucas got the shirt back right away, same this season, it wasnt until the fans started turning on Wilson he made the change. DOnt get me wrong Lucas was brilliant last season and to be fair I am gutted he lost his form.

PRUTTON - No where as good as Ferry, We sign Ferry and he doesnt get a game, Why? He is a lot better than Prutton. We should ahve used the money for Ferry on a CB if he isnt going to be played. Ferry is better than Prutton and Timlin

PERICARD -Rubbish player but always gets picked regardless of how shit he is

O'BRIEN -Runs but that is about it, whenever healthy plays but contributes nothing at all to the team

When fans question him he has a go and says get behind the team. Well the team isn't working so something needs to change.

Way too early for this type of thread.

We are 8 points behind Charlton and 5 points off 2 teams in the play-offs. Ok, losing to a non-league team in the cup is embarrassing but non-league isn't as cack as it used to be anymore, Crawley are a professional team with decent players remember.

In 10-15 games time, when we are nearer the end to the start of the season if we are 20 points away from the play-offs and staring a relegation battle in the face, then is the time to question the management. At the moment the consistency is frustrating but chopping and changing isn't the answer IMO.

the team needs money spending on it,or a manager capable of polishing turds.
fittons transfer policy hasn't worked,and the replacement players aint equal to those who left.
the club is stable off the pitch,but stale as fuck on it.

im 50/50 on this
if he was to go, i would like to see someone like Tisdale..

And please fuck phil smith off, hes bald and shit

i also will probably get slated for this, but the players like ritchie etc, who he has got in on loan again, why didnt he sign them up permnanently in the summer, now teams like millwall are sniffing around ritchie...

Thatll be the phil smith that kept us in the game then?

That shit has spread from youre arse to the keyboard ;)

Phil Smith bobbled the ball yes but he has hardly been shit and has kept us in games.

I can live with getting knocked out of the FA Cup. I can put up with losing to a non league side. At Home.
What I can't accept is getting absolutely fucking battered at home to a non league side. 2-3 flattered us.

Look who's knocked us out of the cups: Brentford (Home) L Orient (Home) Crawley Town (Home) fucking disgraceful even Wilson's wife would have trouble defending that record.

Sorry, I quite like Wilson but he ain't doing it. Not a knee jerk reaction, simply think he's done all he can with us. We look disorganised, un motivated (unless we play southampton or Sheff weds) tactically naive, players out of position and sunday league defending.

We need a fresh look at things, we are fine off the pitch and think we could attract a Tisdale or maybe even a Pardew. One thing's for sure Wilson has to go, now.

That Phil Smith statement must be a late contender for "TEF Shittest Comment of the Year 2010"

Haha, shut up Fola.

ive never liked him, entitled to an opinion arent i

Not according to B3nny you ain't..

:D

Could you be quiet please. I don't recall giving you permission to type.

Ritchie's value is much lower now than it was in the summer. Portsmouth have realised he isnt up to their level and want to sell. So you will get slated, because you are talking crap.

The summer transfer window is much harder to deal with than fans give managers credit for. Too long, and goes too far into the season.

Those of us who have backed Danny during recent months are certainly having a tougher time in justifying that support, that's for sure.  We simply shouldn't have lost last night.  Simple as that.  I'd like to see a little more in the way of self-analysis, because we need to know that the management team understand the reasons for the team's poor showing and that they are clear about the steps that need to be taken to turn things around.  Sounding off about Crawley's tactics last night - while understandable - doesn't really get us anywhere.  It also demonstrates that we played in to the hands of/were outsmarted by a non-league outfit...and that really isn't good.

Are we starting to see what fans of his former clubs were saying?

I seem to remember Hartlepool fans going on about, strange subs, players out of position, favourites...

:)

Needn't worry about/call for Pardew anyway (for those who were):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/9267960.stm

didnt pardew take charlton and west ham down when he managed in the prem?
i hope newcastle get relegated now, that fat cunt ashley doesnt have a clue

I still don't want to see Wilson sacked. I think he'll come good again. But for the first time ever yesterday I plain couldn't be assed to go. I can see how fans fall out of the habit.

Crawley results come along every now and then. Actually too frequently.

The thing that pi**es me off is the missed oppertunity to kick on from last season, both on and off the pitch (increasing the fan base).

In my mind I know Wilson is a good manager. I know two seasons are rarely the same and I know this is the price we were always likely to pay for getting gubbed by Millwall at Wembley. We will recover.

In my heart I'm wondering will it ever get good for us (promotion to championship) again. Everything seemed right and in place for another good season, but it went so wrong.

Erm, not sure what I'm going on about. But make it stop. Grow some bollocks and win some games.

Thaat is all.

Thanks Batch, I've been trying to work out how I feel all morning and I think you've just nailed it for me.

I was hoping we'd do what Millwall did: heartbreak at Wembley spurring them on with greater resolve to get out of this league. That hasn't happened, and it annoys me somewhat. And i'm blaming all parties involved.

Agree with every word of that.  Excellent post.

i can't see wilson doing better than he did last season.he wont get the chance long term as pressure from fans will see him sacked eventually anyway.
 he has to take the majority of the blame as he's signed players in different areas to where key players have gone from, and it's backfired.
the formations have been changed to accomodate players, and that aint worked either.
we have gone backwards so are not going progressing as we should.
i'd give wilson till the end of the season as it's over for us now anyway.see how things go between now and then,and fitton should make a decision in the summer.

i still maintain that fitton has to shoulder some of the flack too, for this season failings.

wilsons contract is until the summer anyway isnt it? if they just let it expire does that techinically mean he hasnt been sacked?

Why are so many people saying are season is over? If we (somehow) manage to beat Oldham on Saturday we are potentially 2 points off the play-off places.

We were never going to win the FA Cup (although it would have been nice to have had a crack at Derby) anyway.

Last season was great, has Wilson turned into a bad manager overnight?

because we have shown no signs at all of a promotion push.
we've looked a mid table side since the outset and that wont change

It was bloody awful last night, listening from a distance, so what it must have been like for the hardyfew at CG I just can't imagine.  And clearly, however much we might long to believe it, this was not a one-off result.  There have been too many similar results this season.  But in the passion of our disppointment, there does seem to be a need for some dispassionate, objective analysis.  I do not know much about the technical side of football.  Like most fans, I know what I want to see......quality football and STFC winning everything.

So what has been going on?  I think a number of things....
a)  We over-achieved last season.  My memory is that there were a lot of occasions, especially at the beginning and the end of the season when the reports were that we had played really badly, but scraped one or three points.  That points, pretty obviously, to having had a better defence.  So the Greer debate is a real one for this season.  We don't know who was responsible for Greer's departure.  

b)  The display in the Play-off final was extraordinarily poor.  Why could the players not motivate themselves for the biggest match of the season against one of the (obviously) better teams in the division?

c)  We lost Paynter and Ward as well as Greer.  Would Paynter have stayed?  I don't think so.  It was always going to be hard to replicate what Ward did for us.  Clearly, without entering the Pericard debate, neither he nor Dossevi have replaced Paynter, nor has Ritchie yet had the effect on the team that Ward did.

d)  We bought potentially strong players (and we all agreed on this when they arrived) in Caddis, Ferry and Prutton, and Ball looked like a good loan signing.  But three of the four have not had regular outings so far, and although Ferry obviously knew the team, the other two did not.  They have to be given proper competitive time.  Caddis is good enough to be considered for Scotland (and even in the straits that Scotland find themselves in, that makes him a worthwhile punt), so.....

e)  Douglas appears to be struggling (like lots of cricket captains), to be both the talisman of the team and the captain.

f)  We have palyed and beaten most of the best teams in our Division, and done so reasonably convincingly.  That suggests to me at least that we have quality players, who CAN get it together and can challenge for promotion. (Remember Spurs had a really poor start last season, and look now....)  But we are also losing to less good teams, who do not play attractive football.  I don't have the technical knowledge to suggest why that should be, but it can't be rocket science....

My guess is that there IS some sort of dressing room problem, and that maybe DW has a managerial problem with motivationwhen, overall, things are not going well.  Last season it was good because we were basically going upwards.  This season we are struggling.  I am certainly not joining the Wilson Out voices, simply because I think he has got what it takes when we are successful, and because we have a potentially excellent team that can bring success AND excellent quality football.  BUT....if my analysis is anywhere near right, then there are questions to be asked.

Who is to say that won't change. Are you mystic meg?

I can understand the frustration (although I don't go to as many games as you lot) but who thought half way through last season we would end up at Wembley?

Maybe I am being overly positive for once. God only knows why!

half way through last season we were 6th with 41 points. (and had a game in hand on all the teams around us)

even if we won our next 4, we'd only hit 36 points after 23 games.

Not saying he has, but it's not overnight is it?

Where've you been Dave? We've missed you x x

Maybe not the right thread, but what concerns me is this. If our best and most consistent player is someone who just over 12 months ago was plying his trade in the Wessex League, what the hell is happening with those more experienced professionals who have previously played at a higher level?

They got found at those levels, and are now being found out at this level as part of slow graceful decline down the leagues?

Its probably less about talent and more about character.

Austin's a grafter because, well he's actually been a grafter. He wants it more than anyone else in our team.

They should all go laboring with Charlie dad on their day off, seen the how the rest of us live, the soft cunts.

Absolutely right. And if that happend my clouds of doom will lift and everything will be well with the world of football again!

Got to sort out the shambles at the back and keep hold of Austin for that to happen mind :)

Yeah - instead of paintballing!  :D

It is since yesterday.

That's a very good point. I might have misread your original post which I thought was comparing "He took us to the play-offs last season" with "Not become a bad manager over night". My apologies.

My posts often have deep hidden meanings.

You'll do well to be careful in future.

This is the best post this season IMO.

I'll certainly bear that in mind. Not least as an excuse to use myself when I post something which doesn't on the face of it make a whole lot of sense :)

  FWIW, it was pretty obvious we'd lose once Douglas got sent off....the only surprise being that it wasn't on pens.

 I've said before there's very little between our lot and the likes of Crawley....so a close game was was always likely....playing with 10 men for 75 mins tipped the balance.

 DW now joins the roll call of shame of managers I've seen lose to NL sides....Bert Head, Danny Williams, Lou Macari, Steve McMahon and Maurice Malpas.  However only one chairman has 2 of these on his CV....

 No-one much cares about the FA Cup anymore, as evidenced by a sub 3000K gate...fucking about closing stands and allowing Crawley to wear red.

 I was pleasantly surprised we didn't lose there on live TV....but no longer feel any sense of hurt from such a result....on to Oldham, bit of a graveyard, undefeated at home this season, you'd have to be a loon to expect a win.

There are 5 loons on the prediction league then.

We will win Reg. Write it down :nod:

You might as well include it on your sig line now then.

e)  Douglas appears to be struggling (like lots of cricket captains), to be both the talisman of the team and the captain.

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I thought Douglas looked very out of sorts last night, Crawley had a man on him all the time and he got increasingly frustrated, he had caught one of their players just before and when he over-ran the ball he flew into the tackle. Either he was getting frustrated and thought I'll nail them or was trying to sort out Crawley and try and impose himself. It was a bit reckless when we were 2-1 up and in 1st half injury time

In a strange way it might do Douglas the world of good. We rushed him back after his broken toe and he picked up a secondary injury with his groin. He didn't look fit against and could hardly move by the end of the game but he has enough about him to sit in there and win tackles. Maybe 2-3 weeks off for him to get the niggling injuries out the way and come back re-charged.

We looked very flat last night and seemed reluctant to try and get the ball down and play, Crawley won all the secondary play but were prepared to go at us. If you compare us when down to 10 men against Plymouth in the home league game then clearly there are some problems. It needs some fresh faces and for Wilson to decide his best team and stick to it.

Dreaded vote of confidence from Fitton?

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/headlines/8726814.Danny_s_our_man/

Should really have read the other thread first....

Danny Wilson is rock solid at STFC. A lot of the problems this season are either bad luck, or due to the sustainable development program of the board.

By that I dont mean to criticise the board at all. But when we say we want to invest in young players, if we go and buy an experienced centre back to replace Greer, then what is the point of investing all that time and effort on a youth set up with the likes of the Sean Morrison's? Its not the policy of the club.

And if we had a manager like Sturrock, who gets his teams to sit on midfields and kill a game then yes we might be 4 or 5 places up the league. But we wouldnt have hit the heights we did last season. You wouldnt have seen that classic PO game against Charlton at the CG, and you wouldnt have seen us put 6 goals past Leeds United. Rough with the smooth, show some loyalty!

Exactly....it's fairly obvious, that Wilson is carrying out the policy of the Board, which means we'll tend to be inconsistent. It could be 10 years before this comes to anything...

Although Sturrock got us promoted I couldn't stand his brand of football - it was so fucking boring and we only just scraped over the finishing line. Under Wilson I've seen the best football since Hoddle was here. Although I'm pretty fed up at the moment I'm still loyal to Wilson. If we could get the defence sorted we could go on a decent run but as it is, its one step forward and one step back. The joys of being a Town fan.

I agree totally Chalkie. And seeing as how we got to the play off final last year, I don't see why it should take another 10 to get there again Reg. I think you're being a bit overly pessimistic there..most unlike you ???

Ah none of us follow Swindon Town for the glory... Just the hope.

But we didn't make it last season....close but not close enough, even had we made it, would we as a club been sorted enough to sustain it for any length of time....getting the CG sorted has to happen before we can start to see some sustainable progress.

Just out of interest if we did get relegated would you advocate staying loyal to Wilson and let him have a go at getting us back up?

No, I think if we are relegated then he will have lost the plot (Barring an absolute disaster in terms of injuries).

But he 100% deserves the chance to restore pride this season, and Im very confident he will, and we'll be stronger for it next season.

Thats fair enough but I guess my main concern is just how close to relegation we'd let him take us

I can handle disappointment. It's the hope I can't stand.

He deserves that faith.

Besides, youve got no guarantees we would get anyone better. Wilson is part of the fabric of the club now, we would have to be certaintees for relegation to sack him before the end of the season.

Any supporter who calls for his head before then is just harming the chances of the club.

I can't really see how getting up to the Championship and staying there is dependent on the development of the County Ground. Colchester managed to get up there whilst still playing at Layer Road. Unlike Layer Road, whilst the CG is not the greatest stadium around, you can still get 15,000 in there which surely whould be enough to sustain survival at that level until it does get redeveloped (which is of course essential in the long term)

Have you seen what the corporate packages cost? Works out cheaper than a normal match ticket some games.

The corporate facilities are improved but still low standard in my opinion.

Agreed. Talk of getting rid of Wilson is total fucking bollocks. There's a pretty fine between being a mid-table side and one going for the play offs or even automatic promotion. I've said all along that we're not far from being a very good side and I stand by that.

You are right we are not far off but we are still off and that has to be down to Wilsons signings. I actually think he will turn it round but i can genuinly understand why some fans are miffed with him at the moment.

I don't understand him sometimes.

I think he'll turn it around as well, but my faith in the team and the manager was almost diminished completely after the last game. Up there with Histon, only difference is that Malpas never got us playing like Wilson has previously, which is why I'm prepared to give Wilson plenty more time.

We have to have sources of funding outside of match days, this is the reason why we sell players. There's still no guarantee with a redevelopment that this would generate funds, but it would certainly help.

Brian Clough's stock answer to when he was ever asked how things were going as manager
of Nottingham Forest,was "Surviving".

I'd suggest that only Fergie or Wenger can ever really feel totally secure.

Hopefully with a change of fortune,Danny will look less like a manager under pressure on the touchline,than of late.

We might end up with another Malpas if Wilson gets sacked, knowing our luck

Paul Trollope, should be available shortly...

played 106, lost only 28

enough said

Danny Wilson, better manager.

Enough said.

Wilson should be manager for the forseeable future. I just want to see us with a long term manager and in wilson i think we have a good manager

I've been a bit quiet in this thread because I didn't really want to get slated by the regulars. They can be a bit scary.

Wilson has to go. His record since around March(ish) or whenever it was when we had that last ace win, is shit at worst and inconsistent at best. You can excuse him with having to live with Fitton's transfer policy as much as you want, but let's be honest, calling that a handicap is pushing it, he's still better off than most of the managers in our league.

So with a stable club, with a pretty good average attendance, we should be pushing towards the top of the league. As I said before, he can complain about us selling Greer etc. But he's better off than most the managers in the league, and we have a better squad.

He only knows how to play one way, when it doesn't work he gets lost. Time for change.

You wanna quote those figures for the last 50 games? Can't think it'll look so impressive.

Exactly.

The retards are out in force tonight!

Wilson to stay!

Actually looking at it the last 50 league game figures look pretty good (23w 15d 12l) as it takes in that period in the third quarter of last season when we had a great run.

The last 25 league games look a bit shit though: 7w 9d 9l.

Quite agree Crispy

The only thing that worries me is that we end up in the same position as City did. A decent budget, reasonable support, thinking "we're not far off, maybe next season", and suddenly 4 years have gone by and you're still in the same division.

From what bit's I've seen, and from the reports and reaction on here I've read, it doesn't sound like it's just a sticky patch where we've been unlucky.

Against all that, Wilson seems to want to play the game in the right way, and seems to know a player when he sees one, and I'd only want him replaced if there was a genuinely better replacement lined up.

He might like playing the right way, but how ever sexy that is I'm sure it doesn't include losing to Crawley at home.

Sexy like porn with a sexy lady who suddenly gets her foot long penis out.

It wasn't porn sexy against Crawley...

I'm sure that if you interpreted what I said on enough levels you might get to what I meant. Or possibly not.

Ahh right, I thought you would find the foot long penis thing incredibly sexy

I would if I could see it. Jesus my eyesight is getting bad.

Who wouldn't find a foot long penis sexy?

Next game is a must win.

Just remember Malpas went in similar circumstances.

Yes, Wilson got us to Wembley, however this season has been absolute cunt.

The difference in my opinion between Wilson and Malpas is this. Wilson is a good manager having a poor season. Malpas was a poor manager having an average season.

Realise not everyone agrees.

Grecians (a), Posh & Bournemouth (h) and then Addicks (a) in 8 days could be siginificant.

No it has not tans...the season up to know has ;)

The January transer window will be key. Get it right, we could make a push for top 6, get it wrong (and maybe lose Austin) then Wilson is in trouble.

If we bomb and get 2 draws and 2 defeats, we could be in the bottom 4 and I'd not be so sure Wilson would be calling any shots in January except of a "trading down" nature

On the other hand we're playing 4th, 5th 8th & 9th, so some good results could see a trip to Oldham in 7th the following week take on a positive significance and colour Fitton & Co's outlook on what to allow Wilson.

Subject as always to the "luck" and "uncertainty" factors.

Not at all.  They have lost once at home this season so a point would be a pretty good result, they will be deserved favourites.

Bit sad that things have come to this.

Isn't it too late to sack him?  Any incoming manager within the next x games wouldn't have a chance to assess the squad, make decisions on who stays/goes and then get replacements in within the window.  Stick with him as this league is proper shite so will only take a small run to turn the season around and push on towards the play-offs.

Same time of year as when Wilson took over

I don't think it would take many decent managers long to identify we can't defend for toffee.

I'm on the fence regarding whether he stays or goes as can't think who id want as replacement.  Saying that, it's been over 4 months since the season started and were still as inconsistent as ever. Last season I often expected a win/draw but this season I tend to be airing on the side of negativity and expecting us to lose.

When you lose 2 big players and dont replace them...you are in trouble.
For me Wilson's big mistake is thinking/hoping that Pericard would fill the boots of Paynter..he hasn't.
For me players like JPM,Douglas,Prutton,Ball,Ritchie,Sheehan have all been so inconsistant its untrue.
Every one knows i am a big Morrison fan....he has struggled lately yet i still think he is a massive plus for us in future games.
Lets not forget that Austin was out for a month on the back of a great win v Saints.
For me the lack of motivation for the bread and butter games is worrying...the next four matches will be interesting to say the least.

Don't  know about that, Ferguson lost Ronaldo and Tevez, yet still won the Carling Cup.

The other guys have just got to step up to the plate...in our case Morrison and er um Pericard.

Morrison has done probably what the management wanted and put himself in the shop window to command a fee, and we haven't been short on goals, in fact we've scored half a dozen more with Vince leading the line than at the same stage with BP up there.

Our problem this season has been an accumulation of small things going wrong at bad times..that's the sort of shit that can happen....

I've just come to the conclusion that we won't make the play-offs and we wont go down. Wilson is going to be here at the end of the season anyway.

SACK HIM NOW BEFORE WE GET RELEGATED.

give the job to Paul Buckle or else we will get lumbered with some other s**t manager from the sacked managers merry go round

Fuck off.

wilson?

that confused me. I was trying to merge and somebody already did it.

danny wilson has done nothing

he has reached the same point as when he was at city.

get someone new young and fresh and give them a go otherwise we will end up with someone s**t like gary megson

what about chris hughton ??

Just took us to a playoff final?

Irrelevent now London imo.

hughton can still do a job in the premier league and he would never be interested in coming here...
Gary Johnson as replacement IMO

Agree. Play off final is long gone!

back to reality now! last season was a one off

Agree to an extent DRS, and if it hadn't been for that think he'd have been gone by now. Just think its a little harsh to say he's done nothing.

However, the last month - charlton aside - has been fucking dire.

we should be in the top three not the bottom three (well if we not in it yet we will be soon)

especially with morrison gone and austin going

Interesting that this Thread was started on 7 December.  We are in a far far worse position now.  Surely there can't be many left who believe that Wilson should be given longer?  This is dire now and if Wilson can't get the team playing with some fight in a 6 pointer like today then his time here is done.  

Fitton needs to act now or there's no doubt in my mind we'll be playing League 2 football next season.  That's not going to do much for the club being in profit and being run successfully off the pitch and the plans for a new stadium.

People will still defend him but don't see how they can anymore, Should have been sacked last week IMO but needs to go now without a shadow of a doubt.

he cant motivate the players, not that they should need motivating.

we are selling players and need to get players in fast, he changes the team to often and we need stability.

and some decent forwards now that austin will be going which leaves us with big vince and dossevi

they aint gonna keep us up !!!!!!!

we are now twelve points of the playoffs if we win four on the bounce we might get back in the mix but thats not gonna happen is it !!!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

We were 5 points off the play offs for ages and look what's happened since then!

Strange thing, I sadly work with a Bristol Shitty supporter, after the play-offs he said we would be in trouble this year, they have always said Wilson is a one-season wonder - and apart from his time at Barnsley it is certainly beginning to look like that.  Incidentally, I told my colleague to fuck off, wonder who will be laughing now!

A number of people have raised this previously.  It really is starting to look like Wilson got a bit lucky last season, especially as we were the underdogs most of the time.  Towards the end of the season, when it was clear to all we weren't such an underdog, we started to struggle.  It's just carried on into this season.

i agree in the fact he has done the same as when he wasat city, and i think now is the time to get rid of him, unless we go on a run without winning in the next four or five games we will avoid relegation, so give someone new the chance to turn us around before the season ends and that will give them a heads up on next season.

Have you voted for Sonny?

It's a shame as Wilson seems like a really good bloke.

But he's out of ideas, and the players seem totally unmotivated.

Time for a change.

tend to agree. he doesn't exactly come across like the man with the plan does he?

 :D

Danny Wilson is a really nice bloke , i was doing my fa coaching badge and wrote to the club to ask if i could attend a training session to watch there methods etc, not expecting a reply i had a letter signed by Danny saying he would be more than happy for me to attend and to arrange it with his secretary.

i attended he was a really nice bloke and said i could go back any time and watch them train and just to e-mail his secretary so he could keep a eye out to see me there.

and yes i have voted for sonny  :D

Most of the current players, and I use the term "players" loosely, are not fit to wear the fucking shirt.

No pride or passion has been shown by most of them for the best part of the season. Jumped up bunch of over paid, over rated pricks who could not give a toss about the club, or their performances.

Most of them seem far more interested in what colour boots they are going to wear and whether or not they clash with their hairstyle. (Except Phil Smith)

I feel sorry for Wilson, as I really do think that long term he is the man for the job, (who else is there?) and this current bunch of tossers would have the same attitude to the game regardless of who was in the dugout.

If I had the same attitude to my job as this lot, I would have been fucked long ago.

Bunch of Cunts, Fuck the lot of them.

I don't think the problem is the players it's the manager, They probably don't want to play for him anymore which doesn't help things but i think things would improve if Wilson was to go.

The lack of passion from the players is distressing. But there is something generally very wrong. Tbh (and this is the first time I've admitted/realised this) I can't see Wilson turning it around.

i do think a lot of it is all down to the players attitude and they give the attitiude they cant be arsed.

Wilson is generally picking the best eleven players he has.

I cant see him turning it around, losing to Crawley was a embarrasment and losing today is just another nail in the coffin.

i think he would be a good director of football because i do believe he cares for the club

I'm at a stage where I wouldn't lose sleep if Wilson was sacked.

Yep, time to go Wilson - I've backed him all the way until today.....that was a disgrace. For about the 100th game in a row we've not started until 15/20mins into the game, exactly what does he say in that dressing room prior to players walking out onto the pitch???? Nothing to inspire it seems.

My only fear is who's would be appointed in his place? There are lot of shit managers waiting in the wings... and Fitton has employed a twat like Malpas in the past, so who knows.

God I'm depressed.  :suicide: Another Saturday evening ruined....

My mate came out with some stat in relation to how many games we've won since beating Leeds away 3-0 last season, I can't be arsed to find it out but its something stupid like 9 wins in 30... (I know thats not the right, but its something equally as distressing) Reg, you know the correct figure?

I thin a lot of it is down to players confidence too. Good players are looking nervous and going missing.

The problem is we won't build that confidence while conceding 2 or 3 a game. This needs new player(s).

Wilson isn't as stupid as people make out. He knows he needs a more solid defence. He knows he needs a striker (or two if Austin goes). The questions are a) will he be allowed to sign what he needs and b) Will he get the right men.

I think he might. Most seem to disagree. We'll see.

A few beers will soon cheer you up

Malpas wasn't a twat... He just wasn't very good! We can't call for the managers head and not trust the chairman to replace him.

I suppose you could argue that the two January signings are future investments and therefore not Wilson's. I expect him to stay.

One thing is for sure, relegation must not be allowed to happen!

10/34 if you count the playoff semi and final (Lost 15, drew 9). League games only.

May have miss counted but is should be there abouts.

Yes they certainly will.... I've got a child to bathe first, once he's done I'm cracking open a shed load of ale.... If a get any grief from the missus, I'll simply tell her that it was your idea.  :D


Fuck me, thats not good. I'm even more depressed and I don't think I've got enough beers to smother it. Although I think there's some cooking sherry in the cupboard.

Danny Wilson nice, Sir Alex Ferguson cunt. I know which one I'd rather have.

9 seems about right 10 counting PO.  You're right to raise this point, I'm sure AF wont have been tapping up a manager to be in place for Tuesday, unless it's Paul Trollope...and now isn't really the time for a new man to come in with new players, contracts and the Austin saga to be dealt with.

Much better to stick by Wilson, as he is capable of turning this around, see where we're at come early May.

Agree......anyway this time next week we will be lauding over six points from the last two games :D

although getting beat today was no surprise,i can't see us going on a run anytime soon.
we will win a few games i'm sure, but we look like we will lose more than we win, with a few draws too.nothing changing from our current seasons form.
austin is all but gone so a forward will be a must and difficult to find.

if we hadn't of made the play offs last season, wilson would have been sacked by now.

No problem with that. Just tell her I said "It works for me"

I'm not looking forward to the B'mth game with this current form

I would be very disappointed if we hired Paul Trollope.

Gary Johnson seems the type who could sort these players out.

is he still here?

If that is true it says more about the players than Wilson.Dont want to play for him?Then they are immature wankers who need to fucking grow up!

if we hire trollop the board want shooting.

Gary Johnson would be a good appointment.

If he's going to leave he must go now, not after January when a new man has no chance of bringing anyone in.

Johnson/Trollope/whoever would not get us far up the table with the current side - it needs new bodies and fast. The problems would still remain.

Yeah....cause he had a fantastic record at Peterborough for a good defence!!  :doh:

Whilst I am severely p1ssed off with Wilson for seemingly having no answers to this terrible run of form, unless we could get someone in of real quality I dont see any point in jumping to sack him, it would certainly lead to knee jerk signings which may not work out.

COME ONE WILSON PULL YOUR FINGER OUT!!!!

If he does go (which I don't want to happen) then Paul Trollope shouldn't be the man to replace him. Gary Johnson or Paolo Sousa.

Trollope would be a major backward step.

What about Luc Nijholt he is helping with th Qatar national team.

He would bring a bit of bite back to the team

Id love to see Nijholt back.

He'd probably still get a game here.

It's too fucking late to sack him now.
We need to just pray that we can muddle through to the end of the season and avoid relegation.

I just hope the board can learn the lessons from the last few years and actually make an investment in a new manager in the summer rather than going for a cheap option again.
 

I'm really depressed and want change but there's no point getting rid of Wilson now, however he should be shown the door in the summer.

There's nothing to be gained by off loading him now unless he has 'lost the dressing room'. The failures are there for all to see; we should have picked up an experienced centre back as soon as Greer went.

If we get rid of Wilson now we'll have to pay up his contract and be forced into a rushed appointment of someone else who will keep us up but won't get us promoted. One thing is likely, we could end having to offer a higher managerial wage and an 18 month contract.

I still think there are lot of teams worse than us and Wilson is good enough to keep us up. But this years performance is the marker to say if Mr Fritton wants to achieve his plan Wilson is not the man.

I say approach Paul Tisdale in the summer.
 

Despite a dire season so far, I want to Wilson in charge until the end of the season (just).  But only so long as he brings in the centre back we have been crying out for all season and bolsters other areas of the squad.

If the board is not prepared to back DW by allowing him to strengthen the squad during the next 9 days, they should let him go this evening.  I think we have tried the current formula for long enough to realise that it's not going anywhere (other than down).

yes


and yes

Totally agree

There was a rendition of 'your getting sacked in the morning' after the Rovers 3rd goal. Not a chance.

In hindsight you can really see how crucial Greer leaving was...

Ummm yeah!

 :zipped:

that was fittons call.

Whoever made it, made the wrong call.

No hindsight needed here either.

I guess what Fitton has learnt is you can set rules but one player CAN be that important you might have to bend/break them.

It was an absolute stinker of a decision back then. It just reeks a bit more now.

nope.i was with you at the time saying it was a big loss.

He added so much more to the team than his playing skill.

to be fair to wilson he knew greers value.he opposed his sale.
fitton is a hands on chairman.
if he sacks wilson i'd like him to leave the new manager alone.the sales of certain players wont balance the books when fans desert the club for golf,fishing,turning out for a local side,etc

As I mentioned in a previous post, I think Wilson will stay and just not get his contract renewed, I think a lot of the  Wilson Out^TM party members are swayed by the availability of certain managers, but I don't think too many of the names being mentioned would even apply for the job, Sousa, Johnson etc. This is what worries me, cos I've got a sneaking suspicion that we'd end up with someone pretty bad.

The team needs motivation, organisation and someone to instill confidence... Whats Wise up to these days?  :D

Good News! Changes are on the cards

http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/page/Interview/0,,10341~2273441,00.html

I was the right move, provided he was replaced...he wasn't. therefore, wrong move.  Hindsight is not needed.

Well thank fuck for that.... I'll stick the cork back into the bottle of cookin sherry...all is well.

Let's not be hasty Arch. We don't know what the changes are yet. Carry on as before

Yeah thinking about it Johnson is a bit unrealistic.

Cambridge United, Kettering Town, Latvia, Yeovil Town, Bristol City and Peterborough United.... What makes Gary Johnson a unrealistic option if Wilson left tomorrow? (Which he won't) Or is this a *whoosh* - If so, apologies and oops.

Ok, let the drinking commence!

No whooshing, I just don't think he'd be up for it.... I mean, once you've managed Kettering Town.  :D

Although I didnt think someone like Sturrock would become our manager and he did, and in a division below. I suppose I just don't want another recycled manager.

I'd rather have a manager who is progressing, someone on the way up.

My fear is that the likes of Gary Johnson are no different from Wilson, those on the managerial merry-go-round, managers that have managed at a higher level and failed. They take a job with us just because it's a job.

Think it's pointless swapping Wilson out for another journey-man manager.

To be fair, Holloway was/is a journeyman manager.  Nothing wrong with that if you're winning games.

True, did he ever officially get sacked as he always seemed to be on gardening leave between jobs.

Pretty sure he got sacked from Leicester after sending into the Div 3 for the only time in their history.

Like whom? Tisdale I suppose is one, Gary Waddock?  :sherlock:

Have heard from a couple of people that Wilson is working with his hands tied as regards bringing anyone in-and that it is unlikely that anyoner will come in unless Austin is sold- and then probably will be just loans.

If the board are serious about CCC then you aint gonna get there on the cheap- they need to do something drastic with the manager/playing staff or they will probably lose up to 2000 season ticket holders in the summer.

if that's true then it's fucking ridiculous but yes they will lose a hell of a lot of season ticket holders in the summer.

Wilson did make a comment about money on interview after the game.

Sounded like a dig at the board which probably won't go down well.

I can't remember what he said, no doubt others will. He said about available money having it's own issues, or something like that.

I'm sure you heard this while you were jacking off into your usual bubble of negativity.

We've just spent 150k on a non-league fucking defender, if you think the money's not there for the right player then you're barmy.

Heard it all before though haven't we?

Been mentioned many times, but there's obviously money to spend, I just think there are issues when agents and agent fees are involved, Fitton would rather eat his own faeces than pay any money to those bastards. So this kinda narrows the field a little bit, so any agent touted players tend to get peddled elsewhere.

Yep, every bleeding week...

If someone has the time, I'd put money on him having spent the most since mcmahon, and the most net since gorman. Strangely I want him to stay, because I don't want a shit replacement for the sake of change. But I'd quite like us strolling out under Burley next week, or Tisdale, or even Johnson...because if he can't change his blurb in a bloody interview, do we honestly expect him to inspire the players when they're in a rut like this? I would love to be a club with stable management, with a long term plan, with someone in charge who wants to play good football and isn't a muppet....Wilson is my type of manager. He is clearly the boards too. But there comes a point when you think that it just isn't happening and something needs to give. He still has my backing. I don't think he's doing a good job, but I know he can, because he's shown it, which is more than a lot of the managers about. The board have my backing, because they are the best thing to happen to the club in the last 20 years. They, not Wilson, were the ones who got us Charlie, but they lost Greer...a composed, leader at the back like we hadn't seen in years. I just hope there is another one up their sleeves.

McMahon spent £740,000 in 1995-1996, He then spent £520,000 in 1996-1997 and £950,000 in 1997-1998.

Jimmy Quinn spent a measley £10,000 in 1998-1999 on Charlie Griffin and a mere £65,000 in 1999-2000 on Andy Williams.

Colin Todd & Andy King spent £350,000 in 2000-2001 on Gary Alexander & Steve Robinson.

King then spent nothing in 2001-2002.

In 2002-2003 Roy Evans & Andy King combined spent nothing.

In 2003-2004 King spent £73,600 on Sebastien Ruster & Rory Fallon, Plus Opara for an undisclosed fee.

In 2004-2005 King spent £120,000 on Jerel Ifil & Christian Roberts.

In 2005-2006 King & Onoura combined spent nothing.

In 2006-2007 Wise & Sturrock combined spent £60,000 on Brezovan.

In 2007-2008 Sturrock bought McGovern & Paynter for undisclosed fee's somewhere in the region of £250,000 for both of them and Malpas paid around £200,000 for Cox and around £50,000 for McNamee.

In 2008-2009 Malpas bought Mark Marshall & Yinka Casal for undisclosed fee's so around £100,000 as i think Casal cost around £75,000.

In 2009-2010 Wilson spent £100,000 on Cuthbert and Austin for up to £50,000.

This season Wilson has spent £200,000-£250,000 on Ritchie, £350,000 on Ferry & Caddis and now up to £150,000 on Flint.

So there you go Moonraker, Wilson has spent the most since McMahon easily.

Except half of that you don't actually know the amounts spent, so you've guessed them. And you've made no effort to allow for the inflation in transfer fees since the 90s. And, as I keep saying, money spent is not just fees, you have to look at wages as well to arrive at an overall figure of what manager x spent. And none of us really know that. So it was bit of a futile exercise of guesswork, extrapolation and failing to account for much of the spend and you've proved fuck all.

Apart from that, well done

Some transfer's were undisclosed fee's but i know we paid £200,000 for Cox and between £50,000-£100,000 for McNamee, Some of it was guesswork but the majority of it is factual.

Every second word is "around" or "undisclosed"... As pauld says, proves nothing. How many free transfers took a signing-on fee for example?

But Evans' signing of that fat useless fucker Ruddock nearly busted us.

Well you dont because we spent less than that on Cox. I'm sure somewhere at some point Fitton mentioned the actual price in an interview and we were all shocked how low it actually was. Perhaps closer to 150k than 200k

Between 50k and 100k isnt exactly an accurate guess either.

All the fees these days are undisclosed, so its pretty hard to come up with who spent more than who.

The original price was only a down payment, we forked out a lot more when he moved to WBA, this seems to be the way with transfers nowadays, £150,000 for Flint does not include the 20% sell-on clause when he moves on.

Good point but...............Mcmahon inherited a good side...didn't need to spend...instead prefered to sell the quality we had.
But indeed its an interesting set of stats you put before us.

Yeah....it's fine apart from the fact that as Paul pointed out, it's total fucking guess work.

Can you please stop guessing figures  Here are some more accurate figures

Marshall 5k eastleigh
Casal 30k dutch club
Paynter free from Southend
Mcnamee 30k from watford
JP free Franchise
Cox 150k reading

We paid an undisclosed fee for McGovern, right?

No

Are you sure? I swear we paid for Paynter too.

Nope i think people assumed when they were told that Best holdings were funded it that we paid fee's.

We spent a combined £315,000 on transfers in 07/08

What players were actually signed again mate during that year? I can't remember

McGovern
Paynter
Cox
McNamee

The rest were all unattached/bosman deals.

not that I really see the point in this topic/debate but having read it, I'm pretty sure we paid for McGovern.

In respect of Wilson, I think the divide between the fans has come as a result of some (including me) expecting him to turn it around sooner, whereas others have lost patience earlier. Stating the obvious but....
Has he become a 'bad' manager overnight? Unlikely.
Is it easier to manage/give a team-talk to a winning side? Yes.
Has he lost the confidence in himself and the players and thus struggles to manage/motivate a losing side? Yes.
Is he a nearly man and will remain to be so for the rest of his career managing at no higher than League 1 level?Probably.
Onto the question of should he be sacked?....if his contract is up at the end of the season and the board have in mind A N Other to manage us, do they let him loose with some cash in this transfer window bringing in players he wants that the new manager may not fancy?or do they hope we can survive in League 1 with what we have?
I don't know what the answer is (clearly) and I can't see them sacking him or him walking away.So as hard as it is to accept such a decline since last season, lets at least attempt to get positive and get behind whatever team he picks on Tuesday.

McGovern and Paynter were both under contract else where when we signed then, so would have thought we would have had to have paid something.

http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Transfers.asp?Season=2007-2008

suggests fees were paid for both Paynter and JP and the site isn't often wrong

An undisclosed fee could also be £0 anyway.

True enough, but it also means that the handful of people having a tantrum that someone is "making figures up" are also talking out of their respective arses.

Undisclosed fee means exactly that, we don't know and aren't likely to find out anytime soon

Yes, the only thing we can see is how much the total cost of transfers was for a particular season.

Plus, neither signed by Mr. Wilson anyway.

NI can guarantee you i am not talking out my arse.

Unless I've completely misunderstood what you mean, doesn't it actually prove their point? We don't know what the fees are (if any) and aren't likely to find out, so anyone quoting a figure is making it up? I should add I don't really give a flying fuck one way or the other, just curious what your logic is here

I like this.

I do too. Good points, well made.

There's a good few Town 'fans' who will struggle to grasp that concept.

OST hope you are well !

like many others i have found this season one of the most difficult to comprehend in 35 years or so of watching. I think the 3 P's and timing have a lot to do with it, first P is Pericard he joins when Billy and Charlie are flying never gets a run ends up on the outside and its never changed wrong time for him maybe ? second P is Paynter, breaks the partnership, leaves, gets injured now he can hardly get a kick. Last P and I think fundamental to a lot of our problems is Prutton.

Nothing against the man he has some weeks looked the only one that gives a toss but timing is the issue, Simon Ferry was superb last season signs in the belief I am sure that he and Dougie are nailed on for centre mid role, we know we need a defender and another striker. The opportunity to sign Prutton comes along we do it and the timing is the issue it burns the budget for the defender (we start looking for loans instead of a relacement for Greer) and the striker (we panic offer Dossevi on the basis of one game against Forest when the young lad from Millwall had looked classy as against ok, Hereford but he would have been a heck of a lot cheaper) but most importantl we absolutely shatter Simon Ferry's confidence and he is bit part player.

The recent comment from Mr Wilson regarding people being guaranteed a place could be the realisation that actually he backed Prutton for to long as it seems strange that he aws out completely on Tuesday.

Anyway thats my theory

Not me, last chance saloon!

I think we're past that now. Keep Wilson until the summer, but then I hope that Fitton and co might pay for a manager.  Let's fucking buy one.

They seem to be happy to gamble on the young players if means a return, and we're very much a club which are spending and can attract managers.

Let's pay up for Tisdale in the summer

Easily worth it ten times what we'd pay for a player.

It depends on the nature of the defeat (if we lose, I don't think we will). Would you still want him out if we absolutely hammered them, hit the woodwork 4 times, they cleared 3 off the line and were disallowed 2 seemingly good goals? It's hard to want him out when we're not playing badly (last night anyway) but just not getting the breaks.

I still think we should let him have the season. There is no guarantee another manager will get anymore out of the current group of players.

Dear Mr Fitton,
We are now in the relegation zone, have the worst record in the division over the last two months, have spent a lot and sold key players and replaced on the whole with lower rate.
Danny Wilson can obviously not motivate the team any longer, we need a change NOW.
How much longer will you wait?
Some will say look what he did for us last season, but last season is history, I cant think of any club who would have stood by this guy like Swindon, fuck me Malpas was sacked with a better record - you should have changed it straight after the Bristol Rovers defeat but still we go on this run of NO WINS, a new face is what is needed and there are plenty of good managers without jobs at the moment.
I'm fed up of the excuses after every game, change it and Grow Some Balls Mr Fitton.

Rant over from a loyal supporter, this is not a usual post for me to want a managers head, even though I have been in the Wilson out for some time now.

Rubbish.

Really

You go last night?

Nope, did we win?

If you've been to any of the recent games you'll see Danny can still motivate the team.  Yes, we're shipping goals and have players out of form, but you can't say he can't motivate.  Performances have been good.

All other points are fair enough though.

No we didnt, but if you had then you would realise how stupid you look to the fans who did go.

Fuck off. This is one of the reasons the TEF is going down hill. Step back from the keyboard and have a reality check.

If we sack him what good will that do? The transfer window has shut. You call yourself a loyal supporter...

Did Fitton go last night?
He pays for results.

One game of effort (last night) doesn't mean they have been motivated and up for the task over the last two months in my opinion and many others they have not.

Stupid supporter signing off with blinkers removed.

Yes I have been loyally supporting Swindon Town since 1967 and I am not an armchair supporter either, I did miss last nights game which sounds on the whole we performed well.
If my post means the TEF is going down hill then I will of course adjust and toe-the-line and nod my head to my superiors.
Fuck Off yourself.

Yes, I do realise we have plumbed quite a few depths this season. Yes, some the performances at home have been half arsed. I dont know what was going on against Yeovil.

But, theres only 1 way out of this now. Thats behind Danny Wilson. Fitton thinks a lot of Danny Wilson, they get on very well. If the fans force the board to sack Danny Wilson there will be no quick replacement.

Being negative is easy.

I dont think your argument stands up about wilson not being able to motivate the team,Had you gone last night you would have noticed they came out a different side the second half. If danny could't motivate them that would't have happened.

Im not sure if wilson is the man to take us forward but sacking him now will unsettle the team even more. I think a lot people seem to forget we were in the play off final last season, You dont become a shit manager over night and if you listen to any other managers in this league they respect him and will tell you he's a decent manager at this level.

 

Everyone needs to calm down a bit.

There were a fair few arguments between fans last night that looked like they would probably come to blows.

Always seems to happen when your at the bottom, you play well and lose. Short tempers etc.

Wow, reading through this and the matchday thread this morning has been quite frightening.

Sacking Wilson now would just be reactionary. Yes the results are not up to scratch but i fail to see how getting rid of Wilson is likely to cause them to improve. There are no signs that the players don't want to play for him or are unmotivated, and performances on the whole since Yeovil have been good or better, and with a bit of luck here and there we could have beaten Tranmere and certainly Exeter. FFS its only a month since the Charlton game in which we took one of the top 6 sides in the division to the cleaners.

This team is not as bad as the league position would suggest. Yes there are still question marks at the back and with Austin gone a lack of a main goal threat, but let's see how the January signings do and have a bit of faith in AF and DW to turn things around. I have no doubt that we will drag ourselves out of this before too long.

i thought i woulld of woken up this morning to find out he has been sacked !!!!!

what a joke he has had more than enough time , other teams around us have up to four games in hand now, we are in serious trouble.

get rid now !!!!!

This is probably the wrong thread but .........

The Prem Lge striker to join on loan is Luke Freeman from Arsenal.

I just want to say keeping Wilson will show we have a Chairman with bollocks and will, perhaps, make a nice change from the quick sackings that football is used to. Why can't we turn the tables and stand by our man? No one else does, clearly we're different and why not? I see no reason why keeping him could not once again become a good thing.

Well said Barry, there really are some fucking retards on this thread

What is retardish is the fact that wilson thinks Dossevi and Pericard are good players !!!!!!

barry when is this ignore button coming into play?

It's retarded not retardish you retard

Dossevi was excellent last night. He worked as hard as Ive seen any Swindon player work for years. He put his foot right through the ball for the equaliser, it hit the post and he followed it up to bundle it home and then had a brilliant header dissalowed for by the ref.

He's shit, he's this, he's that. Easy to be negative.

What exactly do you expect Wilson to do? Openly criticise them if they've had a bad game? Thats going to really help their confidence isn't it!

We've known we need new players for a while, we've got a couple in, and more will follow.

I trust Wilson to do the right thing.

So if we are playing as well as Mr Wilson says we are why are we in the bottom four.

Doesnt quite make sense.

And what doesnt help is that most of the people who write on this forum have never played football in their life and havent got a clue about the game.

Too late to sack him now....we are in the shit and unfortunatly he is the only one to get us out of it..

Gulp......... :(

If we were going to sack Wilson, the time to do it was before, or right at the start of, the window. Sacking him now just completely fucks up any chance whatever of the new signings actually being able to settle in properly and showing if they can get us out of the shit. What kind of message would it send to (e.g.) Flint and Benyon? "Welcome to Swindon Town, we've just sacked the bloke who signed you cos he's a fucking idiot". Doesn't inspire them with any confidence they'd get a fair crack, does it?

Whether we like it or not, Wilson's here till at least the spring whatever we think of that. As Spence says, our best bet is getting behind the team. You never know, united behind the players we may help lift them out of the shit.

Hello, Mr Collymore. The Domestic Violence Unit rang, could you give them a bell back?

This is possibly the greatest idea I have ever seen.

Whereas you are an ex league manager of 20 years experience after a successful international career playing centre midfield for England...FFS give it a rest

is it wrong to not want to argue with gibbo? am i getting old? christ barry get working on that ignore button as not only gibbo but i might also book a flight to norway armed with a shotgun

It's quite simple really. We've been playing well in the last 2 or 3 games. Simple maths indicates that we were bound to get dragged into it regardless of how well the last few games went.  It makes perfect sense.


Which football league side have you played for? What level coaching badges do you have?

We are not consistent in playing a formation, not consistent in playing the same players and not playing our best players.


GK - Smith
LB - Rose
RB - Caddis
CB - Frampton
CB - Cuthbert
RM - Mcgovern
LM - O'Brien
CM - Ferry
CM - Douglas
ST - Ritchie
ST - Benyon or Dossevi

Will do. It's taking longer than expected. I'll have some time this afternoon, so I'll give it a go then. Fuck it, I might see if I can do it now!

That's the kind of thing i would expect to see on the adver site not on here, I think you will find most or nearly all have played the game and know how the game is played whether it be school team football or sunday league etc.

i agree that the time to sack wilson has been and gone.
fitton is clearly backing his manager and has allowed him to bring in more players.
if we go down then it will be the blame of both wilson and fitton,and they can sort that out in the summer.

the forum has gone into meltdown lately.this is not purely down to 'retards' but also established posters who leap on anyone who doesn't share the majority view,or is new to the site.

What's that team in reference to??

Sacking Wilson now would be madness.  Stability in all areas of a club breeds success.  In my opinion, the mistake was not selling Austin in the summer, but then would we have received the same over-inflated fee?  The performances I've seen this season suggest we will not be floundering in the relegation zone come May.

I cannot understand the assumptions that a potential Wilson replacement would be an improvement.  Who's to say we won't appoint another Maurice Malpas or Iffy Onoura?  Would people be so quick to bay for blood if they thought Shirtliff was the potential replacement?  I've seen Gary Johnson's name banded around, and admittedly he succeeded where Wilson failed, but City's setup and objectives were very different from our own.  He worryingly reminds me of a cigar-chain-smoking tyranical bigot who ruled the club not so very long ago.  And this is after the assumption that Johnson would be willing to join his former club's fierce rivals, dropping down to the League One basement having flirted with the notion of managing in the Premiership.

I concede Dossevi and Pericard are not performing, and Wilson has to take responsibility for this.  But the signing of Benyon and promise of more forwards to come shows he's answering the fans' calls.  Surely he should be granted time to see out the rebuilding of the team and see if he can turn out it round?

Can't get the fucking thing to work properly. :(

I really should think about upgrading this forum and fucking the arcade off, problem solved!

It's called discussion. It's kind of the point of having a forum :)

Except it's not discussion is it Paul, it's established posters leaping on anyone who doesn't share their view, that's his point, and he's absolutley right.

I went last night. And we are in massive trouble. Defensively we look worse than Basingstoke Town.
We had a brief spell of dominance just after the break and scored.. But whats the point when the other team can just stroll down the pitch and score another one themselves..?

Something's drastically wrong. Wilson doesn't know how to change things and needs to go. Now. This is about the time he himself came in 2 years ago. A new manager would have loan options and bring new ideas to the table. (After all that's all Wilson himself had to work with 2 years ago).

I like Wilson. I was pleased with his appointment but he clearly just can't do the job any more. One win in Ten. Leaking goals for fun. Out of all the cups at home to Brentford, Orient and Crawley.. And now in the relegation zone having played more games than most other teams and having just lost our leading goal scorer. How can any of you want Wilson to stay?

I'd like to see Fitton bring in a new manager right now. For me it's the only way we can stay in League 1.

It's far from established posters leaping up against those that don't share their views. Dell is very much a established poster, do you see everyone agreeing with him?

The difference in posters is not defined by how long they've been established, but by the rationale of their posts. Half the posts who want Wilson out, by coincidence, don't have balanced views, but read more like angry rants after failing to consider facts.

For instance you state, "Defensively we look worse than Basingstoke Town." Do we? Well please tell me the 2 previous results before last night. That FACT doesn't tie with your opinion so you've ignored it. (Unless you can find a nice negative reason why we kept 2 clean sheets of course.) That is what is annoying: the solace people seem to find in pessimism, and the negatives, when there are clearly positives to be seen. It annoys me that people can't even be bothered to find a positive, because as far as they're concerned there are none.

Dell might be established, but to most on here he is still the enemy from past years.

As for being positive I cannot think of much to be so.

I think part of the problem is that most of the new posters who come in making comments like that geezer did earlier are no where near as reasoned as you and an awful lot of them haven't been to the games.  They just shout Wilson out.

I, and Im sure most people on this forum, don't mind reason discussion.  Its just that its not what we are getting most of the time.

I didn't go last night but was encouraged by what I heard from people I believe.  I did go on Saturday and felt that a huge change was evident in the attitude, application and play of the team.  I strongly believe that there has been a weight lifted off their shoulders and they will turn the corner.  Leaking goals for fun?  Previous to last night we've had 2 clean sheets.

I do find it amazing that people at the games have not noticed a huge change.  I find it more amazing the willingness people not at the games have to demand sackings. (Obviously Im not including you in that as you've been at the games).

If we dont win on Saturday it may be a different matter.  I may start panicking then.

I know what you are saying, and I am guilty.

But it is hard fighting against the tide of negitivity and sometimes down right ignorance.

When someone's main argument for Wilson to be sacked is that he cant motivate the team, and weve just last night had our side put in one of the best shifts in they have all season then yeah, I do get a bit pissed off with it.

As fans we are at the crucial stage, we can implode (and make ourselves feel better by being the lynch mob, but go down) or we can support and give ourselves the best chance of getting out of it. Supporters remmember.

So what are "established posters" supposed to do? Not participate in discussions where they disagree with people? Stop being so precious, the whole purpose of the forum is for people to be able to express their opinions, and it often gets done robustly. If people think you're talking sense, they're likely to agree with you, if they think you're talking bollocks, they'll probably tell you so. Apologies if this means I'm "leaping on you"

I think you're either a touch paranoid or simply overrating your impact :)

Basingstoke Town? No it wasnt great 1st half, but their first goal was a deflection, and their winner was a foul on Phil Smith.

The Bristol Rovers game Id have some sympathy, but not last night.

Not paranoid, just not part of click on here and never will be.

In the past I loved the old argy-bargy threads but have purposely kept away from them over the last year 'Click Bate'.

I feel very strongly about the Wilson issue and believe he has to go as stated in my original post I am not normally a manager basher. Mr Spencer of course points out my main point of my post was motivation, which of course it was not, it was one line.

It was the only reason you gave that he couldnt turn it round in the future.

Theres no denying it has been a poor season. But is Wilson 100% to blame? Could any manager have let go of the players we had last season (Paynter, Greer, Morrison, Austin) and got us in the play offs?

Clique?! Its not about that. That is a childish thing to say. Not everyone is 'mates' on here.

People make rational decisions about the manager, the board, the players yet don't really think about their rationality. We lost last night to a team who were 2nd in the league. We didn't deserve to lose.

Slagging the manager off isn't going to acheive anything.

If we win on saturday will you be slagging him then?

Eloquently and succinctly put.  This sums up exactly my feelings....

The unjustified reasoning on here does my nut, and the likelihood is insiders at the club read some of this crap.  I sincerely hope Fitton takes little notice of what's on here and follows the route he's taken.  Fitton has his head screwed on, and is in it for the long haul.  It would take a severe downturn in the club's fortunes for him to sack Wilson.

I thought he should have gone before Bristol Rovers, a win on Saturday will not change my view.
Hopefully we can stay up, I belive in my opinion that the club needs a new face to regenerate life into it.
My point about Fitton growing some balls was to make a bold decision now, instead of the easy option when Wilson's contract runs out and we are relegated.

Regarding last nights game, on the stats on the BBC site do not agree with your interpretation, re shots on target and off target and possession, even though it was obviously an improved performance.

The 'easy option' for Fitton would have been to boot out Danny after the Bristol Rovers game. The chairman who has balls will stand by his decision to appoint the manager in the first place.

Remember when Fergie was first appointed? Man Utd almost went down, but his chairman stuck with him , and the rest is history. I'm not saying that we're in any way comparable to Man Utd, but it just goes to show that a manager can become successful over time, but will obviously have a few hiccups along the way.

Wilson undoubtedly has an eye for a player, his teams play good football on the whole, and he seems to have a good relationship with Fitton.

There are so many reasons to think that we can get out of the relegation zone and push on up the table. Changing a manager now would be suicidal, and pointless.

Im sitting on the fence as far as Wilson goes at the moment, as others stated the time to sack him has been and gone. Also a change in management does not guarentee we would pull away from the relegation zone. Although I do think that Wilsons failure to replace key players from last year has cost us this year.

We lost Paynter and lost 30 goals from last season we replaced him with Dossevi which hasn't worked out. Greer was a massive loss and we never replaced him at all until Frampton came in, but i wouldn't say he has showed the same class as of yet.

On the plus side we have seen a glimpses of improvement in the last few games, but we cant avoid the fact that its February and we are in the relagation zone. This IMO is the crucial month for Wilson as he has been allowed to bring in Players whcih he needs to be given time with, although the clock is ticking for us and this is a results business and 1 win in 9 is relegation form.

I can't help but think sticking with him will be a better decision longer term. He got us out of a mess and took us to a play off final when nothing was expected of him. Yeah, he hasn't done well this season but at the same time we've had rotten luck this season and we're suffering a massive playoff hangover which is pretty common.

We've shown enough times this season that we can be a fucking good team, and the last few performances have been encouraging. Wilson is a good manager, you'd do well to find a player that doesn't like him, and he hasn't become crap overnight.

Chopping and changing managers will do us no good. We all moaned at Sturrock and Wise's lack of loyalty, why should we have the right to moan about them if we show Wilson no loyalty? Granted this season has been poor but, with a little perspective, he's done a great job here and has produced the best football my generation has seen.

I'd keep him, for a long time. Finish this season with a bit of momentum (I'm confident he'll keep us up and we'll finish strong) and go into next season flying, with the younger players continuing to improve.

Maybe I'm a little naïve thinking longer term, but I just feel very strongly that Fitton's doing a good job by backing him. Even if we do go down, who would do a better job at getting us out of that league than Wilson?! There's no better manager for that level, should the worst happen.

It's tough because obviously we all want instant success and this year it aint happening, but I'm confident if he's still given the time and funds, Wilson will do good things here.

I'm with you tails. Good performance last night lacking only a striker and a bit of luck

Spot on.

DW is here until the end of the season if AF was going to let him go he would have carried this out prior to the transfer window
The point that annoys me is if you look at the table all the clubs round us are on paper smaller clubs in terms of gates and money yet we are down there with them.
We lost key players in the summer and have not been replaced whoose fault is that? well you could say AF for the funds or is DW not attracting the right type of players?
It is all well and good to say we will receive a loan player from a Preimer side but lets get real it i will be a youth player that they want to develop
The away form is crap and we still have to play Brighton, Southampton and Huddersfield away we need to focus on our home form and attempt to climb up the table
If we escape relegation then AF needs to have a good look of what we want to achieve over the next 3-5 years(young player manager type we have a good record of this in the past)

Come on mate throw me a bone.. So we're not leaking goals for fun? Away from home 29 we've let in. That's the second worst in the division. They hit the post twice last night as well. And as for your 2 clean sheets prior to last night, big fucking deal, 2 points from a possible 6 at home to Tranmere and Exeter. Woopy cunting do. If you're happy with that then we might as well keep Wilson.
There is no huge change my friend. You are in denial. 1 win in 10 and now in the relegation zone. Wake up....

I very much agree with what you said, think he should stay.  

I think many of the players are as much to blame, most look a shadow of the players we had last year, yes you could put that done to motivation of the manager, but I don't think that's the main problem, it happen at every level, some players improve the next season, some have a bad season or part of a season, then six month later improve again, not just at our level.  Look at the difference between Rooney and Torres of the last few years.

So now we're picking and choosing when it's OK to let in 3 goals?
Do me a favour

Brilliant post, at least someone else feels the same as me

if we go down then the decision not to sack wilson would have been the wrong one.
it could be argued that just staying up by the skin of our teeth will be unacceptable too.
if we stablise and have a mid table finish with some promising performances then we will have hope to take into next season.
time will tell.....

I think he' saying last night we were unlucky to conceed three, where as previously we've deserved to conceed 2 or 3 or more.

Obviously we can't keep conceeding as many as we have up to this point in the season. it should become clearer over the next few games whether we've turned the corner on that or not. Either way we aren't bringing in any more centre backs to compliment the 5 we already have!

This season has been a poor effort. And if you look back to early october, I was saying earlier than most people that there we were nowhere near a Play Off standard and some games the effort was piss poor.

The fans this season were slow to recognise that we were playing poorly, and now they are slow to realise that the effort and application is there.

I cant argue with the results, or the goals conceeded. But if we play like we did last night and against Exeter, and everyone still slags the players/manager off then you will only go one way.

I don't think sacking him now will achieve anything. He should have gone before the window, or not at all. No one else will come in and do any better with the squad we have.

The main issue we have is that the problems have been blindingly obvious (no partner for Austin, and now no Austin, coupled with a leaky defence in need of experience and direction) yet for some reason, be it at Fitton's behest or whatever, the reinforcements we have amount to a load of young lads with limited/no experience of football, let alone a lower league relegation fight. Whoever is in charge for the next few months will need a large slice of good fortune to keep us up.

I cannot even be fucking bothered with you.

Barry.  When's that ignore button happening?

Train wreck

Indeed, the defense has been a problem this season. So the manager went out in the transfer window and bought 2 new defenders (3 inc Frampton). Let's see how they fit into the side over the next few games and if that makes a difference in the goals conceded column.

I understand if you criticize him for not addressing the issue in the summer, but he made a mistake, identified the problem it caused and has made an attempt to solve it at the earliest available opportunity.

Awesome counter argument Nash. You should be a politician.

I for one was calling for his head pre transfer window as a new manager could have bought in his own style of players.

However that didn't happen and I for one will back him and the team now until the end of the season, when I still feel it will be right to look to change things.

Lets not forget also that its not just a new manager that we will need to fork out for but backroom staff as well

In other news, Tails is back!

Earliest available opportunity? Its February!

Look I can't be arsed with this shit any more. You want Wilson to stay? Fine. It's all about opinion. I guess we'll see who's right at the end of the season and I hope to God it's you. Otherwise Morcambe and Macclesfield await..

It came earlier and was not working correctly, so removed it. I'd like to think it will be done by lunch tomorrow. (Likely at the expense of the Arcade. Ignore button > Arcade.)

make it so #1

Who posted that

You want the fucking argument then?

Im saying what I saw.  An improved performance and a more unified performance.  2 clean sheets when we haven't had 1 since November.  There's a bournemouth fan on the sodding matchday thread saying that he saw both matches against them and our team were a far better team last night.  Frankly I'll believe him rather than you as you've proved in a short few posts that you're the type of negative poster I hate.  

You can choose who to believe whovever you want.

I don't think I've been negative at all though - I've supported Swindon for over 25 years and hate seeing us like this. Particularly after reaching Wembley last season, and having money to spend on players. For reasons I've already explained I don't think Wilson deserves to keep his job and certainly have not seen signs of "huge improvement". I'm just calling it as I see it.

 :D :D :D :D

Fair enough, of course everyone is entitled to their opinion think its just the ZOMG WE'RE SHIT WILSON OUT negativity without thinking that gets people's backs up a bit.

To be honest, I'd still much rather have people venting their spleen on an internet forum but then giving their all behind the team at the ground on a saturday. Have much more of a problem with the mongish boo-boys at the CG than anything on here/thisis etc.

This, this oh god a thousand times this.

I'll stove my head in if I keep smashing it against the desk every time I read WILSON OUT WE'RE SHIT AND GOING DOWN. Or soundbites like "Defensively we look worse than Basingstoke Town."

No we don't. It's far too easy to sit and slag off an underperforming team. But there have been glaring improvements, blindingly obvious improvements over the last couple of games yet some people almost down right refuse to see them.

Don't even get me started on some of the fools that text RS BEFORE the game. BEFORE the fucking game!! Exeter was a prime example of people spouting shit profusely.

....

call me what you like - but we should have got rid of him about 5 weeks ago.

We are only heading one way at the moment and Wilson has shown me nothing to suggest he can turn it around.

We put in some decent performances under Iffy - we still went down.

Whatever our thoughts about Danny as manager, the fact remains that he's not going and probably
never was likely to go.

We face a huge battle against relegation and hopefully if the last couple of games are anything to
go by,we have at least shown a bit of spirit,even if lady luck has been against us so far.

Lets get behind the team,especially Benyon this saturday and bring the 3pts home!

You must be delusional....

I don't remember smashing Charlton live on Sky or reaching the playoff final under Iffy.

Mind you, I still think we were wrong to get rid of Andy King! :D

We beat Bristol City on Sky. We played Huddersfield off the park at the Galpharm when they were top. We destroyed Bournemouth 4-2 in Lee Peacocks first game.

Play off final was last season has fuck all to do with this season.

ignore dv ignore dv

Neither is Iffy shitty time in charge.

If the play off final has fuck all to do with this season (and presumably Wilson's ability as a manager) then what the fuck has performances under Iffy got to do with anything.

 By far the wisest post in this debate has been made by young Tails....

That putting in the odd good performance and still losing wont keep us up.

Just to be picky, we played Yeovil in Lee Peacocks first game.

No we didn't. It was Bournemouth, I remember him getting a debut goal.

Just to be picky, you're wrong.

http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/PlayingRecord.asp?PersonID=PEACOCKL&Season=2005-2006

That's as maybe but we didn't, did we? So it seems to me we now have two choices:

1) Get behind the team and show the new signings they've come somewhere where the crowd appreciate and will back good performances/fighting spirit (and are willing to unite behind that). Which may or may not work. If it does, we pull out of the shit; if it doesn't, he'll be gone by the end of March (and we'll be doomed)
2) Continue to call for Wilson's head and utterly demoralise the new signings who'll be wondering what the fuck they've come into. It certainly won't help improve performances/results and could conceivably make them worse by demoralising the team. That may have the "desired" (by some) effect of getting rid of Wilson sooner, but I'd guess only by a couple of weeks than the scenario above and will pretty much guarantee we're fucked.

Of the two, I'd rather take a punt on option 1 and hope that a show of unity/Wilson's genius/random good luck can turn things round and let Wilson's future be decided in the summer. Because I don't see anything good coming from option 2 to be honest - it may result in change eventually, but I think now that change would likely come too late.

I was in the Wilson out camp - only just mind - a couple of weeks ago because we looked dreadful, not ability wise but between the ears and in the heart, but Saturday and last night were much better, and I firmly believe Charlie going has lifted the place massively.

I'm now right behind Wilson again. He's technically a great coach - ask the players - and has a good relationship with Fitton. Get Benyon firing, Lucas fit and some depth upfront and out wide in the loan window and we'll be 'reet. Then cut our loses on some of the duds - Rose and Pericard come to mind - in the summer and go again, with the budget and backing to have a real push once more.

If we survive this year I can see a great season ahead next year....can we have a fast forward time button?!

 Bazza has struggled with the ignore button....still no harm in asking.

An open goal from an error if I recall correctly.

Can we have an "ignore this season" button?

I didnt say anything about not supporting the team or booing everyone and everything or anything like that.

Just dont think he's the man for the job anymore and hasnt been for a while. This season is a failure no matter what happens now.


Yep, doesnt detract from the fact that, that was a quality performance and we still went down.

Aw I was just playing the memory game... and I won (in the game in my head, go me).

congratulations :)

Oops. My mistake. I'm sure we've beaten Yeovil 4-2 at home fairly recently.

I was actually at the B'mouth game. First glimpse of one Albert Jarrett if I'm right.

Excellent post, well said

I think it's too late to get rid of him now so I've cast aside those thoughts. But like others I do think he should have gone a few weeks ago. But Fitton has backed him in the transfer window and if I don't have the hope we will improve dramatically then I may as well throw in the towel now (which I won't). Entertaining the idea Wilson will leave is more than likely futile, which is probably what the Wilson-in camp have realised.

But for those people moaning about the moaners - the team is shit and has been for a long time. The opinion that Wilson needs to be sacked isn't wrong, just different to yours.

Same as, Si.. and a couple of others have said it aswell.

After Yeovil, I think. When we went down to ten and he took Ritchie off, I slumped into my seat saying oh god he's lost it. I spent the walk back to the car saying he's gotta go. This is just like what the Hartlepool fans said...

But it hasn't happened, it won't happen and I honestly don't see the point in repeating the same old, this seasons a failure no matter what, he's not good enough, over and over and over and over.

Maybe losing Charlie will be a good thing. The last 2 performances have certainly been better. It seems to have bucked everyone up. Who knows why exactly?

I think we'll stay up with a couple more additions in the loans and I will gladly eat humble pie because 2 weeks ago, hell, 1 week ago, I was convinced we were going down.

WE ARE WILSONS RED AND WHITE ARMY.

Whether we like it or not and I think we need to show him our support.

I agree 100% with you b3nny

Spot on Si.... Let's bum

Indeed, I think he should have gone - he hasnt.

He wont go now, so yes we are stuck with him. Right decision? we'll see wont we.

I agree fancy a double fisting?

I agree with Si - make that a treble fisting

I am firmly in the 'Wilson must stay' camp.  Like every Town fan, I am hugely disappointed with this season.  Like every supporter I had hoped we'd carry on from the disappointment of last season's play-off defeat & the quality of the signings (Caddis, Ferry & initially O'Brien & Rose too) raised my expectations.  The sale of Greer was a surprise although the fee received seemed generous. I expected Cuthbert to assume his leadership mantle & Morrison finally to become established in the side and demonstrate his potential. He did but never consistently. The leadership was never apparent and whatever the quality of Greer's defensive play his organisational abilities have been missed.  We also lost Paynter & although we now realise he had his best ever season with us last year I thought he would not prove indispensible.  Sadly Pericard hasn't developed into an adequate replacement although I was encouraged when he came on against Norwich last season & physically impressed against 2 resolute defenders. This season he's not been as physically intimidating as I had anticipated and Charlie Austin has been pretty much our lone threat up front.

The major disappointment though has been the lack of consistency in the team. They have had some good performances this season - but not enough of them. Players like Ferry, Cuthbert, Amankawaah & JPM have not been so impressive or consistent.  This coupled with injuries, suspensions and postponements have disrupted the side. I cannot blame Wilson for that & I do think that he has tried very hard to improve the side. However, he has a budget that he is obliged to stick to and he has been rebuffed when he's identified players & tried to get them on loan or permanently.  Some like Ball when they have come in, haven't developed as we've hoped they would. I know that ultimately the manager is responsible and maybe he's been perhaps too loyal to some players, playing them when they could have been replaced. However I am impressed with the apparent quality of the new signings Flint, Misun & Benyon. We still need at least one new striker but there appears to be a new spirit in the team as witnessed against Exeter and by all accounts against Bournemouth too.
In conclusion then, I am not sure that Wilson can be held responsible for loss of form or injuries although I do think he's apparently been slow to respond to situations. And the $64,000 question - who would be a definite & guaranteed improvement if he were to be replaced?  No, I think the club is being run sensibly & responsibly under his stewardship so let's back him & the team to get out of this appalling relegation zone.

Sorry didn't mean you did. My first line was in response to you, the rest was more general musings

I agree with all of that Prof. Even though I am Pro-Wilson (I l've liked him since he was a player at Forest) I will admit I was seriously wavering a few weeks ago when the transfer window had not been open long, Gary Johnson had just come on the market and we'd lost to Oldham and Yeovil having ripped Charlton to shreds. Now the Window has closed getting rid of DW should not even be up for discussion. As ball breakingly disappointing as this season has been, the long term prospects for the club have never looked better.

Good post Prof.  Agree with a lot that you say.
I am still surprised that we're in the mess that we are.  I still think that our squad is too good to be relegated despite what the league table says and I know that this doesn't defiintely mean that we'll escape.
Overall I think that sticking with Wilson, as I'm sure the Board will do in any case, is the best option - if a panic change would help I'm sure that the Board would have picked up the vibes and be sending him on his way.
I'm not so sure that the suspension and injury card is a particularly good excuse - we've not suffered more than a typical team would and we have sufficient depth in the squad to be able to deal with this.
Yes, the problem is consistency but that's so for all teams and players at this level - if they were more consistent a lot of the players would be playing at a higher level.
We've had problems all over the team rather than in one aspect. 
The defence has been unnecessarily leaky but it has been in past years and we've survived.
Midfield - can't settle on a preferred combination - doesn't help consistency but it can't be said that Wilson won't try to shake things up.  Biggest disappointment is that Dougie and Prutts have played well together on very few occasions.
Biggest problem is the obvious.  I've never been remotely impressed with Vince or TD and I thought from the first few weeks of the season that we needed another striker.  Why has it apparently taken until now for DW to have this view?
We're in a battle now - I'm still confident but I think that how well the team reacts should determine whether Danny is still here next year - a narrow escape shouldn't be seen as a success!!

Well fucking said.

Just looked at the ratings on 365 stats and we are 2nd from bottom for home games and 3rd from top for away games. I'm quite surprised by that (the away games stat)

Stick with Wilson. I think he's doing a remarkable job.

I'm surprised you're into football, I would have thought rowing or croquet was more up your street?

So we are shit at home then

Well for any of you people who still think Wilson should remain in charge, i hope todays garbage against Rochdale has changed your mind.

Players looked clueless, tactics were poor, and subs wernt that much better either.

If he stays i cant see us staying in league 1.

:hmmm: :hmmm: :hmmm:

DID YOU NOT READ MY WARNING! Changing the fucking wording slightly doesn't help you twat. BAN! NOW!

And if I read anything like this again on here I'm going to get some of my son's hacker friends to take the whole fucking site down.

Now, 2/3rds of the way through the season, out of the relegation zone by goal difference, 7 points from the last 30, and 3 more games played than the side immediately below us, is not the fucking time to tempt fate with statements like that.

You want him BANNED NOW, and then you threaten getting this site hacked into oblivion. Get a grip and get a life.

Christ! People don't like facts to get in the way of a line of argument do they? Read that and it sounds like Swindon are positively QPR-like in their approach to team management.

In fact, in the five year period you talk about, we've had five full time managers, only two of which were sacked, Malpas and King. Ignore the 5 month hiatus for the Terry Brady inspired ludicrous flirtation with Roy Evans, and Andy King was given over 4 years in charge of the team.

Which leaves Malpas, who was clearly a mistake. Anyone think he should have been given more time? .... Thought not.

Hardly a history of chopping a changing and sacking managers at the drop of a hat is it?

And your David Moyes comparison is just fucking stupid. Moyes manages a club that has been closer to the bottom than the top of their league for transfer funds available and wage bill. We're easily in the top 5 or 6 richest clubs in our league.
Do think Moyes would have survived the couple of seasons just avoiding relegation at Liverpool, Chelsea or even Spurs?

For this league we spent a proper chunk of money in the summer and more in the window, and are only outside the relegation zone because Tranmere can't seem to get through 90 minutes of football at the moment.

 :hmmm: Mind, that was a good write up, fair do's

Calm down Lumps, you'll bust a fallopian tube.

I think our squad is too good to go down. (Please lumps, not your sons hacker friends. Oh no. )

too good to go down down.
Except the non scoring forwards (Benyon excepted)
And the shaky defence.
And the inconsistent and ever changing midfield.
And the manager making often unfathomable substitutions.

Other than that we are too good to go down. A bit like Forest were that time they got relegated..

However, and I mean this in all seriousness, we are showing signs of being less easy to break down. Which is a start and where we should have been in September. To make the most obvious statement of the day our season now hinges on Wilson's ability to build on this by adding adequate firepower.

If we win the next 3 games we'll be in contention for the play offs

With the squad we have, we can turn it around easily. We're only 3 wins off the play offs.







 :fishing:

Lumps:

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I think it would be far more interesting...and constructive, to have a thread saying what you would do in Wilson's shoes to get us out of this hole.

Personally, I'd like him to decide what his best 11 is and stick with it. Let them develop together, make mistakes together and not fear getting dropped for one bad game.

Agreed 100%...all this 'tinkering' is just self-defeating. DW seems to be blind to that.

We dont know who is carrying knocks.

I guess Sheehan has picked one up. Ritchie didnt look fully fit to me yesterday.

Prutton did well when he came on, and we started to create a lot more pressure. Unfortunately we conceeded as well.

Thats ok...but when you tonk Charlton away then play shite at Dagenham/Oldham the manager will make changes.......though i agree that for me he plays players in wrong positions at regular times.

sorry to incur your wrath with an opinion!
The squad has too many good players such that we shouldn't be in the position that we are, though the significant scarcity of decent strikers is proving to be a major problem.
However, that and playing together as a team and grinding out the results are proving to be different things completely.
I said in my previous post that I recognised that the ability of the squad was not a guarantee of escape and after yesterday's shambles I'm getting increasingly worried about the outcome of the season but I'm remaining optimistic for now.

hahaha.lumps had a few sherberts last night i reckon

Lumps is fucking brilliant

Too late to oust Wilson...lets hope he keeps us up....then take stock in May.

Agreed....and hope that a narrow scrape to survival isn't seen by the Board as as success.
It really needs to pick up big time from now for Wilson to be assured of staying on past the season end.

My main gripe is he just never seems desperate enough to chase games. He never whacks a defender up front and yesterday with 5 mins to go i was shocked to see him telling flint to stay on the half way line when we had a long throw.

Caddis was doing ok on the wing yesterday but then he makes a change which effectivly stopped all our attacking threat.

This is Wilsons team now he should have a starting 11 but by febuary he hasnt got one which is terrible. I appreciate he isn't likely to be going anywhere now but doesn't mean i agree with it

I just want him to play Ferry. Ferry will solve all our problems.

Haha Lumps is a twat. Funny as fuck though.

We're too good to be relegated.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: OTT or what?

I thought Flint was struggling with a back problem in the latter stages, after he 'splashed' one of theirs in our penalty area - that might have been why.

Good point i forgot about that Nev. If the dale player wasn't underneath him that could of been a nasty fall.

wilson has to go. we are dogshit at the moment.
look at the difference in the liverpool performances since changing manager.

Liverpool are massive and would attract big managers.....think about who we are....think about in general....

Lou Macari it is then

Been hoofing it most of the season....get him back....

This team is far too good to be relegated..class is permanent

We've been permanently shit this season

Who would we be able to get though if Wilson did go, I am unsure on the best course of action but my worry would be replacing him with someone poor and Fitton seems to like to be loyal to the back room team so that may rule out a few managers that like to have their own team with them

As I know others have said, if Wilson was going to go this season, he would have gone by now.  So to that extent, this conversation/thread is now a little pointless.  He's staying, at least until May and possibly beyond - and those who want him out now probably need to get used to the idea.

A more useful discussion would be what DW does from here to have us climb the table.

Why? Do you think he may listen then

Whoosh

Look at Sheff Utd since changing manager.

Or, look at the total lack of difference changing manager has made to Rovers, Preston, Palace, Middlesborough, Stockport, Barnet etc. It's no guarantee

Unless your point was that we should appoint Dalglish?

We should have gone to Specsavers.

I still think Wilson is the man to get us out of this shit.I know the past counts for nothing now but he's done a good job since he's been here & i hope he prooves the doubters wrong.Things just havent gone for us this season what with injuries, suspensions,sales etc look at last season the team was settled & almost picked itself.Seems the players confidence is very low aswell & we are panicking if we're struggling to get in front (every game at the moment !) but what pissed me off more than anything on saturday was when it looked like we had lost , sections of our so called fans booing the team & manager - do you really think this helps the team ?........ Of course it dont ! So i'm calling for you all to back the team to the hilt,lets see where it gets us & assess it at the end of the season - DANNY WILSON'S RED & WHITE ARMY !

No paragraphs......Scott Out!

We have decent players for this league- and get good gates and the board have worked hard to get the gates/season ticket holders up- but this is all going to be undone unless they take action NOW.

The team selection tonight said it all- time to go Danny enough is enough 

can this thread please be locked and filed in b1n please by the mods...its getting boring now and rears (sp) its head everytime we lose which is far too often...this is getting as fucking annoying as the players that cannot be named

Why? There'd only be another one. Are you suggesting we shouldn't discuss the future of our manager when we're doing really really shit.?

If you know the thread's content, don't like it and don't want to contribute, then why bother reading it?

Don't read it then.

I have backed Wilson all season, not once have I even thought about sacking him but I have for the first time tonight. We don't even sound like we're playing badly, but when your still losing 3.0 you know there are problems.
Last season was my best as a Swindon fan, i'm alot younger than most of you old cunts on here, only 20, but I have still managed to see some shit in the 13 years i've been coming, and these last couple of games have been the first time I have thought I don't give a fuck.
Some of Wilsons decisons in the past few weeks have been strange to say the least, what Ferry has done wrong is anyones guess, his subs baffle me, his love for Prutton and Michael Rose confuse me and his selection tonight was just odd.
Now is the time for a change, Danny Wilson isn't a bad manager by any means, but, I no longer believe he is the right man to take Swindon forward.
We have a good league 1 squad, and unfortunately for Wilson, I think he has lost the dressing room, as well as the fans.

Are you too self important to post in the Wilson Out thread?


edit: someone moved it.

Completely agree.

i think 32 pages is more than suffice to gauge peoples opinion of whether wilson should still be here or not...it just reminds me of all those folk that were disappointed we equalised on saturday

Why? People might want to add from what they said 30 pages ago as things get worse and there opinions change.

If you disagree with some of the views then you're better off forming a decent reply to  why you think they're wrong instead of just asking for them to be censored.

Give the job to Alan Mac.

He has to go now - strange team selections, strange substitutions - if we are going to go down, at least we should go down fighting.

Fuck off wilson.

Ill pick you up at 10am and we can go to the job centre

here is my post from page 20 which I consider to be a reasonable opinion on the matter. I don't consider that people are wrong if they want him out-it just feels like its flogging a dead horse.

In respect of Wilson, I think the divide between the fans has come as a result of some (including me) expecting him to turn it around sooner, whereas others have lost patience earlier. Stating the obvious but....
Has he become a 'bad' manager overnight? Unlikely.
Is it easier to manage/give a team-talk to a winning side? Yes.
Has he lost the confidence in himself and the players and thus struggles to manage/motivate a losing side? Yes.
Is he a nearly man and will remain to be so for the rest of his career managing at no higher than League 1 level?Probably.
Onto the question of should he be sacked?....if his contract is up at the end of the season and the board have in mind A N Other to manage us, do they let him loose with some cash in this transfer window bringing in players he wants that the new manager may not fancy?or do they hope we can survive in League 1 with what we have?
I don't know what the answer is (clearly) and I can't see them sacking him or him walking away.So as hard as it is to accept such a decline since last season, lets at least attempt to get positive and get behind whatever team he picks on Tuesday.

So well done. You got your say. Why do you want to close the thread and hide it so it can't be read anymore and other people can't do the same?

fair enough....just too much negativity grinds me down

 
That would be a good song title Jimbob :D

Yep, I'm sad to say that I have backed Wilson up until tonight but, for the first time, I now think he should go. He's had more than enough time to stop the rot, even by his own admission, but I don't think he's the man to get us out of a relegation scrap. I know this wont go down too well with some, but I would be tempted to get a short term replacement in until the end of the season, just to get us out of this hole. Someone who is a battler and would command respect in the changing room. Someone who knows a little bit about the club and would not be afraid to kick the player's arses. Even though I'm not that keen on him as a person, I think the man for us right now is Dennis Wise. I never thought I'd write those words but I never thought we'd be so shit for so long either.

I agree, tonight is the first time I've felt no confidence in Danny - possibly because the commentary was more critical and honest. Your point about Wise is an interesting one - I can't stand the guy but anybody who can spark life into this team is welcome as far as I'm concerned.

Well what the fuck are you doing supporting the Town then you dozy twat

Wise did an excellent in job in the short time he was at the club in fairness.

point well made cunt

I thought so, cheers

shit the fucking bed, Wilson is still in denial of his and the team's rubbishnes

An apology

I now realise that the This Is posters had the cojones and the gut instinct to make the right calls at the right time.

Sneaky straight after HT subs so the opposition team don't know what you're going to do is possibly the most desperate managerial tactic I've ever heard of. He really is out of ideas.

I have been supportive of Wilson, starting to get doubts now.

Either way its probably too late to change him. I assume anyone half decent would not be interested and we'd end up with Trollope.

Next week: The players swap shirts around at half time to confuse the opposition.

And dye their hair different colours!

What a depressing thought that is.

Amusing to hear him say we need even more players. We have what 27/28 professionals on the books now, all of which have been signed/re-signed by Wilson. How many more do you want?

I agree, The problem is Wilson not the players not many how many he brings in it isn't going to change things, Things will change once he leaves, Things are so bad because he's lost the dressing room and the players obviously don't want to play for him anymore so things won't change until he goes, Obviously Fitton still won't sack him tomorrow!

I'm a great fan of Bodin but on earth would anyone want him as replacement manager for Swindon.  Don't get me wrong he's doing great at youth level but a step up to management is a notch too soon for him maybe?

"So Danny, why did we wear the third kit today, was that a contractual thing with the manufacturers?"

"No, it was something I'd been planning but kept quiet. I thought that the opposition might be surprised we weren't wearing our normal red, putting them on the back foot."

"It didn't work though?"

"Unfortunately, no"

I'm not advocating it, but i genuinely can't see him being any worse right now until the summer

I honestly can't beleieve that he's still not prepared to take any responsibility for the mess we're in. It's everyone's fault bar his.

At the moment I am doubtful that I will go to watch another game whilst he remains in charge.

Quite frankly my 7 year old son has more idea of tactics and formations than Wilson at the moment and would probably have a better chance of keeping us in League 1!

True i guess, have a lot of respect for Bodin especially when he missed that penalty for Wales  :)

"Many people were surprised to see Billy Bodin's name on the team sheet, only for Dossevi to come out wearing Bodin on his shirt, what happened there?"

"Young Bodin has lots of potential but we don't think he's quite there yet. Everyone knows that we're lacking options up front so we got Dossevi to change his name by deed poll."

i hate to say it,but wilson has to go.he has ran out of excuses and ideas.
his time is up.
there is enough time for someone to go back to basics and lift the confidence of the players,stablise the squad,which apart from upfrotn is pretty good.
they should have enough to survive.

i'd give mad dog the job till the end of the season and go from there.

Gary johnson for me

Me too.

Tonight's post match interview may have led to a Microsoft inspired Danny Wilson ad campaign on facebook.

the interview was the nail in the coffin imo.
same old excuses.
alan mac saw us for what we are.he had it spot on.
i hope fitton heard it too.

I hear what you are saying but what about the players?  If Danny is saying do this or cover that and they can't be arsed to do it, who do you blame?  If you blame the manager and get someone else in, they will turn round to the players and say "make sure you mark that guy" or " break quickly when we get the ball in the left back position" but again, the players take no notice.  How much better off are we?  The problem seems to me not the manager but the fact that our players are not very good and not very bright.  I'm hoping the new additions will change things but I am really disappointed with the likes of Douglas, Prutton, JPM, Cuthbert and Ferris who should be top of league 1 in performance but have vanished without a fucking trace. We all know big Vince and Dossevi aren't going to cut it but the midfield need to hang their pathetic heads in shame.  I'd love to know what they earn but about £50 a week would be just recompense for their value.  (Rant over)

To be fair, I think the "I made baffling substitutions at a baffling time to confuse and bewilder the opposition" excuse was a new one

Not sure I agree with letting Wilson off the hook and putting the players in the firing line instead in the rest of your post, but this is absolutely bang on. Whatever the manager's deficiencies, the players should know full well they haven't been doing it either. Bit of fucking pride, if only in themselves, could make a lot of difference

Totally agree, the players have to be held responsible as well.  They are paid to do a job that they're clearly not doing.  However, Wilson's brought in a fair number of new players now that he's chosen and still nothing's changed.  He seems to have lost the player's respect, especially those he plays one game, drops the next, plays out of position etc. We can't completely change out squad of players, so the buck surely must stop with the manager?

I'm a Danny Wilson and signing Simon Ferry to wash my pants instead of playing football was my idea.

some of those players though are being chopped around left right and centre. to expect consistency from them is a bit unfair.

To expect a bit of a shift isn't though is it? And we're not seeing that far too often. And far too many of them have been under par for a lot longer than the manic chopping around has been going on. I'd be prepared to excuse Ferry on that basis, the rest of them should grow a pair and put a fucking shift in

their confidence is gone and they are set up wrongly alot of the time.or not played at all in some cases.
a new manager can sort that out.the fact that other teams have games in hand might mean it's too late though.
worth the gamble i think

I'm playing devils advocate a bit because I don't think it's fair Wilson takes the rap on his own.  But you are right, he's in charge and has to carry the can as it's what he's paid for as he's the boss.  But I've seen some of the players duck out of tackles, hide next to their markers, stray wildly out of position ("Awankah", JPM)and generally lack any sort of composure and it pisses me off.  I do remain puzzled by the Shirtliff factor and why, when we've got a specialist defence coach, we are so abysmal at the back.

Probably right there arriba. Don't take my agreeing with rbe about the players needing to also take a look at themselves in any way excuses Wilson. But they do remind me of the players toward the end of King's reign - a lot of them were prepared to hide behind the brickbats being hurled at the manager as an excuse for their own failings.

Paul mate i agree but being dropped here there and everywhere wont instil confidence

I'm not sure we are especially abysmal at the back, I think we're abysmal as a team from front to back. It's manifesting as conceding a shit load, but a lightweight midfield that provides no cover is always going to expose any deficiencies in defence. Just as a lack of creativity from the midfield is going to starve the strikers (assuming we choose to actually play any) of chances. That will manifest in lack of goals, but we're weak all over. We're not functioning as a team. And the weaknesses run all the way through

Absolutely. It's like a downward self-reconfirming spiral of clusterfuck at the moment

It's exactly how arriba says. Wilson only knows one way to set them up and play, albeit different players in different positions/formations but trying the same stuff.

Also, Wilson says we're unlucky a lot of the time but there have been plenty of times we got lucky this season. Saturday was an example, Yeovil away was a fantastic comeback but we got lucky, last gasp winner against Huddersfield at our place etc. A team is the architect of their luck most of the time and poor luck is a shit excuse.

DRS - seriously do you think these guys lack confidence?  They've all got ego's the size of a small planet just look at the cars and personalised plates in the car park.  What they need to do is what Paul says - grow some bollox, fight for the shirt and have some pride in who they are playing for.  Yep I know it's Danny's job to instill this but the players need to front up and stop being fucking victims of circumstance.

But why put a shift in when you'll just get dropped or played out of position next week.

Ritchie got 3 goals in 5 games before exeter and is our one bright spark at the moment and he gets dropped

Personal pride? Self-respect? Showing the cunt? At the very least, trying to show you deserve someone else coming to take you out of this living hell of working up to 3 hours a day and playing football for a living?

Point taken - we do get overrun and this shouldn't always be the defence's fault.  Our midfield have been shit at times particularly JPM's attempts to play inside - AOB as well.  Being positive, we have Flint and Frampton and they need to be given a chance to form some sort of partnership.

Trying to relate it to the real world a bit...If my manager tells me to do a task a particular way every week even though I knew it would result in a poor outcome it would demoralize me. If my work colleagues were unhappy and started to hand in their notices it would damage my team's morale.

I think they can sort out dates in their own time, and you need to send the Gaydar away for repair

I fully agree Paul, was merely playing devil's advocate.

And I still think most of the players are consciously trying, it's the subconscious extra 5% that is missing. I don't think any player would knowingly not try, but it must be unbelievably frustrating to be pissed around and whatever by your manager.

Just look at the bench tonight. Cuthbert hasn't been worse than the majority this season after a superb season last year but is dropped for a novice. Ferry is bought in, a young kid moving lock stock and barrel from scotland only to get given about 6 minutes, no matter how bad those in the team are playing. And the Ritchie situation I cited earlier is the worst example.

We had two clean sheets in a row with Cuthbert and Frampton and Wilson inexplicably drops Cuthbert. Wilson is the making of his own downfall, regardless if the players are responsible in some way too.


EDIT: Oh yeah the Bournemouth game was after that. Oh well, point still stands, we should have just stuck with Cuthbert and Frampton.

Yes, of course. And there's two ways you can react to that - let it get to you and get dragged down by it yourself or show some fucking spirit and do the best you can despite the idiot in charge. While looking for a less idiot-led job, obviously. If nowt else, you've got a much better chance of getting the less idiot-led position if you haven't allowed it to completely demoralise you and can demonstrate you've done something to at least take charge of your own performance

You're probably right. I'm just really rather cross. I suspect I'm not alone in this

Maybe the problem is the players are all starting to think about their next job!

No, no, no.  If we're talking long term Cuthbert and one of Misun and Flint need giving time, but time we do not have. Frampton is unbelievably average and not a long term signing, at least I hope not.

BUT Right now, we should be playing Cuthbert and Frampton, absolutely no doubt. How can it be worse then tonight? Flint will be a good player for us, but right now we need our strongest 11, the most experienced and dependant side we can put out.

Clearly not. Or they'd be pulling their bloody fingers out a bit more. Relegation won't sit any better on their CVs than it will on Wilson's

Or maybe they've spoken to their agent who will promise them he can get them a move away. I'm not saying the players shouldn't do what you say - but they all seem to ducking away from the problems rather than facing them head on - just like the manager is. The more I think back to the interviews etc. the more I realise Wilson's attitude (play-off contention when we were still shit) rubbed off on the players too much early on.

or maybe it's vice-versa. Fucks knows.

I must confess, I'd kind of assumed that that was just soft-soap bullshit for public consumption and that in private he was bollocking them behind closed doors.

I had more when he scored for us with a pen the weekend after :D

It wouldn't surprise me if he just gave the players the same speech every fucking week.

That must be right.  At the beginning of last season we weren't scoring goals (Paynter was no top striker, although a good worker) but we dug in and didn't lose much after Gillingham.  We got our heads down, we started to score and got lucky on the back of a competitive attitude, especially at the back and in midfield.

Every minute of every game is now a bitter scrap for points.  We need experience on the pitch as you suggest Panda, we need consistent selection and we need someone that will motivate.  I'm afraid that does mean step aside Danny.

It might not work and League 2 may follow.  We've been there before I know but I think that would be a MASSIVE step back to the club and its wider plans and ambitions  (a sniff at the Championship, a new ground, balancing books)

I'm afraid I would be thinking about short term motivators ahead of managers I like (Danny himself included in that latter category), ie Paul Allen, Denis Wise, possibly even Lou but more current experience would be preferable.  Big Sam even on a month by month contract so he could go to Barca if invited and we could let him go once we hit 50 points.

I personally think that Wilson doens't play Cuthbert is because him and Phil Smith don't get on. When they play together they always seem to argue.

I don't have the time to catch up with all of this thread (my Boss is nearby!) but want to say my piece. Wilson needs to go. Now.

Those who think he should stay till the end of the season so as not to de stabilise the team should ask themselves how much worse it could get? On current form, the most likely outcome is Division 2 next season. If we get rid of him closed season, his replacement will only have the pre season to sort out what his views of players strengths and weaknesses are.

Get rid of him now and his replacement will have the rest of this season to watch the squad playing competitive football to give him a realistic view of thier capabilities.

What is the worst thing that could happen if we get rid of him now?

As for a replacement, I think we should have another punt at a player manager. Get a good mid field/ forward player in who is coming to the end of his playing days. Have a season or half a season benefitting from someone with real skill in the squad and build from their.

Kevin Phillips or the like?

Martin Allen

add to that Paul Trollope.

Ooh, Fatburys going to come hunting for you.

why?

i'd give him the job till the end of the season.
he's something a bit different,and could be just what we need.
can't see how a short term deal has anything to lose for us.

I've never understood the Paul Trollope thing. He's someone who has already been sacked from a club in our division. As I said before, I don't like the guy but I would offer Dennis Wise the job until the end of the season. Why? Well, when he was here before every player seemed to know their role and he seemed to know exactly what every player's best position should be. He had belief and a spark about him which I think fed through to the players. He seemed to have a plan B and C and used them when necessary. His man management skills were clearly appreciated by the players which could help sort out some of the apparent rifts in the squad. I know that some will say it was Poyet who was the brains behind their management team but we need someone who will lift and motivate the players and, in turn, the crowd. Wise certainly could do that. Until last night I was not in the Wilson out camp. I like the guy and wish it had worked out but I just don't see things improving unless he goes.

Bring it on! :D

Where have all the "we're too good to go down" merchants fucked off to today? Strange how one result, that's hardly out of line with the form over the rest of the season, seems to have turned the tide of opinion. Shame it's way too fucking late to do anything about it now isn't it?

They've been replaced by the annoying 'I told you so brigade'

I think they're where they always were. In your head.

Well where the fuck are they? I think I have what it takes to join up.

Everyone has their own tipping point. Yours was just before theirs (ours).

To explain why I'm changing my mind its not just on the defeat, but the way it all came about:
   - Bizaare starting lineups (Rose left wing, rookie defender over Cuthbert)
   - Bizaare substitutions (leaving it to 1 minute past HT. Prutton on right then move again)
   - Bizaare Wilson post-match interview (the problem is up front)
   - Conceeding another 3 goals while "playing well" (I thought we had started to turn the corner and Bournemouth was just unlucky)

It kind of hit home how much do do we are in, not because of the pointage. But because of the seemingly lack of improvement, ideas and constant tinkering.

But what I will say is that we are NOT down yet. It is perfectly possible to stay up while Rovers, Plymouth and Exeter are also useless. It is perfectly possible Walsall's run will end. It is possible we will improve, even if this is down to 'luck' or new players settling in (Benyon and Obiyka/Misun).

It ain't over 'til its over.

No one is ever too good to go down.

But the problem is Wilson. Get rid of Wilson now and we'll stay up. If Wilson stays we go down.

That is a prediction, not a suggestion and it's not guaranteed either.

*Bizarre

Batch OUT!

My question really is whether that is any different to any one of a dozen games this season. They seem to be the same complaints that others have made since... well since the last time we played Orient.

I know it's still not over, and the little run of managing to at least keep clean sheets did give me some hope that we could scrape our way through this season and put our house in order come teh summer, but even that seems to have been undone now.

That’s pretty much how I feel today.

Although the last point bullet point (“playing well”) does have seem to have some validity based on the views of some people at the game.

No it isn't. That's the point which started to change my mind.

The last three home games were 0-0, 0-0, 1-1. I thought we were at last starting to build a solid base from which we could adjust and become more offensive.

But we've let 6 in over two away games. For the umpteenth time. And we seem incapable of changing it. Hence my optimism has completely drained away. Hope I'm wrong (obviously).

So do I mate, so do I

Dead Man Walking.

I like to think I'm very patient when it comes to managers (I even stuck up for Malpas longer than most!) but Wilson's situation is now untenable.

I think a lot of us are resigned to a bottom 4 finish if he remains in charge, as nothing he does seems to work.

I'm not going to call him a cunt, or lose my rag with him, as I genuinely think he's a decent manager. But, whatever the reason(s), he can't seem to get the squad HE assembled clicking.

He should go, but the players should take a long hard look at themselves as well.

Totally correct.

Your forgetting that Wise had Poyet with him, it may be interesting to note that Poyet has taken his first steps into managment and has seemingly done well so far, but Wise has dissapeared - I wouldn't want him back and in our position would it be right for a player manager or an in-experienced manager, although Gary Neville has just hung up his boots.

Didn't wise get caught up in all that Newcastle nonsense and decided he didn't want to be a manager anymore?

I can't see how it's a realistic suggestion as a replacement at all.

I'm with you on this Batch. Always try to see the positives but that has become increasingly difficult over the last few games, and last night - while only one game - may have been the straw that broke the camel's back.

After Bournemouth as you say we had actually put in some decent performances, and if a few small breaks had gone our way could easily have come out of that 3 game stretch with 7 points and a bit of breathing space.

But after a certain point, you can't blame the bad breaks and you need to stand up and make your own luck to an extent, which is unfortunately not something Wilson looks like doing anytime soon.

100% agree with this post

+1

I've resigned myself to the fact that we are going down, Fitton isn't going to sack Wilson, If he did i think we would have a chance of staying up but if he stays we aint staying up and i can't see him going so what can we do?!

Let's say Wilson was sacked tomorrow who is there available straight away that you would say I'd trust him to at least get some fire into the players and we may have a chance of survival, I've listed a few that are available:

Di Matteo - would probably want championship level and is on 'garden leave' so still being paid
Curbishley - will he drop to this level
Alan Irvine - no better than Wilson
Gary Johnson - Proven at this level
Roy Keane - No thanks
Kevin Dillon - No thanks
Phil Parkinson - is he any better than Wilson ?
George Burley - interesting
Brian Laws - No thanks
Sam Allardyce - No chance
Chris Hughton - no thanks
Gordon Strachan - no thanks
Kevin Blackwell - maybe
Paul Sturrock - no going back
Martin Allen - no thanks

So after my little list I'm really not sure that there is anyone decent readily available to help out so it may be better the devil you know until the end of the season

You missed out Steve McClaren  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Gary Johnson is the only manager that I think would come to us and that I would want to come here from the list of free managers currently.

I have been rather patient with Wilson but last night was the final straw.

Our bench was so strong and our first team was full of unxeperienced players or players out of position, just go back to what served us so well last year. I feel that the players really dont want to play for Wilson and there must  be some ill-feeling there, otherwise why would players like Cuthbert and Ferry be losing out to Flint and Timlin?

I think someone new to come in might just give the players the lift they need because at the moment they dont want to be on the pitch. Also, somone new might actuall play our best players in position!

Why limit ourselves to a currently available manager?

We have a proven track record of turning Golden Years players into, at worst, workable player managers. Mccari, Ardilles, Hoddle. Even McMahon did us proud in his first full season (I will overlook the Razor Ruddock shite he foisted on us). Why not try that tack again.


Someoen new might even turn out to BE one of our best players.

Fuck me I'd have Brian Laws over Kevin Blackwell anyday.

Most Wednesday fans will admit he was unlucky to have managed them at a time when the club was a basketcase, and did wonders in his first couple of seasons to hold them together.

Blackwell on the other hand was well supported by his board. Drove the wage bill way up at Brammal lane. So much so that the local media was reporting that even after 18 months of trimming it still stands at about £10m a year (this with only about 15/16 pro's on the books). And they were still a bit shit. I don't know a single Blade that would have him back at the club in any capacity.

I think the main argument is that it couldn't possibly be any worse with any other manager.

I reckon a change will help, especially if the new manager can motivate them. The players are good enough to keep us up, they just need a manager that can instill a bit of confidence in them again.

If it is, it's nearly as stupid an argument as the "relegation would be ace" fuckwittery. What on earth are you on today? And can I have a case of it please?

:nod:

But these days players of that calibre are few and far between and have earned so much money they are happy sitting at home or going into a media career, not wanting the flak of management.

Gary Neville just retired.

He wouldnt go for it, in a million years - he's United for life but still. I think he'd be a good manager.

The only other team he would even consider being Bury, his fathers club, hes a non starter I feel.

throwing an untried player manager into a relegation scrap is a bit of a risk.

but I'm fast coming to the conclusion getting a good manager is all about luck!  even the good ones either leave or turn bad in the end :-)

Let's face it, the chance to replace the manager to turn this season around has gone. The only justification for sacking Wilson between now and the end of the season, would be if it became impossible to escape relegation, or (even more fucking unlikely) we find ourself safe from relegation with part of the season still to play.

In that case it might make some sense to give a new manager as long as possible to assess the existing squad and build for next season.

All this assumes that no-one is suggesting we should renew Danny boy's contract at the end of the season.

You've lost me again. How could another manager do worse than one that is going to get us relegated?

They could cost us craploads in Wilson's payoff plus a new backroom team and still get us relegated,

Put your money on Hughton

In which case, you may as well apply for the job. Or me or anyone. Can't possibly be any worse.

I'd pretty much soil myself in sheer delight if that happened

Never made a bet before then ?

When I started this thread 2 months ago most people had a go at me. Well look at you all now, seems I was right all along.  :nod:

Well, for all the huffing and puffing on here, it would seem he is still with us, for one more game at least...

Pleased that we've continued to be shit?

and?

so what if people were right about wilson. i thought he had taken us as far as he ever would months ago,but he deserved time to get us going.
it hasn't worked out.

now the replacement is the big issue now as fitton has to act.
as i've already said earlier today i'd offer mad dog a short term deal.
if we were to wait until the summer then an able manager like gary johnson i'd be pleased with.i just dont think he'd offer anything different to get results fast.
gary neville too i'd think may struggle to get results fast,but i'm sure will make a fine manager when the time is right.

The problem with the idea of offering Manager XYZ a short-term deal to keep us up is that you also have to be prepared for them to then become your long-term manager if they succeed in doing so. I can (just) see the rationale for Allen being able to fire enough life into the players to keep us up short-term but simple inertia and "done a good job so far" says that if he did succeed, he'd likely remain in the job into next season. Which, as Cheltenham among others can tell you, is a less satisfying prospect.

If we are to appoint a new manager, we should appoint one we think can not just keep us up but rebuild us and enable us to progress next season and beyond. That applies to any potential "only for the short term" appointment btw, not just Allen

I know exactly where Arriba is coming from RE the replacement manager but I do think that Gary Johnson would offer us a new approach tactically now.

I also understand about Martin Allen coming in and changing things but there is obviously something about him that clubs don't like and Chairmen dont enjoy working with after his Leciester and Cheltenham debacle.

So if Danny is replaced I would like to see Gary Johnson come in and do the job but please not Martin Allen.

I like the assumption that Johnson would want to manage Swindon :)

Well done you.

If I start a "New Manager Out!" thread now, I'll get the drop on the rest of you and eventually be proved right.

Then I can act all smug when the inevitable happens.

A pretty fair assumption I think!

I'd love us to get Gary Johnson.

Then we could sing:

" Oh Gary Johnson, used to manage Shitty but he's alright now!"

Get Jim Magilton in.

We could sing that about Wilson.

DRS have you taken complete leave of your senses?

We have sung that about wilson.

Smugness is fun.  :girlgiggle:

The appointment of Gary Johnson would wind many of the Bristol City lot right up, therefore I'd support such a move.

Wilson's still here though, right?

Pah like that should get in the way of idle speculation. Got to look to the future.

Johnson Out!

DRS's senses have gone AWOL! probably sat next to Desmond Tutu on a bus!

If Danny Wilson does leave i personally would like Calderwood given a chance here.....did an ok job at Forest if not pulling up any trees..........would he leave Hibs,i dont know but i for one would love him here.
Lots of experience coaching as well.

And it's such an endearing trait, too  ::)

I think he may well be leaving Hibs quite soon Leefer and I think there would be no shortage of Hibs fans prepared to drive him down to Swindon either!

Prior to beating St Mirren the other night, their record in the previous 12 games was as follows:

P 12 W 0 D 3 L 9 F 6 A 22

And for good measure, up until that St Mirren game, they had not scored a single, solitary goal in 7 (that's SEVEN) games. So the good news is, I reckon he may soon be available  8)

Stats worthy of taking the Swindon post.

Not saying he is a world beater...just think he would/could galvanise the Town.....a few of the old fans may return and who knows he may do a good job......it wont happen but i for one would like him here,though can understand why many wouldn't.

I don't want another re-cycled manager - just fresh from a sacking/walking out, so for me, its a big no to Calderwood, Johnson, and all the rest of those fucking failures.

Just look at all the 'good' managers in our league, they're all pretty much untried, first proper managerial role, ex players  - Robinson at Dongs, Clark at Huddersfield, Poyet at Brighton, Tisdale at Exeter, Howe/Bradbury at Muff, Dickov at Oldham... I mean I could go on... These are people with fresh ideas, new perspectives, not just a bunch of 'seasoned' morons spewing out the same tired shit at every club they go to.

The problem is, if Wilson goes the board won't risk handing over the reigns to a Bodin or a McLoughlin due to our perilous position so we probably will be welcoming another failure straight from the managerial merry-go-round.

I'm just so tired of this whole debate, so sick of this season, even when I think about it during my working day I feel like vomiting, its all just....so fucking shitty shit fuck.  :doh:  :suicide:

Understand your thinking leefer - many long suffering town fans would probably find his appointment exciting/positive - i would - but we must get behind Danny & the team for now..........

Goodbye negativity eh?

But that aside are you enjoying it? :)

I wouldnt call Gary Johnson a failure, certainly not in his last 3 jobs.

I agree, 2 promotions with Yeovil, They wouldn't be were they are today if it wasn't for him, Got City out of this league so he knows what it takes and almost got them in the premiership.

Done ok at Peterborough and was harshly sacked.

What impresses me most about Johnson is he took Yeovil up two divisions and City up one division, has since left and both teams are still in the Leagues he got them promoted to.

So, even once he leaves he must leave a decent infrastructure behind.

P'boro were as good as down when he took over and he was sacked when they were up in 7th, I'd kill for 7th right now!

yep, goodbye 'goodbye negativity'.


Oh totally... ;) I do sit near the angriest man in the Don Rogers and I think his repetitive furious mantra is now rubbing off on me.... gulp, I pray it doesnt get any worse!


Stop picking obvious holes in my argument... you're letting actual facts get in the way of my unstable rant. This isnt improving my mood!!!