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« Reply #30 on: Monday, January 16, 2006, 03:00:51 » |
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No it doesn't condemn it at all.
Firstly Robben did nothing wrong so shouldn't have got a second booking anyway, and even if he had jumped into the actual crowd, they were suggesting that the referee can still use his discretion and not book him which if it would be a sending off would be a good idea. Any talk of oh you can't make any exceptions just because he's already been booked is bollocks, it's not like referee's never do that. It's just the same if a player makes a bad tackle the referee might warn him and if he makes a similar tackle again then he'll book him, some decision are just down to the referees judgement and a good ref should realise how ridiculous it is to send someone off for scoring, so if they thought it was a borderline booking they wouldn't make it two yellows. Really though it wasn't a booking anyway so the ref shouldn't have done anything.
Inciting the other team's fans is one thing but he didn't do that, they were Chelsea fans and there was a barrier between him and them so to send him off is fucking stupid.
To be honest I see no reason why a player shouldn't be able to jump in the crowd and run half way up the stand hugging people if that's how they want to celebrate and they shouldn't be booked.
I can't believe so many people are actually defending the decision, the only reason I can think of is because of hating Chelsea because if it was anyone else I don't think you would. I'd still think it was ridiculous whichever team it was, if it was someone playing Swindon I'd take it but it would be a shite decision.
Still I guess it would make be an interesting rulechange if every time a player scores he gets sent off.
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« Reply #31 on: Monday, January 16, 2006, 03:16:04 » |
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I agree with Ben, there's no way Robben should've been sent off for that celebration. However, i can see why the referee did send him off, although i disagree with the decision.
Robben's first booking shouldn't have been a yellow anyway
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« Reply #32 on: Monday, January 16, 2006, 08:39:42 » |
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No it doesn't condemn it at all.
Firstly Robben did nothing wrong so shouldn't have got a second booking anyway, and even if he had jumped into the actual crowd, they were suggesting that the referee can still use his discretion and not book him which if it would be a sending off would be a good idea. Any talk of oh you can't make any exceptions just because he's already been booked is bollocks, it's not like referee's never do that. It's just the same if a player makes a bad tackle the referee might warn him and if he makes a similar tackle again then he'll book him, some decision are just down to the referees judgement and a good ref should realise how ridiculous it is to send someone off for scoring, so if they thought it was a borderline booking they wouldn't make it two yellows. Really though it wasn't a booking anyway so the ref shouldn't have done anything.
Inciting the other team's fans is one thing but he didn't do that, they were Chelsea fans and there was a barrier between him and them so to send him off is fucking stupid.
To be honest I see no reason why a player shouldn't be able to jump in the crowd and run half way up the stand hugging people if that's how they want to celebrate and they shouldn't be booked.
I can't believe so many people are actually defending the decision, the only reason I can think of is because of hating Chelsea because if it was anyone else I don't think you would. I'd still think it was ridiculous whichever team it was, if it was someone playing Swindon I'd take it but it would be a shite decision.
Still I guess it would make be an interesting rulechange if every time a player scores he gets sent off. Spot on. Glad somebody watched the rules too! |
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« Reply #33 on: Monday, January 16, 2006, 08:42:26 » |
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The referee was correct to send him off .. if you jump the surrounding fence its a yellow card .. and he had one already so really should have used a bit of intelligence ...
However its hardly inciting the crowd -- as its a goal ... and to be honest FIFA needs to look at changing the rule for this
Sunderland deserved a draw for their hard work
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« Reply #34 on: Monday, January 16, 2006, 12:24:21 » |
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Ben, this shit about it being an advertising board is Le Saux on MOTD talking bollocks as usual.
The rule is that it's a booking if you leave the field of play. Which he did.
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« Reply #35 on: Monday, January 16, 2006, 12:26:14 » |
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le saux is a gay for gods sake. now they really are barely people!
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« Reply #36 on: Monday, January 16, 2006, 12:42:13 » |
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As said, leaving/entering the field of play without consent is a bookable offence. Rules are rules. Refs have a bee in their bonnet about it at the moment so that's that. It doesn't matter if it is a stupid rule or not, it's a booking. http://www.fifa.com/en/laws/Laws12_04.htm - Cautionable Offences, law 12, point 6 & point 7, cautionable offences.
A player is cautioned and shown the yellow card if he commits any of the following seven offences.
6. enters or re-enters the field of play without The Referee’s permission
7. deliberately leaves the field of play without The Referee’s permission.
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« Reply #37 on: Monday, January 16, 2006, 13:07:50 » |
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The field of play is anything inside the touchline which means that rule is utterly ridiculous and fifa should change it immediately because is a very sad situation when a player is sent off merely for celebrating a goal he's scored. It is ridiculous and shouldn't be allowed to happen. End of.
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« Reply #38 on: Monday, January 16, 2006, 13:09:47 » |
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« Reply #39 on: Monday, January 16, 2006, 13:12:25 » |
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After the game they did a report on it and showed the footballing rules and regulations. When comparing what Robben did and the regulations the conclusion was that it didn't warrant the booking. Fowler got a booking for doing it the other day but thats because he was inciting the opposition fans which is something Robben did not do.
Also he didn't actually go into the crowd, the crowd came to him as he was behind the barrier.
It also mentioned in the regulations that common sense is something the referee should use in such circumstances which is clearly something he didnt use at all!
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« Reply #40 on: Monday, January 16, 2006, 13:14:50 » |
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I stand corrected, sorry:
Celebration of a goal
While it is permissible for a player to demonstrate his joy when a goal
has been scored, the celebration must not be excessive.
FIFA recognised in Circular No. 579 that such reasonable celebrations
are allowed. The practice of choreographed celebrations is not to be
encouraged when it results in excessive timewasting and referees are
instructed to intervene in such cases.
A player must be cautioned when:
• in the opinion of the referee, he makes gestures which are provocative,
derisory or infl ammatory
• he climbs on to a perimeter fence to celebrate a goal being scored
• he removes his shirt over his head or covers his head with his shirt
Leaving the fi eld to celebrate a goal is not a cautionable offence in
itself but it is essential that players return to the fi eld as soon as possible.
Referees are expected to act in a preventative mode and to exercise
common-sense in dealing with the celebration of a goal.
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« Reply #41 on: Monday, January 16, 2006, 13:26:48 » |
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Yeah I thought there must be some more rules about it., that makes more sense The referee chief has said he was booked for jumping on the rail not just for crossing the touchline. http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/06/01/16/SOCCER_Referees.html&TEAMHD=soccerHackett said: "The reason he received a yellow card is that he jumped over the advertising hoardings, jumped on to the rail and created a crowd surge. But he didn't jump on the rail that so that guy really should watch the footage again and having seen the footage it didn't look at all dangerous so as he'd already been harshly booked there was no need to book him again. |
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« Reply #42 on: Monday, January 16, 2006, 13:31:09 » |
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I stand corrected, sorry:
Celebration of a goal
While it is permissible for a player to demonstrate his joy when a goal
has been scored, the celebration must not be excessive
FIFA recognised in Circular No. 579 that such reasonable celebrations
are allowed. The practice of choreographed celebrations is not to be
encouraged when it results in excessive timewasting and referees are
instructed to intervene in such cases.
A player must be cautioned when:
• in the opinion of the referee, he makes gestures which are provocative,
derisory or infl ammatory
• he climbs on to a perimeter fence to celebrate a goal being scored
• he removes his shirt over his head or covers his head with his shirt
Leaving the fi eld to celebrate a goal is not a cautionable offence in
itself but it is essential that players return to the fi eld as soon as possible.
Referees are expected to act in a preventative mode and to exercise
common-sense in dealing with the celebration of a goal.
 His celebration wasn't excessive, he didnt make provocative gestures, he didn't climb on the fence, he didn't remove his shirt - now someone tell me what grounds there were for a booking? |
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« Reply #43 on: Monday, January 16, 2006, 13:35:48 » |
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« Reply #44 on: Monday, January 16, 2006, 13:39:35 » |
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I stand corrected, sorry:
Celebration of a goal
While it is permissible for a player to demonstrate his joy when a goal
has been scored, the celebration must not be excessive
FIFA recognised in Circular No. 579 that such reasonable celebrations
are allowed. The practice of choreographed celebrations is not to be
encouraged when it results in excessive timewasting and referees are
instructed to intervene in such cases.
A player must be cautioned when:
• in the opinion of the referee, he makes gestures which are provocative,
derisory or infl ammatory
• he climbs on to a perimeter fence to celebrate a goal being scored
• he removes his shirt over his head or covers his head with his shirt
Leaving the fi eld to celebrate a goal is not a cautionable offence in
itself but it is essential that players return to the fi eld as soon as possible.
Referees are expected to act in a preventative mode and to exercise
common-sense in dealing with the celebration of a goal.
His celebration wasn't excessive, he didnt make provocative gestures, he didn't climb on the fence, he didn't remove his shirt - now someone tell me what grounds there were for a booking? He plays for Chelsea!.  |
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