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Question: Who gets your vote come GE day?  (Voting closed: Friday, July 5, 2024, 18:37:35)
Conservatives - 6 (5.4%)
Labour - 58 (51.8%)
Lib Dems - 15 (13.4%)
SNP - 0 (0%)
Plaid Cymru - 0 (0%)
Green - 7 (6.3%)
Reform UK - 13 (11.6%)
Spoilt paper - 8 (7.1%)
Not voting - 5 (4.5%)
Total Voters: 112

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« Reply #15 on: Thursday, June 6, 2024, 11:28:43 »

Zero seats is a bit of a stretch, anything less than 100 would still be hilarious and is essentially a wipeout in our near 2 party system

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« Reply #16 on: Thursday, June 6, 2024, 11:35:21 »

I don't think much will noticeably change with a labour government, but I'm hoping they will move away from culture war and vindictive policies and focus on getting some basics working. Housing, NHS & Criminal Justice system etc..

I'll be voting to unseat Justin Tomlinson, so it's a vote for labour.
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« Reply #17 on: Thursday, June 6, 2024, 11:52:54 »

Ditto Ben
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« Reply #18 on: Thursday, June 6, 2024, 11:58:34 »

I don't think much will noticeably change with a labour government, but I'm hoping they will move away from culture war and vindictive policies and focus on getting some basics working. Housing, NHS & Criminal Justice system etc..

I'll be voting to unseat Justin Tomlinson, so it's a vote for labour.

This.  There isn't a good option to vote for unfortunately, but the least we can expect is that the Tories feel as much pain as possible and realise that they can't get away again with taking the British public for granted.  They need a complete reset and purge of the crooks, if that is ever possible to happen.

Sound familiar to closer to home?
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« Reply #19 on: Thursday, June 6, 2024, 12:02:53 »

Also sounds like Trump/Biden/Trump*

* Probably
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« Reply #20 on: Thursday, June 6, 2024, 12:38:47 »

Zero seats is a bit of a stretch, anything less than 100 would still be hilarious and is essentially a wipeout in our near 2 party system



I don't actually expect it to happen, if I had to guess now I'd say they'd get about 150, but like the prospect of Swindon ever reaching the heights of the championship, we can but dream
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« Reply #21 on: Thursday, June 6, 2024, 13:37:47 »

This.  There isn't a good option to vote for unfortunately, but the least we can expect is that the Tories feel as much pain as possible and realise that they can't get away again with taking the British public for granted.  They need a complete reset and purge of the crooks, if that is ever possible to happen.

Sound familiar to closer to home?

Well interestingly from my perspective youíre highlighting what Labour have done in the past, take their voters for granted and not listened to them, hence the 80 seat majority at the last election for the conservatives. So yes, it does sound familiar.

Worryingly is if the polls turn out to be correct and and Labour sweep all before them like a certain German National Socialist Party in the 1930ís (not violently of course) then Iíll bet you £20 to a pinch of shit the same will happen further down the line to them. It always does. No effective opposition means those in power get to do what the fuck they like. So be careful of crowing to hard and to long about the Conservative parties supposed demise post election.

My worry about labour is tax. Yes, they and the cons say they wonít put up tax. Fuck me, as a con voter Iím deeply annoyed at the levels weíre paying now, directly and indirectly, but sadly labour have form when it comes to spending money, where is it going to come from if they do a McBrown? The really well off you class war lot bitch about will fuck off or hide it even more, the poorer may well benefit but it is us the squeezed middle whoíll suffer the most.

Immigration? Not worried about those Legally coming here for work with the requisite skills, it is the unskilled, the extended families who likely as not will contribute nothing and more than anything the boats from France. Other than the danger to their lives, it is or appears to be all males. Young men without skills, some my have but you just have no idea who these people are and what adverse effect they have on our budget, a cost we all have to bear. The French have no real appetite to stop them, why should they, they become our problem not theirs. Even though they should seek asylum in the first country of entry. Itís a joke. A bad joke all round and the cons have done fuck all about that. The NHS, great institution, need more money? Does it? Does it really? It seems the more we put in the less weíre getting back, it cannot go on. Armed forces, deffo more money, again they waste shit loads. Crime, bloody hell, where do you start? The list is endless and for me as I have stated no, no more, they can all fuck off.

Iím sure youíll counter what I have said, fair play to you I wonít bother replying, no point. Youíre not going to change the way I think, feel or what I see. The same applies to you too. Good luck going forward you young idealistic punks, youíre going to fucking need it.

By the time then next election come round Iíll be retired. I do hope labour keep the triple lock though, selfish yeah, Iíve paid my dues Iím entitled to it and I will do my best to dodge the coffin for as long as I can.
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« Reply #22 on: Thursday, June 6, 2024, 13:48:58 »

Worryingly is if the polls turn out to be correct and and Labour sweep all before them like a certain German National Socialist Party in the 1930ís (not violently of course)

Apart from being a weird comparison, this is not historically accurate, the Nazis never won a majority in contested elections (they did after the Enabling Act, but that was because literally nobody else was allowed to stand). At their electoral peak in 1932, they won 44% of the vote. Germany at the time used pure PR, so they got 44% of the seats. That would be a smaller parliamentary party than basically any PM has ever had in the UK political system - even during the Cameron/Clegg coalition, the Conservatives had 47% of the seats.
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« Reply #23 on: Thursday, June 6, 2024, 14:52:41 »

Well interestingly from my perspective youíre highlighting what Labour have done in the past, take their voters for granted and not listened to them, hence the 80 seat majority at the last election for the conservatives. So yes, it does sound familiar.

Worryingly is if the polls turn out to be correct and and Labour sweep all before them like a certain German National Socialist Party in the 1930ís (not violently of course) then Iíll bet you £20 to a pinch of shit the same will happen further down the line to them. It always does. No effective opposition means those in power get to do what the fuck they like. So be careful of crowing to hard and to long about the Conservative parties supposed demise post election.

My worry about labour is tax. Yes, they and the cons say they wonít put up tax. Fuck me, as a con voter Iím deeply annoyed at the levels weíre paying now, directly and indirectly, but sadly labour have form when it comes to spending money, where is it going to come from if they do a McBrown? The really well off you class war lot bitch about will fuck off or hide it even more, the poorer may well benefit but it is us the squeezed middle whoíll suffer the most.

Immigration? Not worried about those Legally coming here for work with the requisite skills, it is the unskilled, the extended families who likely as not will contribute nothing and more than anything the boats from France. Other than the danger to their lives, it is or appears to be all males. Young men without skills, some my have but you just have no idea who these people are and what adverse effect they have on our budget, a cost we all have to bear. The French have no real appetite to stop them, why should they, they become our problem not theirs. Even though they should seek asylum in the first country of entry. Itís a joke. A bad joke all round and the cons have done fuck all about that. The NHS, great institution, need more money? Does it? Does it really? It seems the more we put in the less weíre getting back, it cannot go on. Armed forces, deffo more money, again they waste shit loads. Crime, bloody hell, where do you start? The list is endless and for me as I have stated no, no more, they can all fuck off.

Iím sure youíll counter what I have said, fair play to you I wonít bother replying, no point. Youíre not going to change the way I think, feel or what I see. The same applies to you too. Good luck going forward you young idealistic punks, youíre going to fucking need it.

By the time then next election come round Iíll be retired. I do hope labour keep the triple lock though, selfish yeah, Iíve paid my dues Iím entitled to it and I will do my best to dodge the coffin for as long as I can.

I am not sure if some or all of that is aimed at me based on what I said, but I don't think the majority of even the most staunch Tory voters would disagree with me. I am typically a swing voter, but have fallen on the side of the Tories the majority of the time due to what suits me personally/professionally, but I can't consider voting Tory this time around due to the reasons in my original post - the only shame is that there is not an opposition that I can feel comfortable with either or convince me to truly get behind.  I have no doubts that the Tories will be back in 5 years time, but hopefully with fresh leadership and staff.  Liz Truss was the straw for me, and that is saying something after the blonde buffoon had been holding the reigns previously.
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« Reply #24 on: Thursday, June 6, 2024, 15:15:17 »

LL - a British Indian who is against immigration Cheesy

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« Reply #25 on: Thursday, June 6, 2024, 15:57:20 »

For me personally the fact that they were so utterly appaling at dealing with covid and killed record numbers should be enough to never vote for them, but I still hear people saying they did really well with covid, It beggars belief
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« Reply #26 on: Thursday, June 6, 2024, 16:28:35 »

Many years ago someone told me that for the majority of people in this country neither labour or Tory will do anything for you, unless you are super rich, in which case you would clearly be better off voting Tory or if you are in the poorest in society where you would be better off voting labour.

For those in the middle it depends if you have a social conscience and care about others (outside of your direct circle of family & friends).

This is still true, probably more so than ever
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« Reply #27 on: Thursday, June 6, 2024, 16:44:10 »

LL - a British Indian who is against immigration Cheesy

Couldn't make it up

Immigration (the illegal kind) isn't a racial issue tbf.
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« Reply #28 on: Thursday, June 6, 2024, 16:57:31 »

Immigration (the illegal kind) isn't a racial issue tbf.
It is for many of the people against it
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« Reply #29 on: Thursday, June 6, 2024, 17:07:21 »

The question that should be asked and addressed about illegal immigration is what the end game for them is.

Are they going to get a job, their own accommodation, their own family etc - the usual things we all aspire to.

To me it is very doubtful. Then what do they do for the rest of their lives?
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