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« Reply #390 on: Sunday, November 19, 2023, 10:17:21 »

Fan ownership would make the club more sustainable in the long run as the club would have to live within its means and wouldnít be able to rely on a owner to bankroll the club.

Realistically under this model the best Swindon could realistically achieve would be anywhere between a mid table league 1 team to a top end league 2 team.

I guess thatís a slight improvement on where we are now but Iím sure most fans would want Swindon to be near the top end of league 1 or even having a few seasons in the championship (all be it fighting off relegation). This will either take heavy investment or some brilliant recruitment.


I guess perhaps the long term goal with fan ownership is to get the club steady, debt free, living within it means and thus making it a better & viable business for a genuine business people to invest in (rather than outright buy & take full control) Even a 51/49 thing so the fan ownership still has the deciding vote on decisions because letís be realistic here fan ownership isnít going to suddenly given us competitive budget and war chest of cash for signings.

Unless the authorities are going to make serious and significant changes to the financial regulations in football then fan owned clubs are never going to compete.


Going back to the here and now.. does anybody think any manager we could realistically have would be doing a better job than Flynn right now?

I mean Mad Gav would probably have us winning every week but other than that.

In all seriousness: I donít think Flynn is the problem here and a I donít think a change would see much difference.


 However I will say Iím not entire convinced Flynnís dedication to plan A & only plan A is all about the squad depth. Part of me thinks even if we did have a bigger squad and we did have more options to change things up weíd still play exactly like we are now and any subs would just be like for like - which would obviously help from a fatigue point of view but not from a doing something different point of view (a criticism fans of his previous clubs have with him) but that canít be proven one way or the other currently.
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« Reply #391 on: Sunday, November 19, 2023, 10:32:40 »

Going back to the here and now.. does anybody think any manager we could realistically have would be doing a better job than Flynn right now?

No. When you donít have funds you need to build  longer term aka Newport. I think Flynn needs January and next summer to sort the squad out. You only learn about individual player characters in adversity.
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« Reply #392 on: Sunday, November 19, 2023, 10:33:59 »

Going back to the here and now.. does anybody think any manager we could realistically have would be doing a better job than Flynn right now?
While I have a whole lot of sympathy for Flynn given the situation, Maher at Southend has shown that it is possible under even worse conditions.
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« Reply #393 on: Sunday, November 19, 2023, 10:34:57 »

I donít think Flynn is the problem here and a I donít think a change would see much difference.

However I will say Iím not entire convinced Flynnís dedication to plan A & only plan A is all about the squad depth. Part of me thinks even if we did have a bigger squad and we did have more options to change things up weíd still play exactly like we are now and any subs would just be like for like - which would obviously help from a fatigue point of view but not from a doing something different point of view (a criticism fans of his previous clubs have with him) but that canít be proven one way or the other currently.
I too think this FWIW, our lack of a plan B is a major downfall in Flynns management.
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« Reply #394 on: Sunday, November 19, 2023, 10:44:06 »

I think we all know in our heart of hearts, exactly what's going to happen in January...

We do, but some are still convinced the rest of Clems competitive budget is going to come out and save us.
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« Reply #395 on: Sunday, November 19, 2023, 10:45:52 »

I too think this FWIW, our lack of a plan B is a major downfall in Flynns management.

I donít think he has the ability to go plan B with the squad we have tbf
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« Reply #396 on: Sunday, November 19, 2023, 10:53:16 »

I donít think he has the ability to go plan B with the squad we have tbf
IMO it wouldnt be too difficult to go 4 at the back 4 of Dokes Minturn Brewitt and FBT and push Hutton and Kokolo into defensive winger roles then take Austin off and put 3 in the centre of midfield with Young up front, or any version of that.

That way both fullbacks should have extra protection from the wingbacks who are wingers and it allows us to be able to defend as a 4 unit at the back and yet the wingbacks/wingers can still get forwards and bolster the attack.

Just how I see it though.
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« Reply #397 on: Sunday, November 19, 2023, 10:54:14 »

IMO it wouldnt be too difficult to go 4 at the back 4 of Dokes Minturn Brewitt and FBT and push Hutton and Kokolo into defensive winger roles then take Austin off and put 3 in the centre of midfield with Young up front, or any version of that.

That way both fullbacks should have extra protection from the wingbacks who are wingers and it allows us to be able to defend as a 4 unit at the back and yet the wingbacks/wingers can still get forwards and bolster the attack.

Just how I see it though.

Fair enough. Wouldnít be too disappointed with that in tough away games
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« Reply #398 on: Sunday, November 19, 2023, 11:05:23 »

Fair enough. Wouldnít be too disappointed with that in tough away games
I would certainly consider it if we are protecting a lead, which we seem to fail frequently doing.
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« Reply #399 on: Sunday, November 19, 2023, 11:12:41 »

I too think this FWIW, our lack of a plan B is a major downfall in Flynns management.

Agree. Heís been dealt a bad hand but isnít playing it well at the moment. There was no need to change when we were playing well, but it seems weíre intent to try and rediscover our swashbuckling style rather than be pragmatic. Iíve not seen any rigid, defensive toughness in our formation all season. How hard should it be to go five at the back, with two men sitting in front when we want to hold onto a lead? But no, we play 3-1-4-2 and tell the opposition that they need to play one pass to open us up.
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« Reply #400 on: Sunday, November 19, 2023, 11:31:23 »

Would tightening up at the back detract from the one thing we are reasonably good at - attacking. If it did weíd have the worst of both worlds. Iím presuming that if Flynn thought we had the players capable of seeing a game out by being resolute we would.

Yesterdayís game showed up, yet again, how easy it is for the opposition to fashion big chances with a fairly simple, one dimensional approach. Even when we were pummelling sides we were still offering up chance after chance.

Chickens were always going to come home to roost. My question would be - is our present approach the one which  Flynn set out to play from the outset? Seeing as he missed out on a succession of CBs who to my knowledge werenít in the marauding style, I suspect not.
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« Reply #401 on: Sunday, November 19, 2023, 11:47:04 »

4 at the back should be fairly easy. I'd be tempted to drop Hutton and play Dokes at Right Back.

I'd go 4-2-3-1 but even that means we're struggling due to lack of fit players. Would work well if we had proper DCMs of even just Cain fit right now.

Mahoney

Dokes
Minturn
FBT
Kokolo

Kinsella
Khan

McEachran
Kemp
Cain

Young.


Reduces the reliance on a clearly smoked Charlie Austin.





Unfortunately by the time Cain gets fit or we get the chance to get some proper DCMs in, Young will be gone.
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« Reply #402 on: Sunday, November 19, 2023, 11:48:17 »

Would tightening up at the back detract from the one thing we are reasonably good at - attacking. If it did weíd have the worst of both worlds.
I understand what you are saying mate but strong defences dont lose you games, as long as you have a semi capable attack then you can grab a goal a game easily, but if you dont concede then you cant lose.

Strong attacks can win games but if you concede lots then it puts way more pressure onto the attacking players to score even more goals.

I have always believed that make a strong team defensively then you will win more games than you draw and you will draw more games than you lose.

Look at Stockport, they were decent but not outstanding going forwards, no flair players but they played as a total unit in defence and attack, the defended very well, much as Gills defended well without ever excelling in attack too yet both easily beat us in the end.

Get the defence right as a priority for me.
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« Reply #403 on: Sunday, November 19, 2023, 11:50:12 »

I understand what you are saying mate but strong defences dont lose you games, as long as you have a semi capable attack then you can grab a goal a game easily, but if you dont concede then you cant lose.

Strong attacks can win games but if you concede lots then it puts way more pressure onto the attacking players to score even more goals.

I have always believed that make a strong team defensively then you will win more games than you draw and you will draw more games than you lose.

Look at Stockport, they were decent but not outstanding going forwards, no flair players but they played as a total unit in defence and attack, the defended very well, much as Gills defended well without ever excelling in attack too yet both easily beat us in the end.

Get the defence right as a priority for me.

I was always taught build your defence first. It is akin to the foundations of a building.
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« Reply #404 on: Sunday, November 19, 2023, 11:54:30 »

I was always taught build your defence first. It is akin to the foundations of a building.
Exactly that.
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