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« Reply #180 on: Thursday, January 12, 2023, 20:28:45 »

It's no conincidence that our best performances this season have come when playing without any widemen.   A diamond 4 with 2 centre forwards and  Hutton and FBT bombing forward and crossing towards bodies in the box.
out of interest which were are best performances?
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« Reply #181 on: Thursday, January 12, 2023, 20:41:29 »

Mansfield was with the Diamond, not sure we used it in any other league games?
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« Reply #182 on: Thursday, January 12, 2023, 20:43:10 »

I disagree.  We have some bones of a team, but the squad is poorly compiled (position depth wise) and while Austin is a potential change, the majority is simply not good enough to challenge THIS season.

Wakeling for example - I like him, think he will improve with the right coaching and experience - however, he should not be your primary forward in a Top 3 challenge.  He'd be doing far better this season if we were able to manage his exposure to first team football.  Sadly, he is relied upon because we recruited poorly.

Jephcott - totally unsuitable for any formation we have tried and way of playing.  He would have been perfect in Wellens' team, or Flitcrofts for different reasons.

Adeloye - a big miss (no pun intended)

Massey - who?

Hepburn-Murphy - injured, possible prospect with no track record, one cameo

That was the forward line we recruited - before we get to the midfield.

None of them fit together.  All bar one are gambles and the one who isn't doesn't fit the way of playing.


This exactly. As I've posted elsewhere, pick a mode of play and formation and recruit to it. It's the only thing that's ever worked for us. Trouble is it either takes money or time, and we've not had a manager provided with enough of the former, or prepared to put in enough of the latter.

Lindsey never seemed to have a well developed idea of team shape and mode of play. We went through the closed season expecting to play   352 and it lasted one competitive game from what I remember.

Premier Teams may be able to recruit players with the quality to switch formations each week, or during a game even,  but in L2 most players need to be clear what their position and job is week in week out.



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« Reply #183 on: Thursday, January 12, 2023, 20:50:44 »

Mansfield was with the Diamond, not sure we used it in any other league games?

Ditched after the absolute bed shitting against Stockport in the cup, formation clearly got the blame there.
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« Reply #184 on: Thursday, January 12, 2023, 20:51:17 »

Mansfield was with the Diamond, not sure we used it in any other league games?
Bradford away the game before we were getting absolutely battered until FBT of all people went off injured after 20 mins and we went to a diamond.  Looked a totally different team, which is why he started it againt mansfield.

It's a small sample and we got dicked playing it at Stockport in the cup, but to ditch it entirely seemed odd.
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« Reply #185 on: Thursday, January 12, 2023, 21:31:16 »

out of interest which were are best performances?

Grimsby away First half, Doncaster away and Mansfield away.
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« Reply #186 on: Thursday, January 12, 2023, 22:08:54 »

I disagree.  We have some bones of a team, but the squad is poorly compiled (position depth wise) and while Austin is a potential change, the majority is simply not good enough to challenge THIS season.

Wakeling for example - I like him, think he will improve with the right coaching and experience - however, he should not be your primary forward in a Top 3 challenge.  He'd be doing far better this season if we were able to manage his exposure to first team football.  Sadly, he is relied upon because we recruited poorly.

Jephcott - totally unsuitable for any formation we have tried and way of playing.  He would have been perfect in Wellens' team, or Flitcrofts for different reasons.

Adeloye - a big miss (no pun intended)

Massey - who?

Hepburn-Murphy - injured, possible prospect with no track record, one cameo

That was the forward line we recruited - before we get to the midfield.

None of them fit together.  All bar one are gambles and the one who isn't doesn't fit the way of playing.

That is maybe your view.

We were weaker up front. I would say with CA in the team now we have the potential for it to be as good.

Midfield is just missing Payne but he is a league 1 player, we were very lucky to keep him last year.  

The defense and the keeper, I would say we are stronger.

We need to strengthing still but I don't believe we are that far away.
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« Reply #187 on: Thursday, January 12, 2023, 23:18:26 »

Maybe it’s just me but reflecting on the season as a whole and Ralph’s interview earlier something seems to have been lost.

I get the sustainable approach to running the club but surely it should be a sustainable way to be as successful as possible on the pitch not just sustainability for the sake of it. Something seems to have got lost in translation and the priority just seems to be player development over on pitch performance, somewhere along the line it feels like the fact we are a football club and the whole point of the club has been forgotten about.

Clem’s going to need to be very clear with his messaging and plans over the coming weeks as if it continues to feel like we are just existing as an agency to develop and showcase talent with results a secondary concern then season tickets are going to become a difficult sell.
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« Reply #188 on: Thursday, January 12, 2023, 23:31:31 »

Still even now, It doesn't take that much to get out League 2. If we had a manager like Steve Evans and allowed him to choose who he'd want to bring in, we'd easily be where Stevenage are now and would get promoted.

As it stands, that's all the club needs and should be all we're aiming for. The rest is just corporate waffle
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« Reply #189 on: Thursday, January 12, 2023, 23:37:29 »

Still even now, It doesn't take that much to get out League 2. If we had a manager like Steve Evans and allowed him to choose who he'd want to bring in, we'd easily be where Stevenage are now and would get promoted.

As it stands, that's all the club needs and should be all we're aiming for. The rest is just corporate waffle

steve evans has one football league promotion on his CV. League 2 Rotherham 10 years ago
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« Reply #190 on: Thursday, January 12, 2023, 23:59:48 »

steve evans has one football league promotion on his CV. League 2 Rotherham 10 years ago

He has two actually as he had back to back promotions with The Millers.

But your point stands. Evans has managed a lot of matches at a lot of clubs but only has two concrete achievements in league football. Mind this season looks set to be an outstanding one unless Stevenage blow up in the second half.

Evans demonstrates yet again how difficult it is to predict who'll succeed when and where.
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« Reply #191 on: Friday, January 13, 2023, 00:07:05 »

He has two actually as he had back to back promotions with The Millers.

But your point stands. Evans has managed a lot of matches at a lot of clubs but only has two concrete achievements in league football. Mind this season looks set to be an outstanding one unless Stevenage blow up in the second half.

Evans demonstrates yet again how difficult it is to predict who'll succeed when and where.

Ah yes it was listed as playoffs in manager honours not that he won them which he did.

Based on your last line it does beg the question why you bet on this particular market and end up on a swindon  forum 😉
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« Reply #192 on: Friday, January 13, 2023, 00:11:41 »

Ah yes it was listed as playoffs in manager honours not that he won them which he did.

Based on your last line it does beg the question why you bet on this particular market and end up on a swindon  forum 😉

It's that challenge and hope springs eternal!
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« Reply #193 on: Friday, January 13, 2023, 07:15:27 »

Some STFC content on Sky News this morning according to Chris Hull.
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« Reply #194 on: Friday, January 13, 2023, 07:44:27 »

Rob Angus mentions promotion, a lot Smiley


https://twitter.com/alidurdenBBC/status/1613805745702674433?t=jx-JgPYr_z0LEZBqiv8D5w&s=19
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