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« Reply #60 on: Sunday, February 27, 2022, 14:57:41 »

I wouldn't hold much hope putin will expect Ukraine to surrender if not carry on. No mention of a ceasefire either.
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« Reply #61 on: Sunday, February 27, 2022, 15:24:04 »

Putin seems mad and heartless enough to push the red button. Where he will aim nuclear weapons is the question. Some commentators are saying it could well be us as we're no longer a member of the EU. I'm not saying that's true but does seem a possibility. What I think is definitely the case is that this is the most under threat from nuclear war Britain has been in my lifetime.
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« Reply #62 on: Sunday, February 27, 2022, 15:47:18 »

Putin seems mad and heartless enough to push the red button. Where he will aim nuclear weapons is the question. Some commentators are saying it could well be us as we're no longer a member of the EU. I'm not saying that's true but does seem a possibility. What I think is definitely the case is that this is the most under threat from nuclear war Britain has been in my lifetime.
TBF most of europe hated us even before Brexit. It wouldn't massively surprise me if we were in line 1st.

Not sure its the closest we have been in my lifetime as it got shakey in the late 70's early 80s but definately since before many of us were born in 62 during the Cuban missile crisis and then that was aimed far more at the US than the UK.
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« Reply #63 on: Sunday, February 27, 2022, 15:47:44 »

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Putin seems mad and heartless enough to push the red button. Where he will aim nuclear weapons is the question. Some commentators are saying it could well be us as we're no longer a member of the EU. I'm not saying that's true but does seem a possibility. What I think is definitely the case is that this is the most under threat from nuclear war Britain has been in my lifetime.
being part of NATO, he'd be nuts. I mean he may well be ..

NATO contains 3 of the 5 nuclear powers and is:

ALBANIA (2009)
BELGIUM (1949)
BULGARIA (2004)
CANADA (1949)
CROATIA (2009)
CZECH REPUBLIC (1999)
DENMARK (1949)
ESTONIA (2004)
FRANCE (1949)
GERMANY (1955)
GREECE (1952)
HUNGARY (1999)
ICELAND (1949)
ITALY (1949)
LATVIA (2004)
LITHUANIA (2004)
LUXEMBOURG (1949)
MONTENEGRO (2017)
NETHERLANDS (1949)
NORTH MACEDONIA (2020)
NORWAY (1949)
POLAND (1999)
PORTUGAL (1949)
ROMANIA (2004)
SLOVAKIA (2004)
SLOVENIA (2004)
SPAIN (1982)
TURKEY (1952)
THE UNITED KINGDOM (1949)
THE UNITED STATES (1949)
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« Reply #64 on: Sunday, February 27, 2022, 15:48:53 »

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I wouldn't hold much hope putin will expect Ukraine to surrender if not carry on. No mention of a ceasefire either.
agreed, if not surrender and become a sub state of Russia then certainly something unpalatable - e.g. handing over the more Pro Russia bit
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« Reply #65 on: Sunday, February 27, 2022, 15:51:20 »

being part of NATO, he'd be nuts. I mean he may well be ..
There in lies the root of the problem, the man is blatantly deranged and probably some form of sociopath or possibly psychopath as Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, Kim Jong-Un, Napoleon et al that have gone before him.
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« Reply #66 on: Sunday, February 27, 2022, 16:15:02 »

Probably not adding much to the debate overall and at the risk of being jabbed by the pointy end of an umbrella, but Putin needs to die.
Sooner the better.

I wonder what Gorbachev thinks of all of this.
Also wonder how Trump would have dealt with the crisis. It could have been anything between fronting up to inserting nose up Putin's backside.
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« Reply #67 on: Sunday, February 27, 2022, 16:15:22 »

and do what exactly?

Iím guessing go in hard on the Russian invasion. Letís take nukes out of the scenario, no one wins in a nuclear war, even Putin knows that as deranged as he may be. The Russian military impressive in its numbers maybe, but is way behind NATO when it comes to technology. Iíve copied and pasted the following info off another site so not my words or my opinion either:

Combined, NATO will gain total and complete Naval & Air Superiority, in which they will field over 25 Aircraft Carriers, 100 Guided Missile Destroyers, 40 Cruisers, Etcetera. It's also true that NATO will have over 16,000 Aircraft, with the F-35, F-22, F-15, Eurofighter Typhoon, F/18 Super Hornet, F-16.

 The United States of America possess over not only 345 Fifth Generation Fighters, but with NATO there will be over 355. Russia & China only possess around 20Ė30. Now! Let's get into the fun stuff.

The M1A2 Abrams SEPv3, Challenger II, Leopard II, Leclerc, Anti-Tank Strykers, Patriot & Avenger Missiles, Javelins, Stingers, Apache, Viper, Eurocopter Tigers and MLRS's would be tearing Russian & Chinese Aircraft and Armor to shit.

I'll include the Special Operations Forces, for all of my British Readers. The Chinese PLA Spec Ops & Russian Spetsnaz would be getting hammered by the British SAS, French GIGN, American Delta Force, Navy SEALs, MARSOC, Night Stalkers, Rangers & Green Berets.

I don't mean to take away from our European Allies, but, I'm going to have to for a moment.

The United States Armed Forces possess the best technological edge on the battlefield due to extreme funding, achieving superiority in nearly all aspects, such as the ability to highlight adversaries through dust, fog, sun, moonlight, shoot around corners and over the foxholes without peeking any piece of their body in view, creating body armor that can shatter a 7.62x45 Round right against it, or how about creating a laser that slices an RPG in half before it hits the Humvee? This is all combined with the NATO Countries, not to mention their individual technology and research.

Now, European Nations are much smaller and less advanced than the United States, but it's not to say that they can't fuck shit up as well.

They have to train long and hard to make sure that their troops are combat ready to face any threats to their continent, specifically because they're smaller. Yeah, sure, they depend a lot on the United States, but it's not like they're weak for doing that.

Russia,

You better start saving up for the day you have to rebuild your country after fucking with NATO.


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« Reply #68 on: Sunday, February 27, 2022, 16:30:09 »

NATO going in makes things far far worse IMO. Likely to start WW3

edit : soapy tit wank, Americans. They couldn't even beat the Taliban despite their superior weaponry
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« Reply #69 on: Sunday, February 27, 2022, 16:38:49 »

NATO going in makes things far far worse IMO. Likely to start WW3

edit : soapy tit wank, Americans. They couldn't even beat the Taliban despite their superior weaponry

Neither could the Russians 😁
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« Reply #70 on: Sunday, February 27, 2022, 16:39:03 »

NATO going in makes things far far worse IMO. Likely to start WW3

edit : soapy tit wank, Americans. They couldn't even beat the Taliban despite their superior weaponry

As I said not my words or opinion. Would it start a war? Probably. Would Putin actually launch a nuke at NATO? Unlikely I think IMO as he would surely realise Moscow would be toast shortly after.
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« Reply #71 on: Sunday, February 27, 2022, 18:29:26 »

Putin needs this over quickly. Things will get ugly in Russia from tomorrow, there's already a run on banks today. Economically they're fucked for decades as a result of this. Even their propaganda machine can't cover up the fallout.

As I read somewhere else earlier, Russian military failures typically lead to Russian political revolutions.

It just depends whether this one ends with Putin in jail or with his head on a stick.
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« Reply #72 on: Sunday, February 27, 2022, 20:16:48 »

I have nothing but sincere respect for the Ukrainian people. To have this thrust onto them and to react like that have, nothing but pure solidarity and respect to their cause. The fight the Ukrainians are putting up and the sanctions imposed seem to be starting to bite with the Central Bank unable to access international assets, disconnected from SWIFTÖ

Not mentioning on the home front facing more than 5,000 Russians arrested for protests against Putin, Russians draining ATMs like bath water down the plug holeÖ

Fundamentally Putinís time to make this stick is running out and is only going to get more desperate in his attacks which I believe will end up in failure. Even if the Ukrainian Government is overthrown, Putin will still have massively lost this war. China is Putinís only option for finance is China and even they donít want to get involved.

The whole moving nukes to Belarus shows how desperate Putin is to get this done but I donít think he would be that unhinged to actually launch it. Imagine for a second that he did, then what? Surely enough is enough where the likes of China will not be able to avoid condoning Russiaís actions.

IMO, I think we should play Russia at their own game and black flag invade Russia, go to Moscow and topple Putin in a rapid raid. Put the old dog down once and for all and then deny all knowledge anyone from the West was involved Smiley
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« Reply #73 on: Sunday, February 27, 2022, 21:17:57 »

FIFA have now made a decision on Russia matches. Neutral venue, no flag, no anthem and they have to change their name. Fucking joke. So as it stands Russia has a bye to the world cup finals as others won't play them.
It looks like the hacking group anonymous have been Ukraine's greatest ally taking down several russian govt depts, Russia today was playing the Ukraine national anthem and they've stopped access to pornhub from russians.
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« Reply #74 on: Sunday, February 27, 2022, 21:32:00 »

It doesn't look like Putin is preparing for peace
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