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« Reply #75 on: Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:24:57 »

TBF Macari was our first ever manager who made a big point about fitness, he MADE every player run.
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« Reply #76 on: Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:26:13 »

That's why I would argue those players would be as fit if not fitter than today's players
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« Reply #77 on: Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:35:56 »

That's why I would argue those players would be as fit if not fitter than today's players
I would suggest that in the Championship winning season under Macari we had the fittest players outside of the top division, possibly the fittest players we have ever had even with the latest fitness technology.

But in the main, most players back then were nowhere near as fit as they are now probably.
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« Reply #78 on: Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:37:48 »

I agree as years ago centre halfs & centre forwards were mainly big lumps
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« Reply #79 on: Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:40:02 »

I would suggest that in the Championship winning season under Macari we had the fittest players outside of the top division, possibly the fittest players we have ever had even with the latest fitness technology.

But in the main, most players back then were nowhere near as fit as they are now probably.

Different types of fitness though - Macari built stamina.  Today they have more powerful speed - the game is a lot quicker in short spurts constantly.
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« Reply #80 on: Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:41:23 »

That was something Dennis Wise focusesd on during his short time here.
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« Reply #81 on: Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:45:20 »

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« Reply #82 on: Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:46:04 »

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« Reply #83 on: Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:49:14 »

Different types of fitness though - Macari built stamina.  Today they have more powerful speed - the game is a lot quicker in short spurts constantly.
Probably so but the amount of games we won by being basically fitter with far more stamina than the opposition is what won us the league.

In comparison to the other clubs none of them could match our fitness levels late in games, we scored a lot of goals form the 70th minute onwards when the opposition were struggling.

Also only having 1 sub named and used probably highlighted our fitness too as teams couldnt bring on subs for 3 or more struggling players later in games as they can now.
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« Reply #84 on: Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:53:58 »

Kammy used to run a lot!

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« Reply #85 on: Friday, November 19, 2021, 13:57:39 »

We weren’t high scorers that season but I don’t remember many moaning about racking up the 1-0s
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« Reply #86 on: Friday, November 19, 2021, 14:20:49 »

That's why I would argue those players would be as fit if not fitter than today's players

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« Reply #87 on: Friday, November 19, 2021, 14:22:28 »

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« Reply #88 on: Friday, November 19, 2021, 14:25:44 »

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« Reply #89 on: Friday, November 19, 2021, 15:45:11 »

The stats are skewed by the facts?

Depends what the facts are though. Classic example of a stat not really telling us much, relative to the point made (implication that we don’t shoot when maybe we should).

All we get from that stat is that on average, our shots are taken further away than other teams. What we’d really want to see is how many shots we take relative to everyone else and the distribution of those shots by distance. My hunch would be that although our average distance is higher, the volume of shots is about the same/lower than most teams, meaning that a higher proportion of shots are taken from distance than closer to goal /in the “danger zone” where statistically you’re more likely to score.

Obviously it’s not hampered us too much so far with the likes of Gladwin,Williams and Reed capable from distance.

That stat in isolation doesn’t prove that we are any more or less shoot on sight than any other team though.

Sorry to get boring on everyone for a moment.
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