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« Reply #90 on: Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 09:57:31 »

Thatís game management. You do what you need to do to win the game and donít try and risk doing too much more because in such a short tournament the margins are fine and if the risk backfires the effects are magnified

Taking that example from yesterday. Youíre 1-0 up, winning the group. Why cross the ball into the box (a pretty low percentage play) and risk giving it away and opening yourself up to the counter??

Itís really difficult to understand how this is hasnít been understood by so many. Name one team which has swashbuckled their way to winning a tournament??

Spain 2010 - bored their way 1-0 to win it
Spain 2012 - see 2010 (until playing a knackered Italy in the final)
Germany 2014 - semi final aside won every knockout game by a one goal margin, including squeaking past Algeria in round two
Portugal 2016 - only won two games all tournament!
France 2018 - best attacking lineup on the planet. Scored three goals in the group stage. Turned it on when they had to against Argentina but otherwise cautious and collected throughout



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« Reply #91 on: Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 10:03:54 »

We are yet to see what happens when we concede a goal. We may be set up defensively but our midfield is a little bit airy.
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« Reply #92 on: Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 10:12:24 »

We created plenty in the first half yesterday and in the first half of the Croatia game (Scotland being the anomaly which you can reasonably explain away given the nature of the Derby etc)

We had another gear to go to if needed, we just didnít need it
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« Reply #93 on: Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 10:13:54 »

You also have to remember we've only played poor teams
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« Reply #94 on: Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 10:13:54 »

Everyone has also forgotten that our defence isnít very good, and so you have to play a more composed/cautious style to compensate for that. No point trying to score three if youíve conceded four
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« Reply #95 on: Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 10:16:16 »

No point messi around at the back either when you have the chance to move forwards
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« Reply #96 on: Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 10:16:40 »

No point messi around at the back either when you have the chance to move forwards and clear the ball.
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« Reply #97 on: Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 10:22:16 »

We are yet to see what happens when we concede a goal.

Exactly - we haven't conceded a goal. That's a good thing!

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« Reply #98 on: Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 11:41:38 »

Thatís game management. You do what you need to do to win the game and donít try and risk doing too much more because in such a short tournament the margins are fine and if the risk backfires the effects are magnified

Taking that example from yesterday. Youíre 1-0 up, winning the group. Why cross the ball into the box (a pretty low percentage play) and risk giving it away and opening yourself up to the counter??

Itís really difficult to understand how this is hasnít been understood by so many. Name one team which has swashbuckled their way to winning a tournament??

Spain 2010 - bored their way 1-0 to win it
Spain 2012 - see 2010 (until playing a knackered Italy in the final)
Germany 2014 - semi final aside won every knockout game by a one goal margin, including squeaking past Algeria in round two
Portugal 2016 - only won two games all tournament!
France 2018 - best attacking lineup on the planet. Scored three goals in the group stage. Turned it on when they had to against Argentina but otherwise cautious and collected throughout



Good post, sir!
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« Reply #99 on: Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 11:46:17 »

I get the 'negative' tactics.

Croatia was a 'negative' performance, but a good performance. Czech was a 'negative' performance, but a good performance.

The Scotland performance was negative and shite. Even if we scraped a goal it would still have been a shite performance.

But that doesn't matter anymore anyway. What matters is how we do against whoever we're up again next.
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« Reply #100 on: Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 11:49:06 »


Itís really difficult to understand how this is hasnít been understood by so many. Name one team which has swashbuckled their way to winning a tournament??


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« Reply #101 on: Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 11:49:33 »

What matters is how we do against whoever we're up again next.
The bottom line.
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« Reply #102 on: Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 12:43:04 »

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« Reply #103 on: Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 12:44:22 »

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« Reply #104 on: Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 13:02:38 »

You also have to remember we've only played poor teams

We've only played one poor team.  Croatia were World Cup finalist 3 years ago, and I wouldn't call Czech poor.  Not in the same bracket as France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal maybe, but not poor.
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