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« Reply #150 on: Monday, September 9, 2019, 14:57:04 »

you asked a question and there's the answer

It's not "the" answer, it's "an" answer.  And a really dumb one.

Smith has scored 671 runs from 5 innings at an average of 134.  The next highest Aussie has 291 runs at 58.  The next highest average after that is 26 and that was Siddle with 53 runs.

He has been the highest Aussie scorer in every innings he has batted.  Only one Aussie has once beaten his lowest score.  His lowest score is still the 9th highest by either team in the entire series.

Australia have won 2 and drawn 1 when he has played.  When he didn't play they lost, albeit in extraordinary circumstances.

Both captains and every commentator have singled him out as the key factor in this series.

He is the only batsman in Ashes history to score 8 consecutive fifties.  

Nobody apart from you would even dream of comparing Bell in 2013 to Smith in 2019.
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« Reply #151 on: Monday, September 9, 2019, 15:09:05 »

I'd wager we still lose the series without Smith playing for the Aussies.  It would be tight, but I still think our batting line-up is not made for Test cricket.  They might not be much better on that front but their bowling is more consistent.
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« Reply #152 on: Monday, September 9, 2019, 15:25:13 »

I'd be tempted to counter that we missed Anderson but then we are probably now on the cusp of missing him full time.  So fair point. 
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« Reply #153 on: Monday, September 9, 2019, 15:30:36 »

The question implied was "when was the last time a player had such a pivotal on a 5 match Ashes series?

The point at issue is nothing to do with Smith's contribution, but England won 3 Ashes Tests because Ian Bell scored 3 hundreds, one in each, + a further key 74 in the second Test.... 2 of those tons were second inninings always a bit harder to find on a wearing pitch.  In the 3rd Test at OT, Australia post a formidable total and we're in a bit of trouble at 110-4, but Bell supports KP in a partnership with 60 to settle it down, and an eventual draw.

IB lovely to watch but could be frustrating but that series wsa his time.... we wouldn't have won if his numbers had been like the others.

To make a direct comparison Smith has won the Convicts 2 out 4.... Bell 3 out of 5

You may wish to disregard IB's 2013, but his haul in that series was the best by an England batsmen in an Ashes home 5 match series before or since.
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« Reply #154 on: Monday, September 9, 2019, 17:33:31 »

Root  someone drag the captaincy away from him, it's ruining him
...and replace him with...?!

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Stokes - great performance in the previous game, has it in him, but his Test average is still not stellar - he has games like the last one, probably over use him to be honest
Early career figures distort his overall averages but for the last couple of years he is >30 with the bat and <30 with the ball: The yardstick for “All Rounder”.
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« Reply #155 on: Monday, September 9, 2019, 18:22:44 »

...and replace him with...?!
Early career figures distort his overall averages but for the last couple of years he is >30 with the bat and <30 with the ball: The yardstick for “All Rounder”.

Yep proper all rounders after a significant number of games need a batting average higher than bowling average. Stokes gets in, whereas Moeen although good doesn't quite, nor does Sam Curran.
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« Reply #156 on: Monday, September 9, 2019, 18:37:45 »

...and replace him with...?!
Early career figures distort his overall averages but for the last couple of years he is >30 with the bat and <30 with the ball: The yardstick for “All Rounder”.

On the captaincy, I have no idea, but currently it seems to be impeding the only Test Batsman we have.

On Stokes - he is perfect as an All Rounder, at the moment we are relying on him as our go to when batting too often, and he's probably not the greatest bowler in the world, but we have use him because we seem incapable of getting a spinner to take the full burden they should do, but maybe Leach is growing into that.  Ideally he's someone you have at 6 or 7 in the batting line-up, because you have specialists above him.  The performance at Headingly was because he switched into his one day mode, something that does set him apart as a talent.  He needs at least 5 people before him to cement a position.  Only Root and Burns look capable of filling 2 of the 6 needed (inc wicket keeper).

The bowling is good.  There are going to be tough games, but they can be easier to handle when we bat for more than two and a half sessions.
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« Reply #157 on: Monday, September 9, 2019, 18:44:37 »

On the captaincy, I have no idea, but currently it seems to be impeding the only Test Batsman we have.

Rory Burns skippered Surrey to the Champioship last summer, whilst not a great bat, he's done at least OK this series, and possibly could captain and still be OK if not a little better.  Root could then get back to an average of 50.
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« Reply #158 on: Monday, September 9, 2019, 18:55:04 »

A possibility.  He's a scratchy batsman, so I doubt the captaincy is going to do him as much harm as it has Root.  And given our other recent efforts at opening batsmen, he seems safe in his position for a while.
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« Reply #159 on: Monday, September 9, 2019, 20:05:32 »

Do the Brearley thing. Bring in failed Test batsman Eoin Morgan (with his bad back) to bat lower middle order and captain the side.
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« Reply #160 on: Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 08:41:20 »

Yep proper all rounders after a significant number of games need a batting average higher than bowling average. Stokes gets in, whereas Moeen although good doesn't quite, nor does Sam Curran.
Sam Curran does get in on your criterion in both Test and First Class.  For the record (batting first), it's about 31:30 and 30:29 respectively.
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« Reply #161 on: Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 09:39:05 »

Sam Curran does get in on your criterion in both Test and First Class.  For the record (batting first), it's about 31:30 and 30:29 respectively.

According to Playfair, which is up til Feb 27th, only doing Tests here, Sam has a batting average of 32.42 and bowling of 34.20

Don't think he's played this summer to alter that.

In other news I see Sir Geoffrey has become Sir Geoffrey.... May does have a sense of humour.
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« Reply #162 on: Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 11:21:14 »

I wiki'd it.  Wiki is more up to date but no bible.  His less flattering one day record may be incorporated in your stats?

Boycott's strike rate away from cricket was the more notable.
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« Reply #163 on: Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 11:38:57 »

I wiki'd it.  Wiki is more up to date but no bible.  His less flattering one day record may be incorporated in your stats?

Boycott's strike rate away from cricket was the more notable.


Wisden is the Bible, but Playfair is the pocket sized Bible.   Still one of life's little treasures, the football version lamentably has gone in "modern football" but te ccicket version hangs on.... long may it last.
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« Reply #164 on: Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 12:41:54 »

I think these are up to date, and would mean he just 'edges' in  Smiley

https://www.ecb.co.uk/england/men/players/2939/sam-curran

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/662973.html
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