Let's Get Political!

[Pax Romana]

I'm not sure that this is as much of an issue for Boris as has been made out by the twitter poster.  It seems to be more a case of what he wants to believe should happen rather than what will actually happen.

Not pretending to be a legal expert but my understanding is that the proroguing is legal, albeit far longer than normal, and that the supreme court will uphold that view.   Particularly as they are usually loathe to interfere in the running of the country.

Yes, we all 'know' that this is being done for entirely the wrong reasons and for reasons that are appalling and in complete contradiction to the intent behind proroguing.  But that makes Johnson a disgrace, not the action illegal.

[pauld]

I'm not sure that this is as much of an issue for Boris as has been made out by the twitter poster.  It seems to be more a case of what he wants to believe should happen rather than what will actually happen.

Not pretending to be a legal expert but my understanding is that the proroguing is legal, albeit far longer than normal, and that the supreme court will uphold that view.   Particularly as they are usually loathe to interfere in the running of the country.

Yes, we all 'know' that this is being done for entirely the wrong reasons and for reasons that are appalling and in complete contradiction to the intent behind proroguing.  But that makes Johnson a disgrace, not the action illegal.

I think that's exactly what he said. But I thought the fact that he drew attention to the court's finding that Johnson lied to the Queen was noteworthy. I'm hoping it's Tower-able

[Pax Romana]

I'm hoping it's Tower-able

It isn't.

The Chief Gaoler of the Tower has already been consulted on this very matter and has confirmed that although they are happy to take traitors, mass murderers and megalomaniacs they have to draw the line somewhere.

[pauld]

It isn't.

The Chief Gaoler of the Tower has already been consulted on this very matter and has confirmed that although they are happy to take traitors, mass murderers and megalomaniacs they have to draw the line somewhere.

Well Johnson fits two of those categories, not sure about mass murder though, but give him time

[bathford]

Surely, The Queen would have sought legal advise before agreeing to anything. She can't be that daft?

[pauld]

Surely, The Queen would have sought legal advise before agreeing to anything. She can't be that daft?

That's not really the way it works. The Queen is pretty much obliged to accept the advice of her ministers, she doesn't have a decision to make, the decision is made by the PM, it's just a formality that the Queen enacts it. In this instance, her ministers are her legal/constitutional advisers

[Flashheart]

Not only that, but she would have had no way of knowing at the time that Boris was lying.

I mean, OK, it's Boris so she probably knew really, but she would have had no evidence... asides from it being Boris that is.

[bathford]

But surely, if she had any doubts she could have refused. OK, it's an unusual thing to do. But what isn't at the moment

[pauld]

But surely, if she had any doubts she could have refused.

No she couldn't. That's the whole point of a constitutional monarchy.

[pauld]

Yellowhammer's been published, with some redactions:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

TLDR: the govt think there will be an affect on food supply with shortages of some fresh foods
There will be disruption to the fuel supply, esp in SE and London
There will be significant disruption to some medical supplies, esp those the govt is unable to stockpile.
There will be public disorder

This is the govt's view of the impact of a No Deal Brexit, remember. It's not pretty and our govt is voluntarily and deliberately choosing to do this to us.

[jayohaitchenn]

AND those are the parts they are prepared to tell us about.

[pauld]

Fortunately, it looks like Johnson, Rees-Mogg and Farage will be OK:

"Low income groups will be disproportionately affected by any price rises in food and fuel"

Bearing in mind an earlier para expects the cost of gas and electricity to rise "significantly". At the start of winter.

[pauld]

AND those are the parts they are prepared to tell us about.

Paragraph 15, which comes immediately after the para about major disruption to the fuel supply in SE and London, has been redacted entirely. Worrying. My guess is that's the bit about the dead rising from their graves

[Flashheart]

Project fear 

[Batch]

fuel supply issues. great. It was like Mad Max when the tanker blockades happened