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« Reply #15 on: Monday, June 23, 2014, 21:10:47 »

Ah the days of the Weymouth Wizard, which used to be put on by BR in the early 80's....direct from Swindon to Weymouth, during the school holiday. Always used to be chocker with kids with buckets and spades. Thatcher axed it  Angry

Had many trips on the Weymouth Wizard and thoroughly enjoyed them. My mum thought that the introduction of Thamesdown Transport's cheaper services to Bournemouth and Weymouth killed it off.
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« Reply #16 on: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 12:27:16 »

Ah the days of the Weymouth Wizard, which used to be put on by BR in the early 80's....direct from Swindon to Weymouth, during the school holiday. Always used to be chocker with kids with buckets and spades. Thatcher axed it  Angry

Now don't get me wrong...I'm not her biggest fan - although I do think her legacy will not be quite as black/white (delete as appropriate) as a lot would like it to be.

But...did Maggie really axe the Swindon to Weymouth holiday special?  Or was that just something that happened during the 1980s that you didn't like?

Thatcher crushed mining communities because she saw no future in the industry?  Yes, I buy that.  Thatcher let 'free enterprise' run unchecked in a way that left a lot of traditional industries on their knees?  Yes, agree with that as well.  But Thatcher stepped in to cancel a train service from Wiltshire to Dorset?  I think that's really pushing it.  She's no more responsible for that than David Cameron was for my bin collection being missed a while back.
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« Reply #17 on: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 14:27:01 »

Now don't get me wrong...I'm not her biggest fan - although I do think her legacy will not be quite as black/white (delete as appropriate) as a lot would like it to be.

But...did Maggie really axe the Swindon to Weymouth holiday special?  Or was that just something that happened during the 1980s that you didn't like?

Thatcher crushed mining communities because she saw no future in the industry?  Yes, I buy that.  Thatcher let 'free enterprise' run unchecked in a way that left a lot of traditional industries on their knees?  Yes, agree with that as well.  But Thatcher stepped in to cancel a train service from Wiltshire to Dorset?  I think that's really pushing it.  She's no more responsible for that than David Cameron was for my bin collection being missed a while back.

My bin collection has been missed on alternative Wednesdays, since February, because of a decision made by a Tory administration, so yes I do blame Cameron. Thatcher loathed BR wanted it privatised, and so cut funding and sold off its assets etc.....hence STFC lost its training ground, and all those smiling, sweet faced little tackers, were denied a communal cultural experience. A lost generation....
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« Reply #18 on: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 14:37:25 »

Thatcher ruined the railways FACT.

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To the cells of Warrington
From the services at Leicester
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« Reply #19 on: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 14:49:55 »

Thatcher ruined the railways FACT.

The rise of the personal car and the road transport lobby (which was the underhand background to Beeching's reports) ruined the railways, following on from the nationalisation in 1947.

If the GWR, LMS, LNER and SR had been left alone to react appropriately to market forces, or even go out of business if they failed to deliver we would now have an appropriate railway system.

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« Reply #20 on: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 14:56:55 »

The rise of the personal car and the road transport lobby (which was the underhand background to Beeching's reports) ruined the railways, following on from the nationalisation in 1947.

If the GWR, LMS, LNER and SR had been left alone to react appropriately to market forces, or even go out of business if they failed to deliver we would now have an appropriate railway system.


This is true, the coffin had already been assembled but Thatcher nailgunned in the final spike.
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From the station at Colchester
To the cells of Warrington
From the services at Leicester
To the slums of Northampton

We travel over England
And one day Europe too

Cos we all follow the Swindon
We're the famous Town End crew.
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« Reply #21 on: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 20:11:06 »

Thatcher loathed BR wanted it privatised, and so cut funding and sold off its assets etc.....

That's a load of complete bollocks Reg. You are wearing rose tinted Thatcher bashing specs. I have been doing a fair amount of digging on the story of Maggie's relationship with the railways and she left them alone to get on with it and there were no cuts of any kind or selling off when she was in power. This objective forum post sums it up:

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Mrs Thatcher chose her battle grounds with care. With the exception of the Poll Tax (her nemesis, some might say) she only took on fights that she could win with a positive outcome. The railways offered no such opportunities; A showdown against the rail unions would have been difficult to contrive, and achieve nothing. Mrs T. also sensibly shelved Serpell, realizing that it would only alienate potential voters. She was, at best, lukewarm on rail privatisation, perhaps instinctively aware of the possible pitfalls. Her lack of interest in railways probably helped them to find their own way under her premiership. For once, and not for long, railwaymen were allowed to run the railways. This example of 'hands off' government control is a far cry from today's micro-management by Whitehall.

Margaret Thatcher's relationship with the railways wasn't complicated, it was mild disinterest. Nothing happened during the Thatcher years to make BR appear anything but a declining industry. There was no capital, political or otherwise, to be made for the Iron Lady, so she left it to others to manage.

Ardiles has it right, she went after the declining industries like mining. She had nothing to do with the axing of the Swindon to Weymouth train.

In fact there was a lot of investment under her stint:

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The Thatcher years do seem to have contained a surprisingly large rolling electrification programme, that for various reasons, fizzled out from the mid 90s onwards with the chaos of the privatized railway, the cost overruns of the WCML upgrade and Labour inactivity before Adonis.
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Completion of Bedpan
St Albans Abbey
Cambridge (followed by King's Lynn)
Wessex electrics
Hastings
East Grinstead
Ayrshire Coast Line

Not bad for an 'anti rail' PM and government


If you want a scapegoat then you should review John Major's government who botched the privatisation of BR.

This is true, the coffin had already been assembled but Thatcher nailgunned in the final spike.

Again, incorrect John. What do you base that on? Also, it seems to me that today's railways are not that bad. Ok, so they are effectively still run by the government through franchises and the TOCs do not own the track which is ridiculous, but I will take the train at every opportunity I can. And do.
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« Reply #22 on: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 20:22:02 »

Also, it seems to me that today's railways are not that bad.

They are fucking useless if you want to come home after 10:30/11pm.
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« Reply #23 on: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 20:27:55 »

They are fucking useless if you want to come home after 10:30/11pm.

The last weekday train from Paddington to Swindon leaves at 23:30 and gets here at 00:47. I guess it depends on where you want to travel. Agreed, the Sunday timetables are pretty crap.

What I do know is that I regularly get a return from Swindon to Gatwick, first class, for £36. I couldn't drive and pay for the petrol and parking for that.

They are also pretty punctual. In a year of traveling to Norway I have only missed one flight due to a broken down train and even then got a full refund and free replacement tickets from FGW.
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« Reply #24 on: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 20:33:30 »

That's a load of complete bollocks Reg. You are wearing rose tinted Thatcher bashing specs. I have been doing a fair amount of digging on the story of Maggie's relationship with the railways and she left them alone to get on with it and there were no cuts of any kind or selling off when she was in power. This objective forum post sums it up:

Ardiles has it right, she went after the declining industries like mining. She had nothing to do with the axing of the Swindon to Weymouth train.

In fact there was a lot of investment under her stint:
 

If you want a scapegoat then you should review John Major's government who botched the privatisation of BR.

Again, incorrect John. What do you base that on? Also, it seems to me that today's railways are not that bad. Ok, so they are effectively still run by the government through franchises and the TOCs do not own the track which is ridiculous, but I will take the train at every opportunity I can. And do.

There was me thinking that Swindon Works was closed in 1985, and all the associated land flogged off on the cheap to a company which claimed it would use it for industry, as was so say required, before it got houses and flats built on it. Same sort of scam is happening with a lot of Swindon's leisure facilities atm
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« Reply #25 on: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 20:35:00 »

Well, try getting home from Bath or Bristol after 10:30. Try getting home from a gig in London on a weekend. That's the main two times I'd rather not drive but...

Agree £36 first class to Gatwick is phenomenal value. How did you get that price OAP super saver with railcard?!
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« Reply #26 on: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 20:39:52 »

There was me thinking that Swindon Works was closed in 1985, and all the associated land flogged off on the cheap to a company which claimed it would use it for industry, as was so say required, before it got houses and flats built on it. Same sort of scam is happening with a lot of Swindon's leisure facilities atm

I don't think you read my post Reg. It wasn't the government that closed the railway works or were involved in the later usage. BR were managing it themselves at the time.

You should take a closer look at local government involvement if you want to sniff out the corruption and back handers (no change there):

http://www.swindon.gov.uk/ep/Environment%20Document%20Library/Information%20-%20Conservation%20Area%20Appraisal%20-%20Swindon%20Railway%20Works.pdf
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« Reply #27 on: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 20:46:15 »

Well, try getting home from Bath or Bristol after 10:30. Try getting home from a gig in London on a weekend. That's the main two times I'd rather not drive but...

The TOCs do have a strategy of meeting demand but they are not going to lay on services for a handful of people. Contact FGW and ask them why they don't run late night trains. You might be one of a growing number of customers they are missing out on and they might do something about it. http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/About-Us/Connect-with-us

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Agree £36 first class to Gatwick is phenomenal value. How did you get that price OAP super saver with railcard?!

Cheeky git. No, just an advance ticket and I travel off peak on lightly loaded services.
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« Reply #28 on: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 20:57:38 »

I don't think you read my post Reg. It wasn't the government that closed the railway works or were involved in the later usage. BR were managing it themselves at the time.

You should take a closer look at local government involvement if you want to sniff out the corruption and back handers (no change there):

http://www.swindon.gov.uk/ep/Environment%20Document%20Library/Information%20-%20Conservation%20Area%20Appraisal%20-%20Swindon%20Railway%20Works.pdf

The government of the day sets the tone, it's what they do....all sorts of shit for better or worse flow from their decisions.

 The Thatcherite governments of the 80's, sought to deconstruct the public ownership of assets and move them into private hands....a process still continuing.  There were bound to consequences....one of which was the loss of the Weymouth Wizard.
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« Reply #29 on: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 21:04:29 »

The last weekday train from Paddington to Swindon leaves at 23:30 and gets here at 00:47. I guess it depends on where you want to travel. Agreed, the Sunday timetables are pretty crap.

What I do know is that I regularly get a return from Swindon to Gatwick, first class, for £36. I couldn't drive and pay for the petrol and parking for that.

They are also pretty punctual. In a year of traveling to Norway I have only missed one flight due to a broken down train and even then got a full refund and free replacement tickets from FGW.
The trains in Norway are brilliant. I love trains.
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