Engerland v Grrmanee

[Honkytonk]

So, we've let them get one over us yet again! It's simply not good enough. Our overpaid, underperformers are not as good as they think they are.

Having a half-decent manager/FA might fucking help too.

And there are some sparks there- Lallana and Townsend for example, as Reeves has said. But where have they come from? Not from the posterboy teams of the 'big three', but from relative obscurity.

It would be nice if the FA and England management realised there was such a thing as teams outside the Prem with good players, and that building a team who will work together and have a Plan A and a Plan B and a Plan C for whatever team they come across is more important than sticking some overpaid tossers who will sell some more shirts in just because they 'deserve it'.

[Reg Smeeton]

 Think most people now realise that our national team is a bit limited, so qualification is decent, and depending on the draw we might get out of the group...don't think anyone really thinks we'll be capable of much more.  The main thing should be to give it a bit of a go...play with some pride.

[Sir Pissalot]

It helped that we had the easiest qualifying group, too!

[Ardiles]

Danny Baker is on form this evening.  A few examples of his output:

Danny Baker ‏@prodnose 21m
England. There is nothing to be "learned" from losing a match other than you tried to win but didn't know how. Everything else is bullshit.
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Danny Baker ‏@prodnose 14m
Roy Hodgson: "We were no fucking good. That's all there is to it. I'm fucked if I know why but there it is. Fucking awful. Now what?"
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[Nomoreheroes]

Danny Baker is on form this evening.  A few examples of his output:

Danny Baker ‏@prodnose 21m
England. There is nothing to be "learned" from losing a match other than you tried to win but didn't know how. Everything else is bullshit.
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Danny Baker ‏@prodnose 14m
Roy Hodgson: "We were no fucking good. That's all there is to it. I'm fucked if I know why but there it is. Fucking awful. Now what?"
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Hate to admit it, but he's right.

[kerry red]

Didn't have a shot on target all game. Why on earth this dross still attracts 80,000 is beyond me

[derbystfc]

What staggers me is the time it has taken for a lot of people to realise that we are not any good.

We are just not comftable on the ball, we dont have the confidence to actually pass the ball forward on the floor, We have no composure, kept making the wrong decisions time and time again. But this has been happening for years now. If we get the the 1/4 finals in the WC then it be a miracle.

[kerry red]

It's about time we stopped pretending we can play sophisticated football and revert back to what we do well.

2 wide men supplying a 'lump' in the middle...what's the point of having Townsend et al getting crosses in when all we have in the middle is Sturridge and Rooney.

We ain't never going to play quick-footed football in and around the box and slip people in so why pretend we can

[derbystfc]

It's about time we stopped pretending we can play sophisticated football and revert back to what we do well.

2 wide men supplying a 'lump' in the middle...what's the point of having Townsend et al getting crosses in when all we have in the middle is Sturridge and Rooney.

We ain't never going to play quick-footed football in and around the box and slip people in so why pretend we can

Not at the moment we cant, but give it 10 years I think we can, Even the lower leagues are passing it about more rather then just lumping it forward. I would hazard a guess, and say out U21 could prob play better football then the senior side to be honest

[Reg Smeeton]

Not at the moment we cant, but give it 10 years I think we can, Even the lower leagues are passing it about more rather then just lumping it forward. I would hazard a guess, and say out U21 could prob play better football then the senior side to be honest

Audrey has a point...our U 21's were terrible in the summer tournament, so not much coming from there.

Woy, would probably like to use Andy Carroll....not sure what his injury status is.

[Sir Pissalot]

Audrey has a point...our U 21's were terrible in the summer tournament, so not much coming from there.

Woy, would probably like to use Andy Carroll....not sure what his injury status is.

'Brain dead', I think Reg!

[4D]

Didn't bother to watch it. Glad I didn't bother to watch it 

[Bob's Orange]

The Under 21s won 9-0 last night at least.

[walcot red]

I watched game of thrones series 1 last night instead of the england match, had a feeling we'd get beaten.

[LucienSanchez]

See, I thought a few players did well in the last two games... it's just a shame they get played alongside perennial failures and stalwarts past their best. Lampard on Friday managed to reproduce his Chelsea form (dire), and Milner was the usual combination of effort and limited talent. Cleverly (and to a lesser extent Wilshere) were again disappointing last night, Smalling isn't very good, and Hart found himself playing (quite well if you ignore him clattering Smalling) despite being woefully out of form - Forster should have played and gained more experience.

Amongst all that negativity (and more if I could be bothered... nnnggghhhh Jordan Henderson...), Lallana looked handy both games (despite BBC rating him 5/10 last night!), Townsend has continued to look exciting, and Gerrard is playing like a captain (hard for me to admit, I hate him...). And we are trying to play better possession football at least, and some younger inexperienced players are getting some game time (although not enough in some cases).