James Collins

[kerry red]

This is what Graham Turner has written in today's programme notes-

The resignation of Paolo Di Canio and his staff from Swindon at a time when they have gone top of the table has brought plenty of media attention to the situation. While not disputing their right as a team to be league leaders - they certainly have a good squad of players - the way it has been achieved for me is totally wrong. They have signed players who they clearly could not afford resulting in them going close to administration, but only the prospect of a last minute takeover saved them from a third insolvency event. How they run their club is up to them and clearly Paolo Di Canio did an excellent job there, however their lack of good business practice impacts on others.
Our own involvement and why the situation bugs me is that they owe us money for the transfer of James Collins. They are over a month later with their payment and we have no indication of when it might be paid. The Football League cannot or will not come to our aid in our efforts to receive payment. We even made an effort in the transfer window to buy James back and, although the amount owed will not put too great a strain on our cash flow, perhaps others who are owed money are not in such a fortunate position. It is not a level playing field when one club can top the league table with players they can't afford while others strive to live within their means but are then perhaps accused of lacking ambition.


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Boo fucking hoo.

It's no different to Man City, Chelsea etc. If spending money was a guarantee of success why are QPR so fucking useless?

Why not bang on about Bornmuff who have pissed much more cash up against the wall than we ever did.

If the old cunt ever got any money to spend, it'd all go on Oil of Ulay

[No Longer Posh Red]

He is still bitter about us beating them last season, senile old cunt

[Dostoyevsky]

From their forum


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That Swindon board is a lot of hot air and not a lot of brain cells.

It's not defamation if it is true.

Morons.

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The operative word being "if", you moron. That's yet to be decided. If your manager is going to sketchily, half arsedly accuse us of finacial malpractise he better get his facts right.  Printed in black and white in your programme notes.

Graham better be having a few stiff drinks tonight because this is not going to be ignored.

[OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR]

He is still bitter about us beating them last season, senile old cunt

Well they don't have any local rivals do they? Telford and Wrexham are in the Conference so they've had to reinvent us as their figure of hate. Every club needs one. We should probably be flattered.

[manc_red]

If an installment kicked in after Crawley then we can't be a month in arrears, Crawley was only 3 weeks ago.

This just doesn't ring true. As has been mentioned, if the takeover was held up over a few quid owed for Giles Coke's loan then would the FL really have ratified the takeover if we were in arrears for Collins???

Smells like bullshit to me. More likely to be Turner sucking up to their fans to deflect from his own failings by grasping the same ill-informed and largely false 'insolvency' narrative as the Football League Paper and Talkshite.

[Dostoyevsky]

and Hereford and Chester. Perhaps we ought to be afraid. They have the voodoo sign

[Fred Elliot]

Graham better be having a few stiff drinks tonight because this is not going to be ignored.

Oh I bet he is sat there just shitting himself

[JanAageisGod]

This would be the same Graham Turner who basically got Hereford up into League One by using a load of loan players, including Gary Hooper, who they no doubt couldn't afford to sign permanently.

[Notts red]

Yes, from Shrewsbury's own OS
http://www.shrewsburytown.com/news/article/20sept12-james-collins-tribunal-379793.aspx

I make it Collins 30th game for us was at home to Shrews on the 19th Jan?
So if that's correct? we would of owed them £20,000 from then.

[jonny72]

This troubles me. My understanding was that the Collins fee decided by the tribunal had to be paid UPFRONT and that this was the reason we went into embargo. I'm certain the club were on record at the time stating that this was the case.

Think we were expecting the payment to be made over two seasons and the tribunal said one season, so all the money went on to this seasons wage bill which is what pushed us over the wage cap.

His 15th game was Scunthorpe on the 20th Oct, 30th was Shrewsbury on 19th Jan. Which doesn't clear anything up. The first payment would now be 4 months late and surely if anything was still owed wouldn't Shrewsbury have with held the ticket money for the game on the 19th (don't know how many they brought but surely it would have covered a good chunk of the £20k). Unless the initial fee was staggered over the season.

Finding it hard to believe unless it was just an oversight. Black gave the impression everything was paid up to the end of January and surely the FL would have blocked the sale if money was outstanding?

Bit surprised they printed it after what happened with the football league paper. Whilst it's not as bad there are still a few false claims in there, so I guess they'll be getting a phone call next week.

[Exiled Bob]

Whilst it may possibly be true that we owe them a tny amount of money for Collins the statement by Turner that we bought players we couldn't afford is bollocks. The fact is that we could afford them at the time that we bought them because our owner was a nice chap who was kindly providing the money necessary to pay for them. As has been pointed out many times to morons like this we had no debts (or only very minor debts at worst) when the story broke that we were going to be sold, except to the club's owners who were willing to write off those debts to sell the club.

Our situation is no different to probably 90% of the clubs in the Football League. Very very few clubs make a profit so, technically, the ones that don't are equally as "guilty" of buying players they can't afford. That almost certainly includes Shrewsbury.....if not this season then definitely in previous seasons and definitely in seasons to come.

The bloke's a twat of the highest order and should know better that to come out with crap like that.

[Ardiles]

Whilst it may possibly be true that we owe them a tny amount of money for Collins the statement by Turner that we bought players we couldn't afford is bollocks. The fact is that we could afford them at the time that we bought them because our owner was a nice chap who was kindly providing the money necessary to pay for them. As has been pointed out many times to morons like this we had no debts (or only very minor debts at worst) when the story broke that we were going to be sold, except to the club's owners who were willing to write off those debts to sell the club.

Our situation is no different to probably 90% of the clubs in the Football League. Very very few clubs make a profit so, technically, the ones that don't are equally as "guilty" of buying players they can't afford. That almost certainly includes Shrewsbury.....if not this season then definitely in previous seasons and definitely in seasons to come.

The bloke's a twat of the highest order and should know better that to come out with crap like that.

With two notable exceptions:

1. We beat Shrewsbury to the League 2 title last season.
2. We signed one of their top players in the summer.

It's sour grapes; nothing more, nothing less.  I do wish they would stop.

[Peter Venkman]

Turner is a twat and TBH from reading that forum almost to a man every poster is an utter cunt, they are a laughable little club.

[leefer]

Two points to this for me.....point one.

Turner is bang out of order stirring stuff like this up in program notes.....it lacks class and to be honest does his cause no good.

The second point is this...if Pompey owed us money we would probably be going ape at them.

So in short.....yes he has a point in what he says in my opinion......but making it in program notes is antagonistic and to be frank childish.
Turner seems to have an intense dislike for us.

[Simon Pieman]

It's Shrewsbury. We've played them about half a dozen times in 16 years. Therefore, I couldn't really give a fuck.