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« Reply #15 on: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 09:03:05 »

Wasn't that Mr Whippy's "Plan in my head" ?
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« Reply #16 on: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 14:07:47 »

Wasn't that Mr Whippy's "Plan in my head" ?

I don't think Mr Whippy had anything in his head, let alone a plan.
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« Reply #17 on: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 14:31:07 »

We should build either a 2 tier or large single tier with a hotel that generates ongoing revenue there
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« Reply #18 on: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 14:35:41 »

We should build either a 2 tier or large single tier with a hotel that generates ongoing revenue there

I'm no expert on this, but I'd imagine Swindon's hotel capacity is already more than enough, for its market.
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« Reply #19 on: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 15:01:32 »

We should build either a 2 tier or large single tier with a hotel that generates ongoing revenue there

Again, where is this ongoing revenue coming from? You've got to repay the cost of the development before there is any spare cash to fund one of Paolo's spending sprees. Plus you can't fit a very big hotel in the space and you'll be losing most if not all of the car park - a hotel without parking isn't the most attractive for visitors.

I'm no expert on this, but I'd imagine Swindon's hotel capacity is already more than enough, for its market.

It might have changed in the last few years but there used to be a shortage of business quality hotels.
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« Reply #20 on: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 16:16:43 »

You can develop for about £1000 per seat - sometimes lower than this for a basic ground design, higher for the top end developments.

Someone has linked to a document before, the developers we were lining up to manage the project, around the costs of development and how to fund them.  They did it based on the model they used for Preston, which was partially or totally self funded.  That doesn't mean it's easy, you still need to get the capital upfront, which is where the issue has been for us over the past couple of years I'd imagine.

For £20m you can develop an entirely new stadium if you do it carefully.

People get spooked by the big developments like Wembley, where they go well over the standard costing model.  From memory, Norwich redevloped an entire side of their ground for around £8m which holds around 9k I think.  It's available online.
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« Reply #21 on: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 17:40:53 »

 Found this long forgotten gem on ground redevelopment....

 http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=3235.0

 Tomlinson's failure to facilitate any action, didn't stop him becoming MP mind....which was probably the reason he was on here.
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« Reply #22 on: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 18:41:00 »

Here we go:

http://democracy.york.gov.uk/documents/s19763/Annex%205%20Community%20Stadium.pdf

We'd only need half of the development Preston undertook in reality.
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« Reply #23 on: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 19:19:26 »

Quote from: RobertT link=topic=50431.msg1152056#msg1152056
We'd only need half of the development Preston undertook in reality.

Probably what they concluded in Reading, Hull & Swansea before someone looked beyond the realms of Elm Park, the Vetch etc.
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« Reply #24 on: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 20:05:49 »

Here we go:

http://democracy.york.gov.uk/documents/s19763/Annex%205%20Community%20Stadium.pdf

We'd only need half of the development Preston undertook in reality.

They were also behind the redevelopment of Boundary Park, anyone watching Oldham v Liverpool today would have seen how well that turned out.
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« Reply #25 on: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 20:26:14 »

Sorry to keep harping on, but I don't understand why Black instead of pissing his money away on Rooney & Cox ddn't work out a deal with the council about the ground and invest, because that way he had more chance of getting most or all of his money back, do you think that any investors are going to pay £50k extra because Cox is on the books??  It seems that successful businessmen forget all business principles when they buy a club   
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« Reply #26 on: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 20:46:42 »

They were also behind the redevelopment of Boundary Park, anyone watching Oldham v Liverpool today would have seen how well that turned out.

Didn't see it, but thought that hadn't got off the ground anyway?

The point was more that it doesn't have to cost 20m, and even if it did, you can find ways of generating the cash from the site to offset some of the capital outlay.  On top of that, you increase facilities for match days as well - our corporate hosptiality offerings are very limited.  Using Reading as an example on that front, I'm sure from speaking to them they mentioned that the conferncing side of the business turns a healthy profit.

Interestingly, the latest Oldham proposals were going to be funded by £5.7m from the Council.

Lets not forget that the Shrivenham Road development was done for just short of £2m I think.  Granted building costs would have gone up over the years, but it showed how it could be done within budgets.  I think Notts County was similar, sure they developed 3 sides of their ground in a very short space of time as well, using a similar design to our stand (ours was based on theirs).

As it is, we get a fairly good deal on the rent - often perceived to be bad - which is linked to turnover.  So if we don't generate the cash, we pay the council less.  It's generally been around the £100k a year mark.
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« Reply #27 on: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 22:43:51 »

Didn't see it, but thought that hadn't got off the ground anyway?

They started it, demolished one of the stands and then pulled the plug on it.

If it is so easy to self fund a new stadium, why after a few years of working on it have Black and co got nowhere and are now walking away?
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« Reply #28 on: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 23:35:37 »


Lets not forget that the Shrivenham Road development was done for just short of £2m I think. 

I remember the architects being quoted in the Adver around the time it was being built saying they were no longer used to building stands just for football with no other facilities in them.

The South Stand was terribly short sighted, but when you got no money...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/churchward82c/3871980900/
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« Reply #29 on: Monday, January 28, 2013, 10:14:07 »

That bloke is sat in Mex's seat  Cheesy
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