This is going to take fucking ages to answer so I'm gonna answer it as the 'racist lazy twat' I am...
You didn't really answer the question, but I take it you believe that Islamic centres are such a danger that openly campaining against them outweighs the risks of further marginalising Muslims into fundamentalism?
What you believe I believe, is what I believe.
Do you think that all Islamic education centres are like that based on one film?
No.
What percentage of the 1.5million (2001 census, probably more now) Muslims living in the UK are plotting against the safety of Britain?
Out of the estimated 1,500 mosques, how many do you think are preaching militancy against the UK?
If I could find a Catholic school where a kid had been abused by a priest, would that be enough for you to campaign against the closure of Catholic schools?
If it was on the scale of extriemests coming out of English mosques, yes.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/03/16/catholic-school-rector-accused-of-sex-abuse-at-st-bede-s-manchester-115875-22992251/http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/seven_former_deaf_pupils_win_cash_1_2192105http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article6226891.ecehttp://www.secularism.org.uk/catholic-church-loses-appeal-in.htmlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10407559Do you think that a majority of Catholic priests are paedophiles?
Is that a "they started it argument"? If the Muslims who were screaming at soldiers had been beaten up by some ex-armed forces or something the day before, would that make it ok for you?
Of course it is.. if there wasn't any resistance at the Luton homecoming march there would be no UPL/EDL. If the problem was never there, nor would we. If a few old boys giving them a slap the night before and meaning they didn't inter fear with the march there would be no UPL/EDL.
Why are you personally there? Why is anti-islam campaigning important to you? You say the EDL are only campaigning against militant islam, where does any of this come into that?
What makes you think the Muslim community isolates itself? They obviously express faith together, but that's by definitions, you're not a non-muslim if you're not going to muslim prayer. How much day to day interaction do you have with Muslims? Did you grow up with many at your Catholic school? Have you ever considered that it's you who are isolated?
I think the Muslim community isolates itself in a few ways, take Manchester road for example, on a short road you've got a mosque, about 2 Halal meat shops, and shops like "Bangladeshi Food Mart". I went into a corner shop the other week to get some cigarettes before the Dagenham game and they couldn't serve because they couldn't understand me.. I had to point out what I wanted. On BBC radio Wiltshire not too long ago, there was a piece about white English children getting turnt away from a nursery because it is a "Faith Nursery" <-- If that's not isolating your children from an early age I don't know what is. From going to about 3-4 football games a week in different towns/city's and working I get my fair share of Muslim interaction. There were 4 or 5 in my primary school and probably double that at my secondary school. No.
Do you think the majority of the Muslims living around Manchester road are militant extremists? How did you come to that conclusion from walking to football and buying cigarettes? How are the muslims isolated if you interact with them so much?
Do you have a link to the Faith Nursery story? Do you think the media representation of Muslims in this country is generaly fair, too soft, or too harsh?
How many people were in your schools? Were they practising Muslims? Were you friends with any of them? Do you think they're militant extremists?
Do you really think that the majority of British Muslims are extremist? If so do you think there's something special about Islam which makes you an extremist by definition? Even so, the huge majority of British Muslims aren't fundamentalist. I can pick as many fucking horrible things out the bible as you can out of the Qur'an. Actually they're pretty fucking similar.
I do indeed, certainly a growing number. I don't think that just blowing yourself up makes you an extremist, look at the Charline Downs case. They actually are not pretty fucking similar.
I don't know a lot about Charline Downs case, but do you think that on the bases of that one case you can state as fact that the practice of Islamic belief was a motivator of the crime? Do you think if something like that happens you should punish all members of the community from where the perpetrators came? I'll bring it back to endemic child abuse by members of the catholic church, should we ban all priests?
Would you say that the default position of someone who believes in islam is extremist by definition? What makes Islam more open to extremism than other religions? How does the EDL campaigning prevent this?
If you're talking more from a world wide
If they want to carry on their barbaric Sharia Law in mainly Muslims countrys, I don't agree with it, but its not my place to stop it.
You're very against Sharia law, it's very harsh and rather conservative. Would you say that your position in legal and social issues is the opposite? Are you against the death penalty? For government enforcement of equal pay for women? Pro-gay rights? Do you think that for people who have committed crimes that helping them in prison with education and social rehabilitation is more important than punishing them?
You seem to really think that Islam is a threat, if that was really the case wouldn't it have been a problem when most of them first moved here? There's been a large Islamic community in Britain for decades.
Islam is a threat, I really don't understand why your asking me that, but could understand asking an older EDL member, so i'll try my best to answer for you. I understand that there have been Muslims in England for a long time, but they haven't been going around blowing up the tube stations and burning poppys for decades, I know the IRA did in the past but thats nothing to do with the EDL.. I know they were extriemests..
I'm asking that because I honestly don't think Islam is a threat, not in a way that makes it different from Christianity - actually I think Christianity is more of a threat to our way of life. I think the growing number of groups like the EDL are more of a threat to what I think is English than all the muslims in the UK combined.
I was drawing the catholic comparison because I know you are a catholic. I was wondering if you could put your self in the position of a 17 year old Muslim youth, who's very identity is openly attacked by a load of skin head thugs. Do you think he has less right to practice faith, live in a community of other muslims, raise his children in his faith, than you do yours? Why?
Doesn't the fact that it's only a sudden "threat" now, indicate that it's a more complex political situation, and not to do with the religion itself? By continuously attacking the religion are you further politicising it and making it worse?
If you talk to a Muslim with extreme views, they will tell you that it is a plan for 'Islamifiying the west' it could well be making it worse, but the EDL have already stopped more mosques being built in certain parts of England and are reciving world wide support. If the EDL are stopping a number of mosques being built, surely that must reduce the risk of more extremests coming from the Mosques?
No, because mosques aren't the cause of Islamic extremism. There are extremists who go to mosques certainly. There are paedophiles who become Catholic Priests. Do you think shutting down every catholic church in Britain would reduce the amount of paedophiles?
Linking into above when I asked if maybe it's you who's isolated, if you are wrong (and you are), and 99.9%+ of British Muslims aren't islamic extremists, then you might look back at your actions in a few years time with some big shame. You're basically attacking individuals' rights to practice their faith. Is that something you'd agree with doing?
Not really much point trying to defend myself on this one if you've already made up your mind that I'm wrong. I'm not attacking anybody's right to kneel on a prayer mat towards Mecca.
Yes you are. Think somebody else covered that already
How would you have felt if at 12 years old some skin heads had come along to campaign against you and your family because you went to a catholic school?
I wouldn't be happy, but I don't really know enough about the whole IRA situation.
Have you heard the "When I was young, and had no sense...." song at Swindon games? The one which says "fuck the pope and the IRA"?
No, but i have heard other clubs singing it.
If that wasn't just a football song but being aimed at you personally, and with hatred because of your background (presuming you aren't an IRA member, but then the majority or Muslims aren't terrorists) how would you feel? Probably followed up with songs of fuck off back to Ireland, even if you aren't Irish.
I'm not an IRA member. I wouldn't like hearing that at all, or course I wouldn't. But we don't target moderate Muslims..
How do you tell the difference between a moderate Muslim and an extremist?
Right I think that's long enough. I'm basically just procrastinating more important jobs at this point.
