Accountability for this season

[Don Rogers Shop]

Bart hasn't said he wants them back to be fair Si he is saying we havn't replaced them which is right. My worry at the moment is we are playing formations to fit in certain players and not sticking to a system that worked so well earlier on in the season. At the begining of the season it was clear Douglas and Prutton couldn't play as a two so we changed our whole system to move jpm in with them.This has had a knock on affect with Amanjawaah and so on.

Also as much as i like Phil Smith not knowing who is in goal ecery week hasn't helped because as much as a lack of consistency in results is a problem so is the lack of a consistent starting 11.

[Simon Pieman]

Yeah but that's all he ever posts. A bit like Dave seems to post that we sold Greer every time we lose, it's ridiculous.

[leefer]

Fuck off with 'that is your opinion' yes it fucking is.  Are you saying you're a better fan because you criticise the team more than I do?  Balls!

I'm quite capable of criticising the team thank-you very much but but until I've got a more reasoned point than what the usual guff is on here (see my posts in the match thread) I don't see the need - it's counter productive.

Too much is emotive on here.

That being the point surely.....if you want to watch a team that is happy with there team every week then go and watch Chelsea.......there is plenty of fans who are not happy,or a little miffed....or just cannot understand certain things...most of them are constructive in the critism and to be honest i get fucked off by people keep getting shot down by people on here who think that we should be happy with our lot........as i said i am a big admirer of Danny Wilson but the logic of not replacing your top striker and then to continually chop and change tactics is going to get the fans chatting............when things are not going great.

[Highland Robin]

The problem is that there isnt a bucket load of players like that available that can just go out and get.  Its bloody hard for managers to bring in players they are certain will improve the team.

In order to find a gem of player you will proper have to suffer a few duds.

Quite so....it is not as though we didn't try to get Ward back, and Darby (and i suppose we still might get him).  No-one asked Paynter to give up and go off to Leeds where he has played.....how many games?  Everybody tears into Pericard, then gradually admits that he is not bad...and then when we lose, its all his fault again.  Do we want players of international quality or not?  If so we have to accept that they are going to be absent during the season....Ball is earning his keep, Ferry has come back, and now Ritchie, who has been a target for ages has arrived for however long... I don't understand why people are accusing Wilson of not doing his level best to get the team we need.  That they are not clicking every week is obvious, but we potentially have one hell of a good team.  Peopl have very short memories - when Douglas was suspended last autumn, the team fell apart.  We are definitely stronger than then.

[iffy]

My memory is that the first quarter of last season was really frustrating. We were playing OK, but my strong memory is that we couldn't buy a goal. Paynter got dropped because he was knackered and the season didn't really catch fire til we added a non-league thunderbolt to the mix.

I think this squad is stronger and deeper than last years and we'll be up and around the playoffs when the season ends.

[Bogus Dave]

all this stuff about us starting slow is bollocks too. We didn't start as strongly as we finished,  but we still had an 11 game unbeaten run after the first game. people altering history as it suits them

[DV]

Yeah but that's all he ever posts. A bit like Dave seems to post that we sold Greer every time we lose, it's ridiculous.

...and you seem to only post about me.

[Iffy's Onion Bhaji]

I think it's a mix of a lot of things really. Firstly there's the obvious factors of losing Greer and Paynter. I'm not going to refer to Ward because we knew he wouldn't come back here and he wasn't our player in the first place. We all know Wilson has been an admirer of Ritchie for a long time. I'm sure he'd have bought him in sooner if it were possible.

When you look at last season we started with barely any strikers. Our main problem in the first 12 games was that we didn't score enough goals to win games. That was down to lack of options upfront and Wilson was keen to bide his time to find someone and he did in Austin. Now this season it's been the complete opposite. With the sale of Greer we've been short on CBs and it's left us looking weak in that area. As a result our defence has suffered and we are shipping goals but at the other end we continue to score them. So what if Danny finds the next Gordon Greer within the next few months just like he did when he found Austin? Maybe it can help turn our season.

One thing you have to remember about last season as well is that it took us so long to find the right system and players. Take a look at the starting 11 of the first 10 games and compare it to the starting 11 that played the last 10 games. They are totally different. Already we're seeing that this season as well. Since the opening day Wilson has bought in Sheehan and Ritchie. I'm sure there will be more additions in January or even in the next few months with some loans. I still think it's too early to judge how well we'll do come May as I still think we have a lot to do to get the sqaud Wilson wants.

There has been the formation issue but again it relates to the above. When Wilson manages to find 1 or 2 more players maybe we can go back to 4-4-2 like we did last season? Maybe then we will see an improvement? Or maybe we'll stick with the current formation yet with a few additions which will again improve us.

And the final point is that the league is not as good as last season. I reckon that if we still had the same squad that finished last season this time out we'd be in the top 3 now and serious contenders for automatic. But every team has had the same problem. Huddersfield and Saints have had to change and adapt as well as us and aren't exactly fairing much better. Then there's Charlton. Again a team that lost a few key players like we did and they are having an indifferent season like us as well. I do feel that a few of the teams currently up there will drop away and I think we'll start to see a few of the teams i've mentioned really come to the fore. I'm hoping we're going to be one of them again.

I don't really think we can point the finger at anyone. We all knew of Wilson's policy on players last season about waiting for the right players to come along. We saw the patience last season and it paid off. It could yet do so again but it could also not work in our favour this time around. I don't think you can look at the board either. They've spent a bit of cash this summer bringing in Caddis and Ferry and they were helpless with the Paynter situation. He was always going to go. I'm not entirly sure who's choice it was to sell Greer whether it was the boards or Wilsons we will never know. The players have to take some of the blame for being below par but let's not forget that the likes of JP (as an example) have had to change positions a fair bit and we've been playing different formations a lot and it's hard for any of them to get settled. I think we need to wait until Christmas before we jump the gun and decide if it's mid-table or top 6 contention for us.

[Dr Pierre Chang]

I think it's a mix of a lot of things really. Firstly there's the obvious factors of losing Greer and Paynter. I'm not going to refer to Ward because we knew he wouldn't come back here and he wasn't our player in the first place. We all know Wilson has been an admirer of Ritchie for a long time. I'm sure he'd have bought him in sooner if it were possible.

When you look at last season we started with barely any strikers. Our main problem in the first 12 games was that we didn't score enough goals to win games. That was down to lack of options upfront and Wilson was keen to bide his time to find someone and he did in Austin. Now this season it's been the complete opposite. With the sale of Greer we've been short on CBs and it's left us looking weak in that area. As a result our defence has suffered and we are shipping goals but at the other end we continue to score them. So what if Danny finds the next Gordon Greer within the next few months just like he did when he found Austin? Maybe it can help turn our season.

One thing you have to remember about last season as well is that it took us so long to find the right system and players. Take a look at the starting 11 of the first 10 games and compare it to the starting 11 that played the last 10 games. They are totally different. Already we're seeing that this season as well. Since the opening day Wilson has bought in Sheehan and Ritchie. I'm sure there will be more additions in January or even in the next few months with some loans. I still think it's too early to judge how well we'll do come May as I still think we have a lot to do to get the sqaud Wilson wants.

There has been the formation issue but again it relates to the above. When Wilson manages to find 1 or 2 more players maybe we can go back to 4-4-2 like we did last season? Maybe then we will see an improvement? Or maybe we'll stick with the current formation yet with a few additions which will again improve us.

And the final point is that the league is not as good as last season. I reckon that if we still had the same squad that finished last season this time out we'd be in the top 3 now and serious contenders for automatic. But every team has had the same problem. Huddersfield and Saints have had to change and adapt as well as us and aren't exactly fairing much better. Then there's Charlton. Again a team that lost a few key players like we did and they are having an indifferent season like us as well. I do feel that a few of the teams currently up there will drop away and I think we'll start to see a few of the teams i've mentioned really come to the fore. I'm hoping we're going to be one of them again.

I don't really think we can point the finger at anyone. We all knew of Wilson's policy on players last season about waiting for the right players to come along. We saw the patience last season and it paid off. It could yet do so again but it could also not work in our favour this time around. I don't think you can look at the board either. They've spent a bit of cash this summer bringing in Caddis and Ferry and they were helpless with the Paynter situation. He was always going to go. I'm not entirly sure who's choice it was to sell Greer whether it was the boards or Wilsons we will never know. The players have to take some of the blame for being below par but let's not forget that the likes of JP (as an example) have had to change positions a fair bit and we've been playing different formations a lot and it's hard for any of them to get settled. I think we need to wait until Christmas before we jump the gun and decide if it's mid-table or top 6 contention for us.

Greer wanted an extra year, which the board wouldn't discuss untill October - he has said himself that Wilson wanted him to stay.

How costly that will be won't be known till May.

[Spencer_White]

Spence...Man U have arguably the best manager in the game...been the most succesfull side for years.......but i guarantee that after there match v West Brom the fans would have been venting there frustrations,its not just Swindon fans its global..............fans pay big money to watch there teams home and away these days,if they want to whinge thats there perogative.
If it gets personal i think that is a different matter and i wouldnt hold back in telling an individual to shut up if i hear obscenities ie race etc.
Duke was a player in case..........took awfull personal abuse..sad days.
Get used to it Spence............if your in for the long haul like me it has always and will be always the same.

I dunno, my dad paid just £269 for his season ticket, and so did the vast majority of people around him. I paid £199 for mine in the TE. Is that big money? Cracking value from the board if you ask me.

Weve got a good set of players here and a good manager, the fans should appreciate it. The fans can make a difference, they can make the players really want to play for the club.

I think in 4 weeks time we will be looking good again. Massive game next saturday.

[THE FLASH]

I thought mid season last year with a play of ush this year....might be reversed.

Lets all go to the JPT Fianl and get pissed up!

Please note, there were times last season when i couldnt believe the position we were in!!  enough time yet...

[thedarkprince]

Weren't we conceding very late goals this time last year? See, some things do change. Oh wait...

[Batch]

Weren't we conceding very late goals this time last year? See, some things do change. Oh wait...

We've added conceding early one to our repertoire. Nothing stays the same forever.

[reeves4england]

I read half of this thread and got a bit fed up. Not because people are disgruntled with our inconsistency, I am myself. However, we need some perspective. If Lewis hadn't pulled off a couple of great saves then we could have been the ones who won that game 5-4. That would have put us one point outside the play-off spots and none of these threads would ever have been started.

Complaints about inconsistency are valid, as are those about not having a settled team. But a few small events have cost us points lately, rather than massively inept performances (Daggers aside). The same was true last season when we seemed to concede a late equaliser every week, but we managed to sort it out.

Some perspective please people.

[Benzel]

What? Don't put positive spin on it you happy clapper.