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[McGurk's Missus]

Getting to work alongside Toby Jones. Fantastic to see him doing his craft in the flesh

[horlock07]

I bet West Ham are over the fecking moon about this sort of thing....

https://twitter.com/themattdimitri/status/1692411995365204467

[4D]

Russell who?

[McGurk's Missus]

I bet West Ham are over the fecking moon about this sort of thing....

https://twitter.com/themattdimitri/status/1692411995365204467

What the guy quotes and what Brand states make for pretty much different approaches. The guy quoting doesn't extrapolate his quote to include what Brand sats next.

All Brand is talking about is things we all know anyway...that the 'elites' will always come out smelling of roses from a disaster - whereas the masses tend to be the ones who genuinely suffer.

Quotes - all about application of context. Brand himself even in that snippet says '...but that's just what I think...what do you think?' So he's hardly preaching in the same way someone like Nigel Mirage or Piers Moron {yeah sorry the changing of their surnames is childish} tell people what they definitely should be doing. We all know Brand is also a bit unhinged but even he is aware of that and he would agree. You tell the latter mentioned and several others something like that and watch them lose their shite...and publicly so.

Not sure it really matters that he's a West Ham fan in the grand scheme of things 

[Audrey]

I bet West Ham are over the fecking moon about this sort of thing....

https://twitter.com/themattdimitri/status/1692411995365204467

There are plenty of questions that need asking. Why did the local police roadblock the exit out of town? Why didn’t the fire service even try to douse the fire - no water used? Why didn’t they sound the emergency sirens? How convenient the estates of Obama and Oprah Winfrey weren’t touched by the fire.

The police chief was the same fella who was in charge at the time when the LA mass shooting took place a few years ago.

Now emerging the fire probably started by electric overhead line that they had stopped servicing as they wanted to spend the budget on renewables.

[RobertT]

There are plenty of questions that need asking. Why did the local police roadblock the exit out of town? Why didn’t the fire service even try to douse the fire - no water used? Why didn’t they sound the emergency sirens? How convenient the estates of Obama and Oprah Winfrey weren’t touched by the fire.

The police chief was the same fella who was in charge at the time when the LA mass shooting took place a few years ago.

Now emerging the fire probably started by electric overhead line that they had stopped servicing as they wanted to spend the budget on renewables.

You really have a predilection to some conspiracy stuff, don't you?

Look, I think it is evident that decisions and incompetence will be uncovered that created the scenario that enabled the fire to catch, spread and destroy so much.  To suggest that hundreds or thousands of people would be in some sort of scheme to enable 1,000+ people to be burned to death is a bit much though, no?

It's very likely a series of bad decisions were made, but planning to set off a wildfire during a Hurricane does not seem like something you be able to keep quiet (for starters, it's only going to happen once every 100 years or so, long time to keep the plan under wraps).  If you are that inclined to just kill people en-masse, far easier ways of doing so in a more controlled manner.

[Audrey]

None of that is conspiracy stuff - it’s all out in the public domain if you look. Even the mainstream media are reporting about the fire being started by an overhead power line coming down and setting fire to some very flammable grass. The other stuff about no sirens, no water used and the roadblock is all verifiable. The fire chief has already resigned.

[horlock07]

None of that is conspiracy stuff - it’s all out in the public domain if you look. Even the mainstream media are reporting about the fire being started by an overhead power line coming down and setting fire to some very flammable grass. The other stuff about no sirens, no water used and the roadblock is all verifiable. The fire chief has already resigned.

Possibly so, but like the best conspiracy theories it requires a bloody enormous group of very diverse people (many with nothing to gain) to have been in on it, meticulously co-ordinated its delivery and then kept quiet with no leaks whatsoever.

[Audrey]

It’s just plain incompetence on a grand scale. It’s the level of it which is difficult to believe.

[RobertT]

None of that is conspiracy stuff - it’s all out in the public domain if you look. Even the mainstream media are reporting about the fire being started by an overhead power line coming down and setting fire to some very flammable grass. The other stuff about no sirens, no water used and the roadblock is all verifiable. The fire chief has already resigned.

I know it is, I live in the Country so am seeing plenty of the news - hence why I said a lot of decisions are going to come under scrutiny and people will be held responsible for a tragedy.  Sometimes that will come down to attempts to save money, or spend it elsewhere that have created the conditions for this to happen.

You inferred it was by design.

You also take something that sounds so simple and basic and throw it out there as if everyone should be an expert and understand everything that goes into a decision being made.

No water for example - ever tried to manage a wildfire in a Hurricane?  I haven't, in fact, I doubt very few people alive have.  While chucking some water on may sound obvious, we don't actually know - maybe their own lives would have been lost as well because it was utterly out of control in too short a timescale? (I don't actually know, I just know that people are very quick around the time of a tragedy to throw out lots of simple answers, and they don't always help).

Helping the families of 1000 people who likely have perished, and the people who remain to live on the Island, is probably the primary focus.  A full and thorough investigation into the cause should then follow, with people losing jobs as necessary.  Mother nature is a fucking beast though, we are unlikely to ever quell her, and with a warming climate, it's not going to get easier.

[RobertT]

Here is an example of the complexity that will need to be investidgated, rather than just chucking out faults:

The electricity supply is nearly always above land wires in the USA - a decision taken given the sheer scale of the Country and cost to lay them underground.

The most likely, as things stand, cause will be sparking from the wires caused by the Hurricane.

People have quickly placed blame on those who control the supply for not shutting it off once faults started appearing.

Those responsible for such decisions have pointed to the fact the water pumps would have all been turned off if the power supply was removed, which would have weighed on the decision given the need to have water pumping to put out the fires (and it may have been too late to prevent the spread once a few had ignited it already anyway).

That will take a while to unravel, some people may lose their jobs, the aim will be to better prepare for the next time and try and recompense those impacted this time.

[mystical_goat]

Russell who?

Mr Rapey Wapey

[bigbobjoylove]

Isn't Brand a multi millionaire and therefore a bit of an 'elite' himself?

Sent from my XQ-AD51

[Bogus Dave]

I think obamas estate survived the wildfire by virtue of being on a different island 100 miles away

It’s hard not to bucket your nonsense into conspiracy tripe when you come out with stuff like that, Audrey

Edited to include source.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/08/18/obamas-hawaii-home-100-miles-away-from-maui-fire-fact-check/70614090007/

[horlock07]

Fucking hell, when did Stanley Kubrick start taking mug shots... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66612345

215lbs.... my arse!