Trivial things you don't understand/mildly annoy you

[Tails]

The justice for Becky petition. I'm not trying to take away from the fact that Halliwell should be prosecuted for it, but you can't change the procedures for arrest and interrogation without creating loads of problems in other cases.

Really the blame is on the police, which I believe is the father's view.

I know sod all about criminal law, but from the outside looking in, the Detective acts in a seemingly serene way that not only caused a murderer to admit to killing a missing girl, but also to killing another one and locating both of their bodies.

Our law system is fucked if the policeman is punished, and the MURDERER does not get the second life sentence he should get. I signed the petition.

[ghanimah]

Right, I don't even remotely like Cameron/Johnson/Osborne et al, but does it really matter that they don't know the price of bread and milk? I know I don't, it just goes in the trolley and lost on the receipt. It tells us nothing, and isn't anywhere near newsworthy.

Sadly for a lot of people being lost on the receipt is not an option. But I would agree as a political question it's pretty pointless - the price depends on where you buy, which day, what time of day, what sort of milk, what sort of bread and so on.

[Ardiles]

Right, I don't even remotely like Cameron/Johnson/Osborne et al, but does it really matter that they don't know the price of bread and milk? I know I don't, it just goes in the trolley and lost on the receipt. It tells us nothing, and isn't anywhere near newsworthy.

I think there's a more general point in there that I'd agree with though.  Cameron, Johnson and Osborne: three men who have never experienced (and will never experience) financial hardship.  It really gets my back up when Cameron bangs on about 'hard working families' as if he has the faintest idea what the lives of the working families he is talking about are really like.  He didn't join at the bottom and work his way up.  He had a multitude of family and society connections that saw to it that he started his career many rungs up the ladder.  And if he was ever to fall on hard times, he would have a massive financial cushion that would enable him to continue to provide for himself and his own family.

I really do believe that wealth on the scale of that enjoyed by the set currently running the country - while not a bad thing in itself - does hinder the individual's ability to govern effectively.  And extreme poverty would have the same effect, I would imagine.  I accept that you cannot disqualify the wealthy from office.  That would be unenforceable and bonkers.  But we need to take anything any of that lot say with a large portion of salt.  I really don't think Cameron gets it, at all.  And not because he's an idiot - which, clearly, he isn't.  He is just prevented from getting it by his background.

[horlock07]

Perhaps its just my age but the lads they had on breakfast TV this morning moaning about the suggestion that they should do voluntary work in order to collect their benefits? His argument seemed to be that by doing that he would be working for nothing, unlike collecting his benefit and doing nothing?

They also had a lad in the studio who was moaning that the job centres don't help him get a job as none of the staff are interested. They ended with asking him what he wanted them to do and he suggested he wanted an internship with a marketing company, perhaps he should try and find one himself rathern than expecting someone else to sort it, just a thought.

I know this makes me a grumpy sod but I just cannot get my head round the fact that its apparently a disgusting thing to do to suggest that people claiming the dole do something in return for the benefit. I accept that finding a job takes time but from my experience it isn't a 35 hour a week process.

[Bewster]

Perhaps its just my age but the lads they had on breakfast TV this morning moaning about the suggestion that they should do voluntary work in order to collect their benefits? His argument seemed to be that by doing that he would be working for nothing, unlike collecting his benefit and doing nothing?

They also had a lad in the studio who was moaning that the job centres don't help him get a job as none of the staff are interested. They ended with asking him what he wanted them to do and he suggested he wanted an internship with a marketing company, perhaps he should try and find one himself rathern than expecting someone else to sort it, just a thought.

I know this makes me a grumpy sod but I just cannot get my head round the fact that its apparently a disgusting thing to do to suggest that people claiming the dole do something in return for the benefit. I accept that finding a job takes time but from my experience it isn't a 35 hour a week process.

Amen ! I am glad it is not just me that feels this way

[walcot red]

Perhaps its just my age but the lads they had on breakfast TV this morning moaning about the suggestion that they should do voluntary work in order to collect their benefits? His argument seemed to be that by doing that he would be working for nothing, unlike collecting his benefit and doing nothing?

They also had a lad in the studio who was moaning that the job centres don't help him get a job as none of the staff are interested. They ended with asking him what he wanted them to do and he suggested he wanted an internship with a marketing company, perhaps he should try and find one himself rathern than expecting someone else to sort it, just a thought.

I know this makes me a grumpy sod but I just cannot get my head round the fact that its apparently a disgusting thing to do to suggest that people claiming the dole do something in return for the benefit. I accept that finding a job takes time but from my experience it isn't a 35 hour a week process.

I agree with that to a point, when I've had to use the job centre I've found them to be completely disinterested and unenthusiastic with a poor attitude. I have several times asked them to go on training programs/work experiance placements basically do anything I could to get a job, but they didn't seem to be that bothered. In the end I found a job myself and fingers crossed I'll never have to use the Job Centre again. I took what ever job I could get, then applied for jobs I wanted.

[jayohaitchenn]

I went in a job centre once. I realised in about 20 seconds it was nothing to do with getting a job, then I went and found my own job, the end.

[DRS]

Perhaps its just my age but the lads they had on breakfast TV this morning moaning about the suggestion that they should do voluntary work in order to collect their benefits? His argument seemed to be that by doing that he would be working for nothing, unlike collecting his benefit and doing nothing?

They also had a lad in the studio who was moaning that the job centres don't help him get a job as none of the staff are interested. They ended with asking him what he wanted them to do and he suggested he wanted an internship with a marketing company, perhaps he should try and find one himself rathern than expecting someone else to sort it, just a thought.

I know this makes me a grumpy sod but I just cannot get my head round the fact that its apparently a disgusting thing to do to suggest that people claiming the dole do something in return for the benefit. I accept that finding a job takes time but from my experience it isn't a 35 hour a week process.

On the flip side to that,if they have work that needs doing by these people it means there is work available.The company and the government are taking the piss to a certain extent. If the work is there fucking pay them

[sonicyouth]

Or they'll force people to do jobs for free that people are currently employed to do.

[horlock07]

I agree with that to a point, when I've had to use the job centre I've found them to be completely disinterested and unenthusiastic with a poor attitude. I have several times asked them to go on training programs/work experiance placements basically do anything I could to get a job, but they didn't seem to be that bothered. In the end I found a job myself and fingers crossed I'll never have to use the Job Centre again. I took what ever job I could get, then applied for jobs I wanted.

I was much the same after I got made redundant. Sadly I get the impression that if you are actually actively seeking work they really don't know what to do with you, I remember filling in my diary and them flagging up jobs when I signed on and in the majority of cases I had already found the vacancy and applied myself anyway.

But it must be bloody soul destroying working there...

[horlock07]

On the flip side to that,if they have work that needs doing by these people it means there is work available.The company and the government are taking the piss to a certain extent. If the work is there fucking pay them

They will be paying them, £56.80 a week for doing it!

I am playing devils advocate here a bit but my understanding is that they are talking about voluntary work that will not get done as councils etc dont have the budgets to pay for it and thus if people are on the dole why should they get free money?

[DRS]

If work needs doing then offer them that job at a proper pay.If they turn it down then stop their benefits.

[Reg Smeeton]

They will be paying them, £56.80 a week for doing it!

I am playing devils advocate here a bit but my understanding is that they are talking about voluntary work that will not get done as councils etc dont have the budgets to pay for it and thus if people are on the dole why should they get free money?

It used to be called slavery....now Tory policy.

[Flashheart]

I don't see why businesses should get free labour. Get them working in charity organisations or similar instead.

[horlock07]

I don't see why businesses should get free labour. Get them working in charity organisations or similar instead.

Totally agree there are plenty enough charities pr councils which could use them, just bloody litter picking up here could employ hundreds.