Take,Take Take.

[Talk Talk]

Its a good point..alot of self employed people are working less..and with NI going up for small buisnesses there wont be alot of incentive to earn more.

There is zero incentive to work hard or to earn a lot when you are shafted by the Government's take.

Even more so if you are on benefits. The minimum wage sees to it that you are unemployable.

Fuck it, let the state crash and burn and then we can all decide what is a fair rate for our labour.

[pauld]

Fuck it, let the state crash and burn and then we can all decide what is a fair rate for our labour.

Ha, ha. Except we wouldn't because whatever warlord came out on top of the ensuing anarchy would decide what little food we'd get in return for our forced labour. You might do OK because you'd end up in his personal harem because you're pretty

[Simon Pieman]

I reckon we should go back to bartering society.

On a serious note, VAT will never be charged on wages.

[leefer]

VAT shouldnt be charged full stop Sie.....Value Added Tax,the biggest contrick ever to hit us.

[Talk Talk]

Ha, ha. Except we wouldn't because whatever warlord came out on top of the ensuing anarchy would decide what little food we'd get in return for our forced labour. You might do OK because you'd end up in his personal harem because you're pretty

You find me pretty? Fuck.

No warlord would come out on top because ultimately we all have the same fears and we would cut the fucker's legs off before it got to that stage. Read some Rothbard, Paul.

[Simon Pieman]

VAT shouldnt be charged full stop Sie.....Value Added Tax,the biggest contrick ever to hit us.

Didn't it replace various sales taxes at the time (no doubt at lower rates)? The thing I hate about VAT is that it's a pure consumer tax.

Although it is miles fairer than income tax.

I wonder how possible it is to align the needs/demands of the nation and lower taxes to a perceived acceptable level. VAT was hiked up by Major to cover for the reductions in income tax, that proved to be an ill fated policy for the consumer. Labour's spending culture hasn't helped us at all.

Any Government will tax us as much as they can get away with.

[leefer]

Think VAT came in in the seventies when the last big recesion arrived...it was a short term thing origanaly to raise big money..fast.

[Talk Talk]

Didn't it replace various sales taxes at the time (no doubt at lower rates)? The thing I hate about VAT is that it's a pure consumer tax.

Although it is miles fairer than income tax.

I wonder how possible it is to align the needs/demands of the nation and lower taxes to a perceived acceptable level. VAT was hiked up by Major to cover for the reductions in income tax, that proved to be an ill fated policy for the consumer. Labour's spending culture hasn't helped us at all.

Any Government will tax us as much as they can get away with.

They certainly will.

I would be happy with a local sales tax that provided for local services if it went directly to local government. That seems fair to me (although in principle I think that any tax is wrong - it should be up to the free market to decide what services you need and then pay for).

[Simon Pieman]

Imagine SBC having control over a sales tax. Disaster.

[Talk Talk]

Imagine SBC having control over a sales tax. Disaster.

See - taxes are always divisive. Fuck 'em.

[jonny72]

Didn't it replace various sales taxes at the time (no doubt at lower rates)? The thing I hate about VAT is that it's a pure consumer tax.

Although it is miles fairer than income tax.

How do you work that out? Doesn't VAT hit the poor more rather than the rich, as a greater portion of their income goes on buying things which they have to pay VAT on?

Get rid of VAT. Get rid of NI. Add it all on to income tax. Simpler to administer and based purely on income.

I'd also make all British nationals living abroad pay British taxes as well (less what they already pay abroad). A good example being Lewis Hamilton. If the fucker wants to call himself British he should be paying British taxes. If he lost all his money he'd come back here and live off the state. If he was in an accident over here, he would be covered by the NHS. If he got arrested abroad, the diplomatic service would help him. Same applies to everyone that keeps their British nationality but fucks off abroad to live - if you want to keep your British nationality whilst living abroad, you should be paying for it. Fuckers, the lot of them.

[Simon Pieman]

I didn't work it out, it's just an opinion. People who earn more usually spend more and therefore are taxed more. Where it falls down is where essential items are vatable, which isn't fair on people with low incomes. If vat was only on non-essential items low income individuals would actually be able to afford more, unless of course vat is higher than income tax

[flammableBen]

I disagree with that because I think that the rich should get taxed on the income which they aren't going to spend, as well as on what they spend more on. If that makes sense.

[yeo]

Ive heard several SBC workers saying there are going to be massive strikes next year.Good I hate an empty bin.

[jonny72]

I didn't work it out, it's just an opinion. People who earn more usually spend more and therefore are taxed more. Where it falls down is where essential items are vatable, which isn't fair on people with low incomes. If vat was only on non-essential items low income individuals would actually be able to afford more, unless of course vat is higher than income tax

Pretty certain that if you check the figures you'll find those on low incomes pay a far higher % of their income in taxes than those on higher incomes. Even if those on higher incomes do spend more, its really about the % of their income that goes in taxes - don't forget all the people that have to spend every penny they earn every month just to put food on the table.

The really amazing thing about this is that after 12 years of Labour, the poor are still getting shafted.