Gordon Brown

[Ardiles]

There's a big problem with the whole concept of democracy, in my view.  Politicians are held in such low regard by just about everyone - so who would now want to become one?  In time (and this is probably happening already), a lot of the talent that may have considered public life will simply not bother.  The calibre of elected politicians in 30 years from now is likely to be lower (yes, lower) than it is now.

I actually feel quite sorry for Brown.  Blair was basically hounded out of office because he was found out.  People were sick of the focus on spin & presentation and the lack of substance.  Brown comes in.  For a few months it's like a breath of fresh air.  He's an old fashioned type of politician with very little time for the presentation side of things.  He's more of an intellectual and just wants to get on with the job.  Slick?  Not a chance.

So what is he being attacked for now?  Lack of 'empathy' and presentation skills...the very things we disliked about Blair when he spent to long focussing on them.  I think the public needs to make its mind up.

[Phil_S]

I have never loathed a politician as much as I do Brown. I probably dislike him as much as some dislike Margaret Thatcher.
However, I do think that the Sun was wrong to publish the transcript of the letter. All it does is show that hios handwriting is bad.  I don't blame the Mother, she is lashing out at Brown & Co in the only way she can. (And it was revealed that she WAS not paid for it). She sees him as partially responsible (with some justification) for her son's death.
They should instead have focused on what she was saying, ie. the questions on lack of equipment & support for our troops in Afganistan. Particularly when you consider that last week the goverment gave the banks 3 x the amount of the annual defence budget yet at the same time still haven't sent the extra troops requested or the helicopters etc etc.

[juddie]

ardiles makes a good point. Who would want to get into politics, such is the distrust of every party?

[iffy]

Hypocrisy times a million.

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[Jamiesfuturewife]

OMG!!!! is that real?

[SwindonTartanArmy]

i bet you she did...

i like the way she put the phonecall on loud speaker and then recorded it..

Did she inform the prime minister that she was doing this? if not, she is breaking the law!

[Arriba]

As much as you may hate gordon browns policies he i believe deep down is a decent bloke, I think this will backfire on the sun in a major way and could actually win brown some support for the humility he is trying to genuinely show.

i was going to say more or less this.
it's a 2 horse race between brown and cameron.i will be voting labour in the next general election

[Phil_S]

The following lyrics sum it up for me. Not a lot has really changed in the last 50 years has it

It was just before dawn
One miserable morning in black 'forty four.
When the forward commander
Was told to sit tight
When he asked that his men be withdrawn.
And the Generals gave thanks
As the other ranks held back
The enemy tanks for a while.
And the Anzio bridgehead
Was held for the price
Of a few hundred ordinary lives.

And kind old King George
Sent Mother a note
When he heard that father was gone.
It was, I recall,
In the form of a scroll,
With gold leaf and all.
And I found it one day
In a drawer of old photographs, hidden away.
And my eyes still grow damp to remember
His Majesty signed
With his own rubber stamp.

It was dark all around.
There was frost in the ground
When the tigers broke free.
And no one survived
From the Royal Fusiliers Company C.
They were all left behind,
Most of them dead,
The rest of them dying.
And that's how the High Command
Took my daddy from me.

[Talk Talk]

well if Cameron gets in, god help all of us.

This country's f*cked which ever way you look at it. All politicians are cnuts.

Woot! A thread on politics

I completely agree Juddie. You have to be a cunt to want to be in any position of power over others. Evil, corrupt and disgusting, politics attracts that type of personality.

And we should never have been in Iraq or Afghanistan either. Total madness.

On another note I found it rather ironic that today I observed two minutes silence for the hundreds of thousands of men and women who died to keep Great Britain a sovereign independent nation, when on 1st December we lose our sovereignty because of the Lisbon Treaty and become part of the European super state. The politicians have sold us out. Germany won after all.

They died in fucking vain.

[Talk Talk]

http://albionalliance.org.uk/ for anybody who gives a shit about their country and lifestyle.

Numerous opinion polls tell us that 70% of the voting public want a referendum on the EU.

Over the past 40 years Britain has been led, against the wishes of its people, into a political union by a discredited political elite without so much as a single vote on the issue from the public. The last time the public were consulted, in 1975, it was for a simple trading partnership called the EEC. No-one has agreed to a political union where the law of this land will be made by unelected officials in a far off land.

[Talk Talk]

And I give you Clarkson at his very best as well:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/jeremy_clarkson/article6907747.ece

[Nemo]

Fucking hell, just in case you hadn't realised who was really running the country http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/11/mandelson-tipped-as-information-minister

The last Information Minister I remember was the Iraqi one, who was hilarious. I'd like Mandelson to do something like that "We are not behind in Polls, Gordon is simply waiting for the opportune moment to crush the usurper Cameron!"

[iffy]

Respectfully, this is all a bit numpty-ish. And I'll apologise in advance for any offence caused, because I'm going off on one.

On another note I found it rather ironic that today I observed two minutes silence for the hundreds of thousands of men and women who died to keep Great Britain a sovereign independent nation, when on 1st December we lose our sovereignty because of the Lisbon Treaty and become part of the European super state. The politicians have sold us out. Germany won after all.

They died in fucking vain.

This is insulting to those who died. World War Two was a choice between freedom and fascism. The Germans aren't fascists anymore, so by any reckoning, it looks like we won.

To describe WWII as being primarily about British Sovereignty is a pretty sad and defeatist way of looking at it.

We threw the kitchen sink at the Nazis in WWII. We got to the stage where we knew we had given everything - in people, in wealth, in effort - til there was nothing left. They knew, even when they were still fighting, that when we won Britain would be so knackered that it meant the end of the Empire, the end of our place at the top table in the world. And given that choice, we said "bring it on".

Britain broke itself on the wheel, knowingly and bravely, in order to win the war. Because we had to win and we never give up.

Not for some shitty "little englander" mentality, but because we had to, to save the world. And we know we did and we can suck it up and take everything else on the chin.

That's the thing to remember.

[Talk Talk]

This is insulting to those who died. World War Two was a choice between freedom and fascism. The Germans aren't fascists anymore, so by any reckoning, it looks like we won.

Also with respect, tell me the difference between this country being run by the unelected and unaccountable and (to be honest) oppressive and dictatorial:

- Napoleon Bonaparte
- Kaiser Wilhelm
- Adolf Hitler
- EU Commissioners

None. Whatsoever. The principle is the same. The EU and state socialism is on the same plane as any of the others - if you don't believe that see how your life is being turned into one that communism or Nazism would be proud of: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6865282.ece

[Nemo]

You can't see any difference between Adolf Hitler and the EU commissioners? Oh really.