You might like to post on the Adver forum to confirm that the trust had nothing to do with the scoreboard in case Sonic's post may be deleted (due to the fact he has the townend website in his signature and they really don't appreciate the competition :roll: )
Just have - just to make you happy! Although I still think it looks a bit silly with sonic's comment as well, so I kind of hope they do delete his post!
I've looked into the Supporters' Club and the Trust and I would like to think that I never express an opinion unless I am happy that it is a reasonably informed opinion (aside from the occasional mucking about stuff).
The Supporters' Club have raised over 10 times as much money for the club in the same period of time as the Trust. They do not makes demands of the Board.
Actually the SC have been going twice as long as us, but yes, no arguments whatever they have raised a lot more money than we have and probably always will. They are very good at it and should be praised at every opportunity for doing so - as indeed we did, giving credit for the scoreboard, in our last newsletter. It's on the website under Newsletters - go check if you don't believe me! But that's not (primarily) what we're there for - Supporters' Trusts are a government backed initiative (under a group called Supporters' Direct) to get fans more involved in running their clubs. OK, we have been fundraising as well with the Red Army Fund (in conjunction with the SC, I might add), but it's not our primary aim - arguably we've confused matters with the Red Army Fund, but I'm not going to apologise for having raised over 10 grand to be spent on players!
I'm quite happy to learn why you (as in you the Trust - not you personally) seem to think you have the right to speak for all of us fans.
We don't - we speak for our members. And if you don't like what we're saying we're a democratic organisation - join the Trust, stand for the (Trust) board and knock some common sense into us. Or come to a members' meeting and tell us where we're going wrong.
Also why do you think you have the right to tell somebody else how to run their company?
Well, it's not just a company is it? It's a football club we all, as fans, have a profound stake in (not to mention having put a shedload of money in over the years in season tickets etc). Let's face it, if it was just a business, it'd have gone to the wall years ago. And to be fair, what we've tried to do is not just have a go but offer help as well and where we think something's been done wrong, offer constructive criticism. Like with the alternative ticket prices proposals. You might not personally have been impressed with them - fair enough - but they were as well researched as they could be without access to the actual gate receipts, costed, well-thought out. And come on, you must admit, it's certainly a damn sight better than just going "WAaaahhh! Prices too high!" Please remember as well, the proposal was supposed to be the basis for a discussion with the club when we met for the consultation on ticket prices which Bob Holt publicly promised to do but the board then backed out of that consultation. I'd have welcomed (and still would) someone from the board going through the figures with us and proving that we were just wrong and that the prices they've set are necessary. Fair enough - we offered tonight in fact that if they can do that and prove there is a genuine business plan and analysis behind the ticket prices, and that our figures are bollocks, we'll put out a press release saying so. No probs.
Again I'd like to stress that this isn't personal and I know that some of you really do have the best intentions.
Thank you very much
Well, as for Tomlinson, where do I start? I reckon he's a liability to be honest. He came on here - professing to tell us all what's going on with the redevelopment and basically patronised us and then bored us all into a coma, then ran away to slag us off on the trust site...the only thing I learnt from him was that you can fit 4 bags of rubbish into a wheelie bin!
I'm not here to defend Justin - he's a politico and more than capable of fighting his own corner - but as I remember it, he didn't slag you off on our site that was Gerald Phillips/Gerry/StiltonRed/bobby "defending" him. And erm, well, you don't need me to tell you what Gerald's like. And I'm certainly not defending him!!
Can you really get four bags of rubbish in a wheelie-bin? Did he say if we can all have one? I could really use one to be honest.
