What players would you get rid of in the summer

[Reg Smeeton]

Halfway through a season he's brought these players in. Two of them had never played football in England before, so they'll need time to gel. With his own team, we'll see vast improvements.

I'm prepared to wait until the end of the season, but if we do go down then Wilson will be responsible, he will have failed and shouldn't be kept at the club.

[adje]

Suprised so many want to keep McNamee. How many games has he played? Hes been fit almost all season, ANOTHER PASSENGER!
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Want to ikeep him because anything good usually involves him-our one true creative player

[Spencer_White]

I dont think any team can afford him. Hes just too much of a luxury.

And he cant play a full 90 minutes.

[dell boy]

The ones I would keep and probably prepared to stay, so Cox does not come into it.

Morrison
Kennedy
McNamee
Timlin

Greer and Kanu if we can.

The rest of the players can piss off along with the backroom staff. I would keep faith with Wilson the results have not improved but the way we have played especially defensively has since his arrival.

[Nomoreheroes]

I'm prepared to wait until the end of the season, but if we do go down then Wilson will be responsible, he will have failed and shouldn't be kept at the club.

Think it was always likely that we would go down. A lot of poor results under Malpas were predicted at the beginning of the year, as we were relegation favourites in many impartial peoples eyes.
Bringing in Wilson was a longer term move. He's not had a history in turning things around quickly, but has done 'ok' in second seasons.

The new owners have sent a consistent message saying that they wanted to make the club more business like. They have spent and organised off the field and have appeared to take a stand w/r/t player costs. Am sure that we haven't been able to attract decent players because of financial reasons rather than anything else. Now, at this time, even if they wanted to, I suspect that they would be loathed to change their approach as I'm sure that their businesses will not have the disposable income that they once had.

So what about the future? Would it be better to scrape through this year and look for a mid table finish next year, or would the club make more money if it were relegated and the team were challenging for promotion/playoffs next year with a smaller player budget? (L2 isnot overly strong and there are a lot of players who could do a good job at that level so its a buyers market)

Heart says hang on to L1 status, but head says relegation may be a good thing.

NMH

[Red End Street]

I'm prepared to wait until the end of the season, but if we do go down then Wilson will be responsible, he will have failed and shouldn't be kept at the club.


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Great! let's keep consistency and sack Wilson shall we, agree get rid of the rest of the backroom staff, imo they are pretty much as responsible as the players, Wilson i said when he took over would do well to keep us up this season, especially coming in just a few days before the transfer window opened.

As for players to keep Cox, Amankwah, Vincent, J.Smith, Morrison sign Greer and keep the younger players who are fringe at the moment to see how they develop.

[Reg Smeeton]

Think it was always likely that we would go down. A lot of poor results under Malpas were predicted at the beginning of the year, as we were relegation favourites in many impartial peoples eyes.
Bringing in Wilson was a longer term move. He's not had a history in turning things around quickly, but has done 'ok' in second seasons.

The new owners have sent a consistent message saying that they wanted to make the club more business like. They have spent and organised off the field and have appeared to take a stand w/r/t player costs. Am sure that we haven't been able to attract decent players because of financial reasons rather than anything else. Now, at this time, even if they wanted to, I suspect that they would be loathed to change their approach as I'm sure that their businesses will not have the disposable income that they once had.

So what about the future? Would it be better to scrape through this year and look for a mid table finish next year, or would the club make more money if it were relegated and the team were challenging for promotion/playoffs next year with a smaller player budget? (L2 isnot overly strong and there are a lot of players who could do a good job at that level so its a buyers market)

Heart says hang on to L1 status, but head says relegation may be a good thing.

NMH

I think the assumption that if we go down next season will be easy is entirely fallacious. In 06/07 we just squeaked up, it should be remembered by Div 4 standard's money was thrown at the thing.

Fitton said at the outset money wont be thrown at this project, so for me it will mean a much reduced playing budget, and the use of more kids.

As previously stated this situation feels more like our first relegation to Div 4 in the 80's rather than two years ago.

Then we'd regularly field 10 players who'd come from the youth team and Jimmy Quinn who'd come from non league...there were only 6 players used who'd come from other clubs.

Of course the advantage of this is now is no dealing with agents.

[Nomoreheroes]

I think the assumption that if we go down next season will be easy is entirely fallacious. In 06/07 we just squeaked up, it should be remembered by Div 4 standard's money was thrown at the thing.

Fitton said at the outset money wont be thrown at this project, so for me it will mean a much reduced playing budget, and the use of more kids.

As previously stated this situation feels more like our first relegation to Div 4 in the 80's rather than two years ago.

Then we'd regularly field 10 players who'd come from the youth team and Jimmy Quinn who'd come from non league...there were only 6 players used who'd come from other clubs.

Of course the advantage of this is now is no dealing with agents.

Not saying that next year in L2 would be easy. What I was trying to say was that it may be easier to attract players that fit our budget (and non agent policy) in L2, since there appears to be a surplus of players desperate for a contract.

We should be able to more easily off load many of the players we currently have and create a team capable of bringing more success on the pitch at L2 level than we would be able to if we did the same in a struggling L1 team. A couple of older heads blended with young kids may be the interim solution to the long term answer.

Obviously, success on the pitch could increase attendances, which in turn may facilitate investment. From all the reports I've read and the highlights I've seen, we are a long way from any sort of success on the pitch and have the prospect of those around us looking to improve in the off season.

Harping back to the 80s, I would love to see us rebuild and grow in a similar manner. Maybe the promotion under Sturrock did us no favours? Another year of consolidation maybe would have served us better in the long term? If only we could get back to the mid 80s Div 4 team that were scared to lose and kept going until the last minute and beyond in search of a goal. It wasn't always pretty, but you were shocked if we didn't get something out of a game!   

Anyway, opinions are like arseholes - everyone has one.

NMH

[alanmayes]

Only the other day i was thinking how this was all reminding me of 1982.I don't think there's any
likelihood of Fitton opening up the purse strings in the summer.Does anyone really think the money
we get for Coxy will be reinvested into the team? I certainly don't.

There was a real buzz about the club with the appointment of Wise and Poyet back in may 2006.
If we are relegated,i can't see this returning and i think we'll be cutting our cloth to fit in with L2.

Wilson said only the other day with regards to contracts, that we'd have to see where we are before
offering any,as some players maybe suitable for L2.I'd expect the majority to go,but i'd guess some
might be made offers? We would need to be challenging for promotion otherwise the fans would become
very restless,very quickly.

Footnote for Mr Fitton.Although we've got some promising youngsters,from the checks i've made
nobody at the current top of L2 has gone down the path of a team based upon them.Rochdale have
a few but not homegrown,mainly signed from Stockport,Bury and Tranmere.You have to have a core
base of experienced players with a few younger players to blend in,at the bottom level.

[Spencer_White]

To be honest I can see aggro at the Peterborough game, just like there was at Newport in 1982.

The board have consistantly failed to get to grips with the pace at which the football world revolves. Theyve never realised that one bad managerial appointment can and probably will get you relegated.

I can see the point Reg is making. But I think sacking Wilson would be a mistake. I cant see anyone better wanting the job! Weve failed to be objective with the squad. Weve ended up with players in the first team like J Smith and Pook who got us relegated last time.

Basically whatever happens this summer the board have to show that they can be ruthless and will not accept failure. I like Wilson and hope we dont sack him, but if they want a clean sweep then I wouldnt be against that either.

[ronnie21]

And never forget we wil have a capped budget to work with in L2, a percentage of turnover I believe.  That is a FL rule.