Israel, getting away with it again...

[janaage]

In by view the Israllis are only doing what we are doing in Afganistan. Going after the terrorists & THOSE THAT HARBOUR THE TERRORISTS.

Absolute load of bollocks.  So was launching an air attack against a Norweigian UN camp an attack against the terrorists a couple of years back?   I suppose they were hiding the missile launchers too.

Now I'm not saying that the Palestinians are in the right, and the Israelis are in the wrong, historically, but in my mind launching a full scale military campaign against residential areas is wrong, and is definitely not being carried out in my name.  It is over the top and will only lead to one thing, the next generation of suicide bomber ready to die for their land.

Israel need to be educated that this sort of heavy handed action will not lead to peace, it will just lead to more and more blood shed.  It's by no fluke that after the blood shed in the 70's in NI (by British troops and Irish terrorists) there was no peace.  But after years of diplomatically bashing a few heads together the NI troubles are (**touch wood**) behind us.

Since these troubles began  Palestinians dead 500+.  Israeli dead 5.  Injured  Palestinians 2,400+ Israel 500+.  This isn't a just military campaign, imo.

[Phil_S]

I don't for one second believe that Israel deliberatly targetted the UN ?
I agree that it may lead to the next generation of terrorists too, but I fail to see what any other sovereign country would be expected to do.
From the Israelli point of view if the palestinians elected a Terrorist organisation to lead them then they should expect just such a response.
Hamas have been offered peace but persist in terrorism. If they are the good guys as the BBC seem to think, why don't they root out those who fire the rockets & put them on trial. If they did I am sure Israel would not be doing what they are doing now.

[LucienSanchez]

There would be a greater chance of peace if Israel retreated from the land they have illegally occupied.

[janaage]

I don't think anyone is making the Hamas terrorists out to be "the good guys", I think the BBC are just showing the compassion that most feel when they see women and little children killed or injured in the civilian areas blown up by persistant air strikes.  In times like these keeping the moral high ground can do you the world of good, and Israel have really let themselves down by going "route one".

[Samdy Gray]

It's a holy war. Always has been, always will be.

The Muslims think the land is theirs, but the Jews think the land is theirs. Both sides will claim each other to be terrorists and in the eyes of the Western world it is Hamas who look like the terrorists, but in reality both sides are terrorists doing what they believe is right by their religious texts.

[janaage]

The "funny" thing is Hamas terrorists have now got exactly what they want an Israeli invasion, now for more blood shed, proper guerilla (sp) warfare.  The Israeli military leaders have made a massive mistake here.

[herthab]

The "funny" thing is Hamas terrorists have now got exactly what they want an Israeli invasion, now for more blood shed, proper guerilla (sp) warfare.  The Israeli military leaders have made a massive mistake here.

Shame the Israelis didn't come onto an internet football forum. You could all tell them where they're going wrong

[janaage]

Oh sorry for giving an opinion Hertha, silly me, thought I was just adding my voice to the debate.

 

[herthab]

It wasn't aimed at just you Jan.

We can all sit in our comfy, safe homes, pontificating about what's going on over there and voicing opinions like we're fucking experts.

It just annoys me a little.

[ghanimah]

It wasn't aimed at just you Jan.

We can all sit in our comfy, safe homes, pontificating about what's going on over there and voicing opinions like we're fucking experts.

It just annoys me a little.

Agree with that completely, 'nice' air-conditioned offices etc have a lot to answer for.

Israeli's only doing what any responsible Government should do as part of its core responsibilities i.e. defend its citizens.

[janaage]

But that's what discussions are about aren't they?  Whether it be here, or a drunken putting the world to rights up the pub, telling her indoors what you think, or just shouting at the TV.  I don't consider myself an expert on many things but I'd have a chat and a debate about most things, good way of learning about the world I reckon.

[janaage]

Agree with that completely, 'nice' air-conditioned offices etc have a lot to answer for.

Israeli's only doing what any responsible Government should do as part of its core responsibilities i.e. defend its citizens.

So be the end of all forums, keep your opinions to yourselves folks, unless you happen to have a Degree in the subject you wish to discuss.

If you don't want to read people's views on such a subject, you know what to do fella.

Also isn't your post contradicting itself.  You agree with "office opinion" then say Israel are only doing the right thing?  Unless you're posting that from the front line in Gaza?

[ghanimah]

So be the end of all forums, keep your opinions to yourselves folks, unless you happen to have a Degree in the subject you wish to discuss.

If you don't want to read people's views on such a subject, you know what to do fella.

Also isn't your post contradicting itself.  You agree with "office opinion" then say Israel are only doing the right thing?  Unless you're posting that from the front line in Gaza?

Sorry Jan, I think you misunderstand me. I wasn't saying I agreed with 'office opinion', I was just using that as an analogy to agree with herthab that pontificating about Israel is a lot easier when you don't have to face over 3000 rockets launched at your family in the last 6 months, despite an agreed ceasefire between Hamas and Israel, which only Israel has honoured.

[axs]

It wasn't aimed at just you Jan.

We can all sit in our comfy, safe homes, pontificating about what's going on over there and voicing opinions like we're fucking experts.

It just annoys me a little.

You've been fairly active in this debate, I therefore don't really understand your point. Do you annoy yourself?

[janaage]

Sorry Jan, I think you misunderstand me. I wasn't saying I agreed with 'office opinion', I was just using that as an analogy to agree with herthab that pontificating about Israel is a lot easier when you don't have to face over 3000 rockets launched at your family in the last 6 months, despite an agreed ceasefire between Hamas and Israel, which only Israel has honoured.

Agree with that, of course it's easier typing a pro either side opinion when at the end of the day we're really not involved at all.  I'm not trying to Israel bash in this thread, at all, I just don't agree with their actions during recent weeks.  Not to say I agree with the terrorists launching missiles near schools and mosques knowing that Israel will attack, in that vicinity.