Judgement Day

[LucienSanchez]

If i was in America right now, in the same circumstances as i am now, i'd be forced to vote for McCain. I think Obama's policies on extending welfare payouts to those that can't/won't work are going to piss a lot of your average Americans off and have a knock on effect that could further hinder their (and so ultimately our) economy.

I think both candidates are poor.

[ghanimah]

Bizarrely the American election leaves Brown in a dilemma. Instinctively he would support an Obama win, but the 'policy of change' message grates against Brown's experience argument.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/rachel_sylvester/article5076339.ece

[Colin Todd]

Bizarrely the American election leaves Brown in a dilemma. Instinctively he would support an Obama win, but the 'policy of change' message grates against Brown's experience argument.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/rachel_sylvester/article5076339.ece

Well it was a weak arguement in the 1st place wasnt it?

"Trust me, I helped fuck things up in the 1st place so I'm clearly the man to get things back on track"         *cheesy Blair smile*

[flammableBen]

If i was in America right now, in the same circumstances as i am now, i'd be forced to vote for McCain. I think Obama's policies on extending welfare payouts to those that can't/won't work are going to piss a lot of your average Americans off and have a knock on effect that could further hinder their (and so ultimately our) economy.

I think both candidates are poor.

But by extending welfare payments you increase the amount of money going through the system which helps strengthen the economy.

[Ironside]

If i was in America right now, in the same circumstances as i am now, i'd be forced to vote for McCain. I think Obama's policies on extending welfare payouts to those that can't/won't work are going to piss a lot of your average Americans off and have a knock on effect that could further hinder their (and so ultimately our) economy.

I think both candidates are poor.

Obama is a Socialist...look what socialism has done to this country.

Tans,

Your post didn't mention the policies he has, only his skin colour so come that bollocks.

[BANGKOK RED]

But by extending welfare payments you increase the amount of money going through the system which helps strengthen the economy.

Do they sell white ace in America though? 

[LucienSanchez]

In one respect, this is true, but there's also a lesser incentive to work for those on marginal incomes in the production/service/building industry

Coupled with Obama's planned tax rises, i think i saw statitics somewhere that historically in America that tax revenue has increased as taxes fell due to the increased desire of the American people to go out and get a job knowing they would keep more of their earnings. Or something like that.

I'm not a great political commentator or analyst

[Bogus Dave]

What has socialism done for this country? It appears no worse than what communism did to the east. Or even what thatcher did for that matter.

[Don Rogers Shop]

Obama is a Socialist...look what socialism has done to this country.

Tans,

Your post didn't mention the policies he has, only his skin colour so come that bollocks.

In Tan's defence he has no real concern on what Obama's policy's are so in all fairness he can judge him on what the fuck he wants

[flammableBen]

In one respect, this is true, but there's also a lesser incentive to work for those on marginal incomes in the production/service/building industry

Which would be more of an issue if there were an excess of job vacancies for people to fill, but the rising unemployment is because these positions are disappearing. And anyway, you'd have to increase welfare payments and benefits a hell of a lot in much of America before you wouldn't be better off getting a job.

[flammableBen]

Coupled with Obama's planned tax rises, i think i saw statitics somewhere that historically in America that tax revenue has increased as taxes fell due to the increased desire of the American people to go out and get a job knowing they would keep more of their earnings. Or something like that.

Are you thinking of that curve theory thingy... Laffer Curve? I don't think it really holds up in reality. I'm not very good on all the proper terms and stuff.

[Colin Todd]

Obama is a Socialist...look what socialism has done to this country.

Tans,

Your post didn't mention the policies he has, only his skin colour so come that bollocks.

I'd argue that he is an "Amercian socalist" and cannot be compared to left wingers in this country at all really. Yes he is to the left of the american spectrum but he'd probably still be to the right of ours .

America is a very right wing country,  can you honestly imagine an american president letting millions stay on the dole / "incapacity" benefit in paid for housing for an idefinate period whilst immigrants do the menial / low paid jobs that need doing?

From an international perspective the world could really do with a more relaxed and worldly wise amercian president.  As someone else said, Mcain is just 5 more years of dubya

[sonic youth]

what has socialism done to this country?

[Colin Todd]

created a benefits dependant underclass who wont work?

I can sense a lumps 4 page rant coming soon,  I look forward to it

[mexico red]

where as capitalism is coming along just fine and fucking dandy.