STFC Transfer Rumours

[horlock07]

He's a football manager not a legal expert. He's been asked to comment in a thorny area, to say the least, and I think the majority of people will understand what he's trying to get across. Those with a season pass to the Outrage Bus were going to get on it whatever he said.

This is the problem he is probably are that literally everything that comes out of the club is jumped upon with barely concealed glee f it can in any way be misinterpreted, plus whilst I didn't see it myself there was apparently some pretty grim stuff on Twitter which he was probably aware would lead to certain people also analysing what he said.

[Dr Pierre Chang]

I thought he put it really well, and if he did it off the top of his head even better, club should possibly get him doing the wider PR..

Spot on, it takes some doing to find fault in that but I suppose thats where some of the fanbase are with all things STFC currently!

[RobertT]

I may walk into a thorny bush with the following, but what the hell.

I'll take the justice system we have and accept it's results - holding a person accountable for something they were not found guilty of is mob law, something I'd like to avoid.  I think the lad should be free to continue his life, BUT......

Footballers earn their corn from being in a very public arena, as such they earn more than their skills are inherently worth to the world, especially those able to climb the ladder.  Therefore, I hold those who choose that profession to a higher standard of behaviour.  I liken this, a little, to Ched Evans, someone I still wish was never given the chance to earn a salary from playing football again.  He was eventually acquitted, but the evidence presented (much of which was not disputed, just the intent was) left a very sour taste.  It may have eventually been found to not be rape, but it was sordid.  If you get found doing such things, I think it's fair for public opinion to be used when weighing up whether or not you get the opportunity to earn money from a public entertainment industry.

I haven't looked at the Kokolo one, a few snippets suggest it wasn't good even if not rape.  As such, I'm not passing judgement on that yet.

On his footballing CV, it looks a bit weak, to say the least.

[JoeMezz]

With everything going on, I see it too big a risk to take him on. Flynn's response was good though.

[Broadbents Tackle]

Why didn't Flynn say anything about Gaza?

[JoeMezz]

Why didn't Flynn say anything about Gaza?

Is he a possible signing? Wasn't the same player since Euro 96 for me.

[Broadbents Tackle]

Is he a possible signing?

Yep. Already got a strip apparently.

[Mooneyraker]

I may walk into a thorny bush with the following, but what the hell.

I'll take the justice system we have and accept it's results - holding a person accountable for something they were not found guilty of is mob law, something I'd like to avoid.  I think the lad should be free to continue his life, BUT......

Footballers earn their corn from being in a very public arena, as such they earn more than their skills are inherently worth to the world, especially those able to climb the ladder.  Therefore, I hold those who choose that profession to a higher standard of behaviour.  I liken this, a little, to Ched Evans, someone I still wish was never given the chance to earn a salary from playing football again.  He was eventually acquitted, but the evidence presented (much of which was not disputed, just the intent was) left a very sour taste.  It may have eventually been found to not be rape, but it was sordid.  If you get found doing such things, I think it's fair for public opinion to be used when weighing up whether or not you get the opportunity to earn money from a public entertainment industry.

I haven't looked at the Kokolo one, a few snippets suggest it wasn't good even if not rape.  As such, I'm not passing judgement on that yet.

On his footballing CV, it looks a bit weak, to say the least.

I respectfully disagree with this. Most footballers come from the lowest socio-economic groupings and what little education they have had has been curtailed by their footballing endeavours. They haven't 'chosen' to go into football. It is likely the only thing that they are capable of making a living at.

This is no comment on this individual or the case, I'm just saying that I disagree that footballers should be held to a higher standard than anyone else in society.

I'd also argue that their skills are worth exactly what anyone is prepared to pay for them, same as anyone else.

[Power to people]

He was found not guilty by a jury - whatever went on it was decided he did not rape her so he is entitled to continue his footballing career.

You would imagine his fitness levels are way down, and has zero match fitness, he is on trial here at the moment, and will probably need to get fit before Flynn thinks about giving him a contract,  and if Flynn decides to give him a contract then he must deem him good enough to warrant a place in the squad, he wont sign him out of pity.

[RobertT]

I respectfully disagree with this. Most footballers come from the lowest socio-economic groupings and what little education they have had has been curtailed by their footballing endeavours. They haven't 'chosen' to go into football. It is likely the only thing that they are capable of making a living at.

This is no comment on this individual or the case, I'm just saying that I disagree that footballers should be held to a higher standard than anyone else in society.

I'd also argue that their skills are worth exactly what anyone is prepared to pay for them, same as anyone else.

They can get up to whatever they like, but expect repercussions if you get involved in sordid shit is all I am saying.  Take the money, pay the price.

[Jimmy Quinn]

So if he was found not guilty was the woman in question lying🤔

[Mooneyraker]

They can get up to whatever they like, but expect repercussions if you get involved in sordid shit is all I am saying.  Take the money, pay the price.

Equality before the law feels like another pillar of our society. No one should be treated differently because of their wages or profession.

[Legends-Lounge]

So if he was found not guilty was the woman in question lying🤔

Open to debate if you have all the facts 100%.

However, there is another element that needs to be considered and that is the CPS. They as I understand it have ‘conviction targets’. So if you drag enough ‘alleged’ ‘sexual offenders’ into court you up the conviction rate and the targets you have been set look achievable. Wether that is solid ground to base judicial democracy on is another topic for conversation.

Trial by traditional media and laterally social media has made getting to the truth so much harder. Just ask the victims of ‘operation Yew Tree’. Every time I see someone famous ‘outed’ by the media or arrested for alleged sexual offences I cannot help but think really? At what time in the future are these men and generally it is men going to be released without charge or acquitted in a court of law. Please do not think I’m defending anyone or everyone of an accusation of a sexual misdemeanour but fuck me I hope that none of us here get a knock on the door for something you’ve long since forgotten about or genuinely cannot remember. Even if you are 100% innocent even dry mud sticks to a wall. Fucking minefield where there are no winners.

[Quagmire]

2 hours is a very short time to clear someone of rape without very good evidence, isn’t it?

[Jimmy Quinn]

Open to debate if you have all the facts 100%.

However, there is another element that needs to be considered and that is the CPS. They as I understand it have ‘conviction targets’. So if you drag enough ‘alleged’ ‘sexual offenders’ into court you up the conviction rate and the targets you have been set look achievable. Wether that is solid ground to base judicial democracy on is another topic for conversation.

Trial by traditional media and laterally social media has made getting to the truth so much harder. Just ask the victims of ‘operation Yew Tree’. Every time I see someone famous ‘outed’ by the media or arrested for alleged sexual offences I cannot help but think really? At what time in the future are these men and generally it is men going to be released without charge or acquitted in a court of law. Please do not think I’m defending anyone or everyone of an accusation of a sexual misdemeanour but fuck me I hope that none of us here get a knock on the door for something you’ve long since forgotten about or genuinely cannot remember. Even if you are 100% innocent even dry mud sticks to a wall. Fucking minefield where there are no winners.

Spot on with your comments. Often cases are very complex and often corrupt especially when wealth brings in Lawyers who know how to get around things.