STFC Transfer Rumours

[DV]

yeah, I think "trying" has been used in the wrong way.

I've agreed with DV twice in two days now - 'stagnating despite trying" more accurate.

I think there's also an expectation issue. "2xCB, 1xDM, 1xLWB, 1xBCF" - that's 5 more and I don't that's way out there for what fans think we need. I'd call this the spine of the team almost. I didn't think we'd leave recruitment of that so late, so I assume we aren't getting it now!

DVs the best poster on this site. So agreeing with him should be seen as a positive.

How did last seasons gamble work out? Not very is obvs the answer, so a more considered and structured approach IMHO opinion is what appears to be happening.

This is the problem though.
Absolutely spot on that a more structured approach is the way forward - probably one of the few things every single Town fan will universally agree on.

That fact it’s happening IYHO is the problem - it’s just opinion based on nothing. We have no tangible evidence that a more structured approach is what we are doing.

As always the proof of the pudding will be in the eating but right now we lack evidence to suggest we are even making a pudding….

[Trashbat?]

2 years ago to the day yesterday, Ben Gladwin became our first signing of the summer, and became only the 9th contracted player at the club.
Now we all know how that went, and we are in a lot better position now then we were back then.

I honestly thought that pre season would prove to fans that there really is no rush in getting players in, as long as they’re the right ones.

The problem is that until those players arrive and results start there is no way of proving it.

[UTR]

2 years ago to the day yesterday, Ben Gladwin became our first signing of the summer, and became only the 9th contracted player at the club.
Now we all know how that went, and we are in a lot better position now then we were back then.

I honestly thought that pre season would prove to fans that there really is no rush in getting players in, as long as they’re the right ones.

I can understand the point but I’d say that season had a 1 in 10 chance of going how well it did after that shambles (understandably) of a summer. Everything just seemed to click and it was very rare.

The odds of being able to do that repeatedly are very slim and ultimately it’s a poor way of planning for a season, just because we fluked it once doesn’t mean we should expect it go well everytime or be happy planning for a season like that.

We also eventually failed to go up that season.

[Bob1978]

Apply that logic and you’d be shitting your pants even if you were a Man City supporter.

The problem is that until those players arrive and results start there is no way of proving it.

[Trashbat?]

Apply that logic and you’d be shitting your pants even if you were a Man City supporter.

Yeah, after winning the premier and champions league, instead of finishing mid table in league 2 I bet I would.

[Batch]

2 years ago to the day yesterday, Ben Gladwin became our first signing of the summer, and became only the 9th contracted player at the club.
Now we all know how that went, and we are in a lot better position now then we were back then.

I honestly thought that pre season would prove to fans that there really is no rush in getting players in, as long as they’re the right ones.

Hunt, Conroy, Baudry, grant, Gladwin,
Payne were the experienced spine of that *opening day* team.

add in iandolo and McKirdy for a bit more experience.

Wallacot we knew. Simpson, kkh a total punt.

piss weak bench, addressed later in season.
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as things stand we have a number of players going into just their second season, and Charlie Austin.

They should be better for it, but there looks like a hell of a job to do to get near that team.
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sounds like I'm being argumentative, and I am but only to try to show why I'm concerned.

could be we sign 5 next week and I'll be happy

[Nemo]

I honestly thought that pre season would prove to fans that there really is no rush in getting players in, as long as they’re the right ones.

It's about expectation management I guess - that season everyone knew what was happening and why we hadn't made signings, and the priority was 100% the takeover.

This season manager & CEO were both in place and publicly saying there would be early signings.

It's not really a surprise that fans would react different in these two situations.

[Quagmire]

It's about expectation management I guess - that season everyone knew what was happening and why we hadn't made signings, and the priority was 100% the takeover.

This season manager & CEO were both in place and publicly saying there would be early signings.

It's not really a surprise that fans would react different in these two situations.

I think the early signings thing is a myth…. I haven’t seen and can’t find anything where Rob Angus or Flynn have said we would may early signings.

[Batch]

surely we don't think getting a squad together to participate in some of pre-season is early?

[Bob's Orange]

I think the early signings thing is a myth…. I haven’t seen and can’t find anything where Rob Angus or Flynn have said we would may early signings.

I've questioned this line for ages and did some digging previously. I suspect this came about from the April AB minutes -

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2022-23/documents/advisory-board-april-2023.pdf

The question was;

The top priority is the shambles that has been created after the appointment of Jody Morris and the performance of the team. The club through Rob Angus continues to ask all supporters to back the club and this has been done by the excellent crowds at home and the terrific away support but will the club continue to achieve this and how many season tickets will be sold. The football has been dire and results have proofed this! Without a clear strategy for making new signings early in the transfer window will supporters trust management to improve our current position?

The answer was;

The club understands the concerns raised by the fans about the recent performance of the team and we also appreciate the continued support of our fans and are committed to improving the team's performance. Early signings are important, and we are already actively working to identify and sign new players to strengthen the team for next year. While we cannot reveal our budget numbers, we assure you that the club is committed to investing in the team and pushing for promotion in 23/24.

So the club have confirmed early signings are 'important'. That said, when this was answered, it was under the stewardship of Morris and Sandro and so changing the football structure over the pre-season has possibly put paid to any early signings that had been mooted? Ifs, buts, maybes.

[Batch]

Question for Quaggy (or whoever).

I've already said I think it need 5 to be competitive in the promotion race. And those players are key positions imo.

But how many do you think we need.

if it's like 1 or 2 'cherry on top' players then I kind of get your argument they can come in later.

[Riddick]

I think the early signings thing is a myth…. I haven’t seen and can’t find anything where Rob Angus or Flynn have said we would may early signings.

From memory i agree, they certainly talked about experience and the type of players, but never said anything about early.

surely we don't think getting a squad together to participate in some of pre-season is early?

As far as i'm concerned if they haven't strengthened before Sat then preseason has been a bit of a disaster honestly.

Post Sat we are in the season, its build up to Colchester.

Sure lots of time before the window closes, but as per a post i made a few weeks ago, we have to overperform this season to meet the clubs ambition, and this slow recruitment, with the inability to integrate players, work on patterns of play etc will only make it harder to get the results we want, certainly earlier in the season. We have a tough opening month, when we may still be building the squad, lets hope we are not to far behind at that point. A poor start itself could harm late recruitment as well.

Without something spectacular happening in the next 2 days i think this is the worst and certainly most dull preseason ever.

[Bogus Dave]

2 years ago to the day yesterday, Ben Gladwin became our first signing of the summer, and became only the 9th contracted player at the club.
Now we all know how that went, and we are in a lot better position now then we were back then.

I honestly thought that pre season would prove to fans that there really is no rush in getting players in, as long as they’re the right ones.

Difference between now and then would be

- we’ve had a more stable summer to prepare
- that squad we did ultimately build wasn’t good enough to get promoted

That 8 from that summer would pretty much all be in our present starting XI too. Our current squad has less talent in it than it did at this point in 2021

[leftside]

I’m not a “happy clapper” and still inwardly have reservations about our ownership because of the past association with Power and the number of his hangers on still appearing to be loitering our club.
Player wise - the seen to be first XL have more than held their own against City and Swansea strong XL’s but the lack of back up depth is a major concern if we pick up additional injuries following Clayton and Devine (again).
I’m confident Flynn will have his choices and rightly doesn’t want to bankrupt a club with limited funds but is waiting for player greed levels to drop or they will be left sitting on the fence at end of transfer window.
I’m friends with a player who will remain nameless who ‘not this season’ dropped two divisions from League 1 to National League for a basic salary before playing bonuses that was 4x his league 1 wage.
He has a three year contract and a written guarantee that coaching courses to obtain UEFA 1&2 are included so not only is he financially stable but should have the opportunity to remain within the game when he retires.
Money does talk even at lower league level……………

Fucking big squads or chunky players.

[Audrey]

I’m off to Colchester no matter what does or does not happen between now and then.