Ectopic Pregnancy & Abortion

[Samdy Gray]

I wouldn't put a pet down, the same way I don't agree with euthanasia.

[herthab]

I wouldn't put a pet down, the same way I don't agree with euthanasia.

Have you ever had a dog Sam?

I've had to put 3 down in the past, as their qu.ality of life had deteriorated  so much that it was crueler to keep them alive (In fact, keeping them alive would have been more for me than them).

Very few dogs die in their sleep, most are put down. It's easy to say you shouldn't but when you're in that situation your opinion changes.

As for euthanasia, if the person had an incurable disease, that would cause much suffering and loss of faculties and they wanted to avoid it (And also avoid becoming a burden) why not? It took my Nan 5 years to die after being diagnosed with Altzhiemers, the last two of those were horrible for both her and my Grandad.

Just my opinions...............................

[Nomoreheroes]

You have to listen to what 'experts' tell you and make an informed decision based upon your particular situation, rather than some generalized moral principles spouted by a stranger on an internet footie forum.

Once you have been in the position though, I think its a bit of a no-brainer.

NMH

[Bushey Boy]

If your wife can abort and safegard her future there is nothing stopping you moving on and creating a life that will no longer risk your wifes life with another baby.  I hope you and your wife get through this

[ronnie21]

If your wife can abort and safegard her future there is nothing stopping you moving on and creating a life that will no longer risk your wifes life with another baby.  I hope you and your wife get through this

Totally agree with Ashley.  Good luck BR.

[Samdy Gray]

Have you ever had a dog Sam?

Yes and it died of natural causes.

As for euthanasia, if the person had an incurable disease, that would cause much suffering and loss of faculties and they wanted to avoid it (And also avoid becoming a burden) why not?

Because it's my beliefs, I just don't agree with it.

Humans and animals are designed to die naturally, I think it's wrong for life to be ended unnaturally.

[Bushey Boy]

So sam say your mrs was having a slow death due to illness would you wnat to see her die natuarally (over months in pain) or would you help her.  (sorry to use her as an example)

[flammableBen]

Have you ever had a dog Sam?

Yes and it died of natural causes.

As for euthanasia, if the person had an incurable disease, that would cause much suffering and loss of faculties and they wanted to avoid it (And also avoid becoming a burden) why not?

Because it's my beliefs, I just don't agree with it.

Humans and animals are designed to die naturally, I think it's wrong for life to be ended unnaturally.

I have to disagree with you there just because I don't believe humans and animals were designed.

[McLovin]

I think that the right to abortion is correct (and in some cases under utilised), putting pets down is fine, and i also believe there is a place for euthanasia (but it'd need some kind of guidlines).

[magic8ball]

Hello BR.

My wife is due to give birth to our son in May, so these issues have been discussed briefly within the 8Ball household.

Basically, I'm surprised the Doc said that there was a 10% chance of everything being Ok....As far as I understood it, there is no chance of a healthy baby being born from and ectopic pregnancy, and even if there was, they would never risk the mothers life by letting the baby grow in the fallopian tubes.

Therefore, you didn't even have a decision to make. I'm sure if this was occuring in the UK, they would have told you it was ectopic, passed on their sympathies, and sorted it out straight away so they didn't endanger your wife's life any further.

Also, depending on how early they catch the pregnancy, they may, or may not have to remove one of your wife's tubes. If this is the case, this can cause problems conceiving in the future. If this is her second ectopic, and she had a tube removed the first time, and she had the other tube removed this time, then a natural conception would now be impossible.

Sorry for that last bit, just wanted to make sure you understood the whole thing!

[pauld]

BR this isn't an abortion per se as in the standard moral question of "Do you agree with abortion?". Typically that debate is framed in terms of terminating an otherwise viable pregnancy for non-medical reasons. An ectopic pregnancy is not in any meaningful sense of the word - if allowed to go to term there is virtually no chance of a child being born alive and there is a very a serious threat to the health and indeed life of the mother. Under these circumstances, the standard treatment is to terminate what is a non-viable pregnancy before it can cause more serious damage to the woman's health. ie unlike "standard" abortion where there is a serious ethical discussion to be had, this is really just a medical treatment of a potentially life-threatening condition.

You should be aware though that it takes some time to recover from both physically and psychologically - it can be as traumatic as a "real" abortion - and that it can (although doesn't always) result in damage to your partner's reproductive system (ie might harm her chances of having kids in the future). Basically, she's going to need a lot of support from you fella. Best of luck to you both

[Gazza's Fat Mate]

I would take comfort in the fact that at the time this pregnecy was aborted. It would have only been a bundle of cells no bigger than a penny.

It is therefore debatable as to weather or not "life" had begun. This bundle of cells would certainly not have met the scincetific term of life.

I am all for early aboartion it's the late one that cause me problems. at 22 weeks a ababy can surive although it will be fucked it will still surive but you can legaly termatie at 22 weeks??

[magic8ball]

I am all for early aboartion it's the late one that cause me problems. at 32 weeks a ababy can surive although it will be fucked it will still surive but you can legaly termatie at 32 weeks??

A friend of mine gave birth at 29 weeks. Although the baby spent some time in hospital, its not living a happy, normal life. Not exactly fucked.

In England, Scotland and Wales, the legal limit for abortion is 24 weeks, not 32.

A baby has a very slim chance of survival at around 21-22 weeks.

[Miss Angry]

 at 32 weeks a baby can surive although it will be fucked

My son was born at 32 weeks, he's fucked!  

[Gazza's Fat Mate]

i mean't 22 sorry i have fat fingers!