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[millom red]

Read the thread..............gatecrasher :twisted:  

[yeo]

Millom there is no arguement against it as far as i can see.I dont understand why it cant be made into a pill that you have to take at the pharmacist ?that way it wouldnt be sold on the black market and its a no lose situation.

[Reg Smeeton]

Millom...if you're being serious MS, is a complex and puzzling condition....there are a number of ideas concerning aetiology and treatments, but nothing certain.   For example beta interferon up until recently was considerd a panacea... expensive and only available in certain postcodes, sufferers would seek legal redress  to try and acquire it as a treatment, but now its benefits are questioned.

 Against this sort of background, the chances of cannnabis getting a pass from NICE are < zero

[SwindonTartanArmy]

     Mike D fuck off....Mike D fuck off

Still no-one has come up with a sensable arguement pro/for legalislation of the the said illegal substances!

I am being semi serious here.

Millom

I thought I did...!

As I said, the main argument against legalising it either totally or on prescription is the "side effects". Every drug has side effects. In fact every bloody paracetamol you take damages the liver slightly! :roll:

Take this list of possible side effects for Ibuprofen!!!

Common adverse effects include: nausea, dyspepsia, gastrointestinal ulceration/bleeding, raised liver enzymes, diarrhea, headache, dizziness, salt and fluid retention, hypertension.[5]

Infrequent adverse effects include: oesophageal ulceration, heart failure, hyperkalaemia, renal impairment, confusion, bronchospasm, rash

[millom red]

     Mike D fuck off....Mike D fuck off

Still no-one has come up with a sensable arguement pro/for legalislation of the the said illegal substances!

I am being semi serious here.

Millom

I thought I did...!

As I said, the main argument against legalising it either totally or on prescription is the "side effects". Every drug has side effects. In fact every bloody paracetamol you take damages the liver slightly! :roll:

Take this list of possible side effects for Ibuprofen!!!

Common adverse effects include: nausea, dyspepsia, gastrointestinal ulceration/bleeding, raised liver enzymes, diarrhea, headache, dizziness, salt and fluid retention, hypertension.[5]

Infrequent adverse effects include: oesophageal ulceration, heart failure, hyperkalaemia, renal impairment, confusion, bronchospasm, rash

Its actually quite scary swindontartanarmy! Whats good for you, whats not!!  Reg i wouldnt fuck about with a subject like this.

It's a freind who i went to school with that is suffering.

[Reg Smeeton]

Its a horrible condition, (from my point of view) this messageboard isn't really a suitable vehicle for discussing your friends case.....beyond stating I'm sure they'll appreciate any help and support you can give them.

[millom red]

Reg

Cheers.

[Simon Pieman]

Last I heard they'd developed the THC into some sort of liquid you spray onto your tongue. If it was put on prescription at least there would be some sort of dosage regulation as well as the other pros mentioned. However, long term you build up a tollerance to the drug and I can see people getting addicted.

Swings and roundabouts.

[millom red]

Does addiction matter sie pie when you know you are on the road to oblivion anyway?

[Simon Pieman]

It depends Millom. If the drug is produced cheaply enough then that is fine in a sense that increased usage will not lead to a postcode lottery of drugs etc. I think everyone should have access or none should have access. Slightly contreversial, but I do have experience of a family member who suffered from the post code lottery and spent thousands on a drug which definitely gave him a better quality of life.

Then there's the fact that cannabis is a popular recreational drug. This is where the main problem lies imo. If medical use of cannabis leads to addiction then it is fair to say that the user will want more of the drug. I just can't see how the NHS will be able to issue more than a small amount, because there could be suspicions it will fall onto the black market (which is innevitable anyway and just adds to the dilemma). Now this is where I plead a bit of ignorance because I do not know what other treatments are available and if they can be used in conjunction with cannabis in whichever form.

The final point I wish to make is that addiction is a dependence. This will mean the user of a drug will feel they cannot live without a drug. As you rightly point out, if you're on a road to oblivion then does it matter? I think it does, because without the drug it could make the person feel worse and if say government policy changed - which isn't out of the realms of possibility this could fuck people up. Then there's my points about increased usage...

In principle I'm all for it, but I can see there being a lot more problems created in the administration and regulation of a drug which in a wider sense would be illegal.

[oxford_fan]

If medical use of cannabis leads to addiction then it is fair to say that the user will want more of the drug.

I just can't see how the NHS will be able to issue more than a small amount, because there could be suspicions it will fall onto the black market (which is innevitable anyway and just adds to the dilemma

The final point I wish to make is that addiction is a dependence.

Cannabis is not physically addictive, the user cannot become physically dependent on it.

Surely a small amount of prescription cannabis going to the black market isn't going to make much of a difference amongst the load that is already being shifted?

Apologies if I've misinterpreted a point, think I may have.

[Simon Pieman]

Fair point about the amount of stuff available but I was leaning more towards the argument thatl the governement cannot be seen to be wasting money on a drug which would surely cost more than the prescription value. In other words the more they shift the more they lose. They'll want to keep a tight clamp on things. Saying that I do not know the costs or what it would cost the user, but that's my interpretation.

Cannabis may not be physically addictive, but neither are many other drugs and people can become addicted to those. If they are dependent on them mentally they still need that drug to live. That said I don't think the physical addiction thing is out of the realms of possibility. I mean, if you disagree with that, you're disagreeing that it has any health benefits at all.

[flammableBen]

Fair point about the amount of stuff available but I was leaning more towards the argument thatl the governement cannot be seen to be wasting money on a drug which would surely cost more than the prescription value. In other words the more they shift the more they lose. They'll want to keep a tight clamp on things. Saying that I do not know the costs or what it would cost the user, but that's my interpretation.

Cannabis may not be physically addictive, but neither are many other drugs and people can become addicted to those. If they are dependent on them mentally they still need that drug to live. That said I don't think the physical addiction thing is out of the realms of possibility. I mean, if you disagree with that, you're disagreeing that it has any health benefits at all.

I think you're possibly getting to the point that where it's not physically adictive it is possible to become physically dependent on it. Possibly.