Carol service - Monday 18th December

[stfctownenda]

Maverick you my friend are a spoon and a hypocrite you say we are one sided but you have very rose tinted specs regarding certain parties until you choose to ask questions of both sides you are anything but impartial  :roll:

[Maverick]

Oh yes .. I nearly forgot .. Kerching .. that must be more for my back pocket too!!

 

[Reg Smeeton]

Sorry Reg I had forgotten that all voices that do not toe the new "party line" to the letter, must be part of the Newbury shower!

All hail to the great Reg Smeeton ..... better?

 :-))(

   Its quite straightforward....you claim to vacillate over your position, as a simple seeker of the truth.

   However you get  answers to all your questions from the Fans Consortium side, refuse to seek similar answers from the Board side, and take little note of any that are offered using previous statements from the Newbury placemen, as available sources of data.

 So although you claim to still be sitting on the fence in the interests of objectivity, your posts always carry a pro Board anti Consortium bias, which is why I view them with suspicion..  Only my opinion mind, I speak for no party line.

[Maverick]

Sorry Reg you lost me on the "using previous statements from the Newbury placemen" comment .... but as I have already said before .... what is the point of asking questions of the board on here?  They never contribute ... so other means have to be used to try to get answers from them..... they may or may not answer me ... but if I don't get answers to questions then I am left to my own conclusions.  Reasonable?

[herthab]

Sorry Reg you lost me on the "using previous statements from the Newbury placemen" comment .... but as I have already said before .... what is the point of asking questions of the board on here?  They never contribute ... so other means have to be used to try to get answers from them..... they may or may not answer me ... but if I don't get answers to questions then I am left to my own conclusions.  Reasonable?

And what are your conclusions, based on your answers from both the Trust and the Board?

[sonic youth]

surely not receiving any responses to your questions to the club yet the fans' consortium being entirely forward and open speaks volumes?

i believe paul davis et al have responded to all of your concerns yet your scepticism remains.

[herthab]

surely not receiving any responses to your questions to the club yet the fans' consortium being entirely forward and open speaks volumes?

i believe paul davis et al have responded to all of your concerns yet your scepticism remains.

That's what I was subtly getting at Sonic!

[Maverick]

sonic my main scepticism that remains is with regard to the current impasse.  I do not see how this approach is supposed to suddenly make SSW decide that he wants to engage in dialogue with these clearly "friendly" people, who have no time for those who (for whatever reason that is certainly not clear to me) he chooses to trust and believe in.

I really want ANY sound investment in the club .... I do not see how this current approach will work ..... it needs a large amount of humble pie to be consumed by the Consortium/Trust and swallowing of pride .. in the perhaps vain hope that progress can be made.  The greater prize for all is worth that much surely?

[herthab]

sonic my main scepticism that remains is with regard to the current impasse.  I do not see how this approach is supposed to suddenly make SSW decide that he wants to engage in dialogue with these clearly "friendly" people, who have no time for those who (for whatever reason that is certainly not clear to me) he chooses to trust and believe in.

I really want ANY sound investment in the club .... I do not see how this current approach will work ..... it needs a large amount of humble pie to be consumed by the Consortium/Trust and swallowing of pride .. in the perhaps vain hope that progress can be made.  The greater prize for all is worth that much surely?

What, exactly, has the Trust done to make apologies neccessary?

Whether you are, or not, you sound like an apologist for the current regime, despite the fact that they have clearly told half truths, cannot agree between themselves what line to take (One minute they want Bill Powers money, the next they don't; one minute the CVA is up to date, the next minute it's not; one minute they are so skint they have to sack Linda, the next they're recruiting directors/advisors left right and centre; one minute they would jump at the chance to sell the club, the next minute they don't want to sell, etc, etc, etc.

  The current board, whether they have done nothing else wrong, has acted in a totally unproffessional manner and it is no surprise that a lot of supporters have lost all faith in them.

[sonic youth]

the impasse has been caused by the board's denial of receiving a 'proper' approach, which simply isn't true. it's nothing to do with who the consortium are refusing to negotiate with, the foundations of which are based on sound legal advice.

if you've been told by lawyers not to negotiate with a man who has no legal position at the club and is currently under investigation by the DTI, you're hardly going to ignore that.

anyway, SSW's the majority shareholder and that is who the consortium will need to negotiate with.

[Maverick]

Ok fine ... you clearly have your stance ... but to me .. if I want something badly enough then I would rather grovel to get it than to see it all slip away ...... what does it matter who originally said what to who, or who cast the first stone?  To make progress will take agreement and negotiation ... so bite the bullet and persevere ... who cares if it takes 50 knock-backs and many closed doors? ... if it is truly worth it then try, try and just keep on trying .... but hopefully without the "blame" culture prevailing .. then surely the chances of success would be higher?

[herthab]

Any chance of answering my question Maverick?

Or do you only ask them?

[sonic youth]

Ok fine ... you clearly have your stance ... but to me .. if I want something badly enough then I would rather grovel to get it than to see it all slip away ...... what does it matter who originally said what to who, or who cast the first stone?  To make progress will take agreement and negotiation ... so bite the bullet and persevere ... who cares if it takes 50 knock-backs and many closed doors? ... if it is truly worth it then try, try and just keep on trying .... but hopefully without the "blame" culture prevailing .. then surely the chances of success would be higher?

Put your cards on the table, get on your knees and grovel - the board are just going to demand stupid money for what is essentially a worthless business without redevelopment. The redevelopment plans from the club have been laughable; the trust's redevelopment plans have been praised by local councillors - who gets the final say?

I understand that the consortium have made an excellent offer to SSW which has been refuted. If they were so willing to sell, why not now?

What have Newbury got to hide?

The negotation and agreement will come once the Consortium manage to get the right people to sit down with them, I believe these people have so far declined the opportunity. How do they negotiate when they can't even talk to them?

As for the blame culture, that exists for perfectly good reasons. It doesn't take an expert to work that out.

Frankly I'm pretty astounded at your continual defence of the board, you're as clued up as anyone on here and moreso than you're 'average' fan.

[Lumps]

I am more looking forward to the priest guitar solo actually.  :--

I hope Evans doesn't mosh to much. We don't need another injury.

Judas Priest played the carol concert? Fucking Hell!

[millom red]

Sorry Reg I had forgotten that all voices that do not toe the new "party line" to the letter, must be part of the Newbury shower!

All hail to the great Reg Smeeton ..... better?

 :-))(

   Its quite straightforward....you claim to vacillate over your position, as a simple seeker of the truth.

   However you get  answers to all your questions from the Fans Consortium side, refuse to seek similar answers from the Board side, and take little note of any that are offered using previous statements from the Newbury placemen, as available sources of data.

 So although you claim to still be sitting on the fence in the interests of objectivity, your posts always carry a pro Board anti Consortium bias, which is why I view them with suspicion..  Only my opinion mind, I speak for no party line.

Exactly! :box:  Well said Reg!! Did anyone go orange?