CVA Payment

[Panda Paws]

I fully intend to buy some shares through the new issue and would encourage everybody else, especially trust memebrs to do so as well.  

It is a prime opportunity to achieve one of the trusts main goals - increase the shareholding in the club and get a seat on the board.

Me too ... I fully intent to scrap together whatever cash I can find for this.

[red macca]

Bill Power was at the club in good health when the CVA payment was due.

His £1.2m did come to the club.

Why was the CVA fucked about with?

Do you know what his £1.2m was used for? Do we still have it?
was it feasible to pay the CVA with these funds (if they were available) without jeopardising any other commitments?

Unless we know ALL the facts (which rightly we will never) then we can not make these judgements.

No one on the board wants this club to go belly up - neither is it in their interests for that to happen - so why get on their backs about something they as the board probably have more reason to worry about than us fans?

Find a way to help, if you cant then there is nothing else you can do other than show up week in week out so there is no point in turning a business problem into a media frenzy by turning it into a fans vs board arguement!

Do you work for them?? I really dont understand what your point is lets just keep sitting back until we know facts we would have no club then.  This is a fans vs boards argument we give a crap about this club, wills family aside I doubt that anyone else on that board is bothered they can all find other jobs, the truth will come out at some point and people like yourself who chose to ignore it will be left very red faced  :x

I never said lets do nothing you numpty - I said that moaning about it wont help anyone!If people want to help then I agree with Batch - get involved in the consortium or try to find some way of helping the club rather than ganging up on them.

And no I do not work for them - if i could get a job with them to help though I would quite my current job in a flash if I felt it would help (as i suspect most real fans would also!)

not moaning enough is whats got us in this mess.the fact that this board can just dismiss us when they think they need to tells you they dont give a fuck about the fans

well done starnes 3 weeks into your new role you have bullshitted the fans alreadyi

[Sharky]

Bill Power was at the club in good health when the CVA payment was due.

His £1.2m did come to the club.

Why was the CVA fucked about with?

Do you know what his £1.2m was used for? Do we still have it?
was it feasible to pay the CVA with these funds (if they were available) without jeopardising any other commitments?

Unless we know ALL the facts (which rightly we will never) then we can not make these judgements.

No one on the board wants this club to go belly up - neither is it in their interests for that to happen - so why get on their backs about something they as the board probably have more reason to worry about than us fans?

Find a way to help, if you cant then there is nothing else you can do other than show up week in week out so there is no point in turning a business problem into a media frenzy by turning it into a fans vs board arguement!

Do you work for them?? I really dont understand what your point is lets just keep sitting back until we know facts we would have no club then.  This is a fans vs boards argument we give a crap about this club, wills family aside I doubt that anyone else on that board is bothered they can all find other jobs, the truth will come out at some point and people like yourself who chose to ignore it will be left very red faced  :x

I never said lets do nothing you numpty - I said that moaning about it wont help anyone!If people want to help then I agree with Batch - get involved in the consortium or try to find some way of helping the club rather than ganging up on them.

And no I do not work for them - if i could get a job with them to help though I would quite my current job in a flash if I felt it would help (as i suspect most real fans would also!)

not moaning enough is whats got us in this mess.the fact that this board can just dismiss us when they think they need to tells you they dont give a fuck about the fans

well done starnes 3 weeks into your new role you have bullshitted the fans alreadyi

Since when did moaning get you anything in life other than when you were 1 year old and wetting yourself?

Are you 1?

Moaning never solved anything - constructive critisism, debate and finding a solution - now thats what I am talking about.

I dont see how people can disagree with this?

[SwindonTartanArmy]

Something is seriously up when a board can get away with an outright lie. :evil:

[red macca]

constructive moaning will get us what we need.we have been trying to find a solution to sort are mess out for 40 years ffs

we moaned when macari was sacked and it worked

the one year old swipe is just childish mate

[WorcesterRed]

Sharky - I think that the issue is one of the board being less than truthful with their comments and people are frustrated (to say the least) that we seem to bumble along from problem to problem. I'd guess that as this is the upteenth time that this has happened, people's patience has been stretched too far.

[Sharky]

Something is seriously up when a board can get away with an outright lie. :evil:

Dont get me wrong I have no time for lies and misinformation, but at the end of the day their jobs are at stake with the future of this club and some of their own money in some cases is too - so they have nothing to gain by doing a piss poor job - i am certain they are simply doing what they think is best to handle the situation - whether this is right or wrong is up for debate but to make an impact on the situation surely the best course of action is to give ther board an alternative or help in some way?

[pauld]

I fully intend to buy some shares through the new issue and would encourage everybody else, especially trust memebrs to do so as well.  

It is a prime opportunity to achieve one of the trusts main goals - increase the shareholding in the club and get a seat on the board.

I'd be very careful about going down that route Piemonte until we see what the terms of the rights issue are - for example, quite often these kind of schemes actually serve mainly to dilute the existing shares, rather than to increase representation. And I'd be extremely concerned at the present time at recommending to fans that they should hand over any money to the current regime, certainly until we know in very great detail what the terms of any rights issue are.

[Sharky]

Sharky - I think that the issue is one of the board being less than truthful with their comments and people are frustrated (to say the least) that we seem to bumble along from problem to problem. I'd guess that as this is the upteenth time that this has happened, people's patience has been stretched too far.

And I am a fan too and have been for many years - I understand the frustration and I agree with some of it.

My only problem with some peoples views on the matter is that it ca be very defeatist and unhelpful thats all

I am not trying to argue with everyone, simply give my opinion thats all - I for one will be doing all I can and have already to try to find a way to help the club.

I'm certain whether I agree with peoples opinions or not and whether it will help or not, all the fans are only doing what they think will help and I'm all for that.

I'm only human like all fans at this club, what some seem to forget I feel, is that so too are the board - they are not omnipotent (if thats spelt right!)

[stfctownenda]

Something is seriously up when a board can get away with an outright lie. :evil:

Dont get me wrong I have no time for lies and misinformation, but at the end of the day their jobs are at stake with the future of this club and some of their own money in some cases is too - so they have nothing to gain by doing a piss poor job - i am certain they are simply doing what they think is best to handle the situation - whether this is right or wrong is up for debate but to make an impact on the situation surely the best course of action is to give ther board an alternative or help in some way?

They will get other jobs they are just trying to cover there tracks and the incompetent shit they keep delivering, if I did my job the way they did theres I would be sacked, stop sticking up for a board that simply have no argument they lie and cheat and have been for a very long time.  Its time for the Wills family to take back control and clean all of these fools out the club  :?

[Batch]

on the face of it some of them are incompetent.

[lambourn red]

Since when did moaning get you anything in life other than when you were 1 year old and wetting yourself?

That is one of the biggest problems with British culture , we do not Moan/Complain enough we just let the people get away with things.Every other free democratic culture in the world complains when things are not right.
If you went to a restaurant and you ordered your meal and it said it was £10 but when you got the bill it was £20  you would MOAN because you had been lied to , this is no different . The board have blatantly lied numerous times and this is just another episode in a very sorry tale of poor mismanagement of a business.

If this was a company listed on the stock exchange they would not get away with telling lies to investors and customers time and time again.

[WorcesterRed]

Sharky - I think that the issue is one of the board being less than truthful with their comments and people are frustrated (to say the least) that we seem to bumble along from problem to problem. I'd guess that as this is the upteenth time that this has happened, people's patience has been stretched too far.

And I am a fan too and have been for many years - I understand the frustration and I agree with some of it. As I said, I used to agree with you but everyone has a patience threshold and the board seem to be trying to stretch everyone's as much as possible.

My only problem with some peoples views on the matter is that it ca be very defeatist and unhelpful thats all....While there are some irrational postings, I think that the comments made by most are valid and are borne of being lied to time and time again.

[Panda Paws]

http://www.swindontownfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/WhosWho/0,,10341,00.html

An aside ... how out of date is this page?

[Sharky]

Since when did moaning get you anything in life other than when you were 1 year old and wetting yourself?

That is one of the biggest problems with British culture , we do not Moan/Complain enough we just let the people get away with things.Every other free democratic culture in the world complains when things are not right.
If you went to a restaurant and you ordered your meal and it said it was £10 but when you got the bill it was £20  you would MOAN because you had been lied to , this is no different . The board have blatantly lied numerous times and this is just another episode in a very sorry tale of poor mismanagement of a business.

If this was a company listed on the stock exchange they would not get away with telling lies to investors and customers time and time again.

To some of what you said I agree but you are missing my point...

Moaning alone gets us nowhere!

If a bill should be £10 and it comes through £20 in a restaurant - you dont just sit there and scream how shit they are do you, you tell them the problem and what you want i.e. the bill to be changed to £10 and maybe some form of compensation.

All I am trying to advocate is some more constructive moaning as it were as opposed to random unhelpful comments.

Its only my opinion at the end of the day so if it offends some then my apologies to those people - I just think as fans we have more power and skills than we currentl let ourselves believe, so why waste them on sweeping statements rather than trying to constructively help?