Very worrying - Middle east

[janaage]

Rather than hammering Israel (although they should be well and truly slapped for their violation of human rights where it occurs) if you want to look for the destablising forces in the region, look to Syria and Iran who are both heavy backers of both Hamas and Hezbollah. If you look at where the current crisis started, it began with first Hamas kidnapping an Israeli soldier in the South, then Hezbollah following suit to the North. The Israeli response, especially in Gaza, has been disgracefully disproportionate, but neither of the initial kidnappings which started this off could have taken place without the tacit approval of the Syrians at least. Who incidentally have been destabilising the Lebanon for years, long before the Israeli intervention.

I wonder why the soldiers were kidnapped though?  Anything to do with years of being treated like pigs by their Israelli occupiers?  Anything to do with being unable to travel freely?  Anything to do with residential areas being bombed by miltary forces.  Face facts Paul if this was any other country than Israel acting like this the States would be forced into action.  No wonder the Islamic extremists have no problem hiring willing youngsters in their fight against the west whilst we sit back and do nothing.

[spacey]

I'll tell you who I blame! That smarmy faced kid off of the frosties adverts.

He's dead if I ever see him :x

[Dazzza]

I'll tell you who I blame! That smarmy faced kid off of the frosties adverts.

He's dead if I ever see him :x

He needs a good Zidane right in the mush.

I think with all of those Jewish characters in Israel we should just send the buggers back from where they came from and give them Greenland to play with.

Plenty of space in Greenland.

[sonic youth]

I'll tell you who I blame! That smarmy faced kid off of the frosties adverts.

He's dead if I ever see him :x

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jameswalsh/pierate.jpg

[Dazzza]

That and the fruit pastel advert just makes me want to rip off both small of their underdeveloped scrotums and then gorge on them like some sort of nose boned cannibal.

The fruit pastel advert with its attempt at urban cool (what ever the fuck that is anyway) really is the fucking lowest of the low.

[pauld]

Rather than hammering Israel (although they should be well and truly slapped for their violation of human rights where it occurs) if you want to look for the destablising forces in the region, look to Syria and Iran who are both heavy backers of both Hamas and Hezbollah. If you look at where the current crisis started, it began with first Hamas kidnapping an Israeli soldier in the South, then Hezbollah following suit to the North. The Israeli response, especially in Gaza, has been disgracefully disproportionate, but neither of the initial kidnappings which started this off could have taken place without the tacit approval of the Syrians at least. Who incidentally have been destabilising the Lebanon for years, long before the Israeli intervention.

I wonder why the soldiers were kidnapped though?  Anything to do with years of being treated like pigs by their Israelli occupiers?  Anything to do with being unable to travel freely?  Anything to do with residential areas being bombed by miltary forces.  Face facts Paul if this was any other country than Israel acting like this the States would be forced into action.  No wonder the Islamic extremists have no problem hiring willing youngsters in their fight against the west whilst we sit back and do nothing.

Don't disagree with any of the above - the Israelis have behaved disgracefully in the occupied territories, but again you're talking as if the militias are stand-alone forces instead of proxies for Syrian and to a lesser extent Iranian governments. To turn your argument of provocation on its head, how would our government, and ordinary people come to that, react if we'd had years of mortar attacks on civilians, bus bombs in London, Manchester, Birmingham on a weekly basis, pizza parlours full of kids attacked by suicide bombers, loonies attacking churches with machine guns on a regular basis etc etc. Oh, and if every one of the countries surrounding us was comitted to our destruction, but having failed to achieve it through conventional military means was now sponsoring, arming and actively controlling dozens of terrorist groups which were carrying out those attacks? The Israelis have put up with 30+ years of this - doesn't excuse the horrendous treatment of the Palestinians but it's not a simple "bad old US-backed Israel is being horrid to the poor little oppessed Arabs" argument as the Left in this country and large chunks of the media would have you believe. (There, that bit should upset Yeovil).

And FWIW I know for a fact that the kid off the Frosties advert is a Ba'athist agent of the Syrians. So it's all full circle, you see.

[Reg Smeeton]

The situation started in the late 40's I thought with the systematic removal of palestinians from their homeland??

 The siituation developed in Biblical pre history.

[OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR]

The situation started in the late 40's I thought with the systematic removal of palestinians from their homeland??

 The siituation developed in Biblical pre history.

And for that reason will never be resolved.

[dennis_pennis]

What I wan't to know is why do Israel play in the European section of the World Cup qualifiers when they are in the Middle East not Europe. Surely they should play against Iran, Saudi Arabia,Kuwait etc. Does that mean that Wales or france or Serbia could play in the middle East section if they wanted :?

[pauld]

Probably because the rest of the group hates them. Always been a bit puzzled as to why they're in the Eurovision song contest as well. Or why they'd want to be come to that

[Bogus Dave]

spacey wrote:
I'll tell you who I blame! That smarmy faced kid off of the frosties adverts.

He's dead if I ever see him  

That advert makes no sense. Who eats cereal off a plate?

[Leggett]

one pile of human excrement, one industrial-sized fan, add the possibility of a nuke or two being waved about (if iran get involved) and i'd say we could all be fucked. doomsday and all that.


diving back into the ol' bible, Revelations is a bit of an eye-opening read. doesnt sound too much fun really. if the number 7 appears anywhere, run for the fucking hills. or 4. neither are particularly good.

[DMR]

"let them bomb the fuck out of each other, saves us doing it" was my dad's comment this morning  

[red macca]

fuck em leave them to it

[Leggett]

trouble is, the US aint that far behind israel, cos lets be honest they're pretty good mates. if israel keep attacking, its only a matter of time before iran become involved, and then everyones in trouble. you cant just stick your head in teh sand and say 'fuck em, dont involve me' cos when a few nukes are flying about, we're all shagged mate.