England Tactics v Ecuador

[DMR]

Dazzza old boy, you've lost the plot matey.

[SwindonStevo]

rooney drops off and links with the midfield, crouch needs someone to play off him and chase his knock downs. i think we should leave crouch as an impact player when we need him.

I agree with the formation at the moment with most but i think we should play Beckham in the middle behind Gerrard and Lampard, granted hes not a tough tackling holding player but attack is the best form of defence and attacking it looks fantastic. with aaron lennon playing as a winger on the ring and joey cole playing as well as he has done hopefully then beckham can spray balls outwide from the middle, it also gives lampard and gerrard a licence to get forward as we have so wanted them both to have for so long.

the only downside is rooneys right up top and not really linking with the midfield as much as normal. Its not ideal, but then no formation is at the moment because we have lost owen and the only like for like replacement we have is walcot whos too unexperienced to start (although he should really have clocked up about an hours worth of footie now in this world cup if sven knew what he was doing, plus if he took defoe instead of loverboy hargreaves we would have an experienced replacement.)

so here it goes my lineupo vs ecuador......

....................Robinson....................

Carragher  Terry  Ferdinand  A.Cole

....................Beckham.....................

Lennon   Gerrard   Lampard   J.Cole

.....................Rooney.......................

[Piemonte]

Stevo - Do you remember th game V Northern Ireland? And more to the point where Beckham played?

[SwindonStevo]

yes.

i seem to remember he was the only player that played half decent. the whole media questioned sven after the game that maybe it was beckhams best position but it was wrong for the team and that sven was just doing it because beckham is his lover.

it didnt go wrong because beckham was in the middle vs northern ireland, more to do with owen being small and isolated up front on his own and wayne rooney being wasted on the left hand side of midfield.

[Piemonte]

bollocks.

Playing Beckham there led to the Gerrard and Lampard hardly touching the ball.

Beckham might look ok there, but at the toal expense of the rest of the team ie. 2 of our more gifted and likley to score players hardly tought the ball because becks is pinging 50 yard balls over their heads.

[OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR]

I don't understand tactics.

There.

I said it.

And I reckon there are loads of others like me.  'Down the pub with the lads' I can regurgitate (sp?) stuff I have heard from Hansen and Gray etc all day long and sound like I know what I am talking about.

But I don't really.

That is all.

 

[SwindonStevo]

if beckham has any sense he will mix it up.

its a different situation because lampard and gerrard will be getting forward more to support the attack.

I also dont think the system was the reason as you said gerrard and lampard didnt get involved as much as they should have. its more to do with the fact that the northern ireland midfielders realised the only chance they had to do something in the game would be to close these players down quickly as they have a tendencey of striking from far out or creating something specail.

it was about cutting them off as best they could, i cant see say brazil or argentina adopting this policy can you?

[lebowski]

rooney isn't fit enough to lead the line on his own, and even if he was he just isn't that kind of player.

ironically, darren bent played most of last season as the lone striker and scored a shed-load of goals doing it, yet he was left at home.

let's not forget how well we played 1st half against sweden, no real need to change that formation. though i would rather see gerrard in ahead of lampard: he's a far more complete player.

[Ben Wah Balls]

I think you're right about Rooney but even if Bent was there it would be a pretty bizarre decision to drop both Crouch and Rooney, our two best strikers with Owen out so I'd don't think Bent would get to start anyway.

I think we've got two realistic options 1. play Rooney as a lone striker and Hargreaves as a holding midfielder which is ok but not really where Rooney's at his best or 2. play Crouch and Rooney which allows Rooney to play in his best position but compromises Lampard and Gerrard a bit.

I prefer two myself.

[SwindonStevo]

im just trying to make the best of the bad sitation and belive me it is bad....the other ideal thing to do would be to do what sven will do but with carrick instead of hargreaves.

any formation which hargreaves is in, isnt are strongest side.

idealy we would have either darren bent or jermaine defoe to step in now, unfortunately sven is a prize cunt.

[Simon Pieman]

rooney isn't fit enough to lead the line on his own, and even if he was he just isn't that kind of player.

ironically, darren bent played most of last season as the lone striker and scored a shed-load of goals doing it, yet he was left at home.

let's not forget how well we played 1st half against sweden, no real need to change that formation. though i would rather see gerrard in ahead of lampard: he's a far more complete player.

Thing is, Bent is shit.

[Ben Wah Balls]

idealy we would have either darren bent or jermaine defoe to step in now, unfortunately sven is a prize cunt.

If either Defoe or Bent were there now I wouldn't want either of them to start though.

As much as I like Defoe he's not had a great season and Crouch is a better player. He'd be a good option to have on the bench though.

Not bothered about Bent not being there, he's still unproven, maybe slightly more proven that Walcott but not much.

[DV]

Svens an idiot for not taking Jermain Defoe....


Rooney isnt match fit, and Crouch isnt a world class centre forward [not saying Defoe is, but Crouch is no Owen) and they are our only options.....

[red macca]

Svens an idiot for not taking Jermain Defoe....


Rooney isnt match fit, and Crouch isnt a world class centre forward [not saying Defoe is, but Crouch is no Owen) and they are our only options.....

pls explain to me what defoe done this year to warrant being taken to germany.imo opinion the team should be

                                     robinson

carragher/neville          rio              terry                    cole

                                    hargreaves

beckham                      lampard              gerrard           cole

                                    rooney

we need crouch on the bench to come on if need be.if we start with both and one gets injured we are fucked so might aswell play safe.realistically if you were the opposition would you prefer to play against crouch or gerrard,lampard,cole and rooney running at you..the latter wont happen with crouch in the team

[DV]

Svens an idiot for not taking Jermain Defoe....


Rooney isnt match fit, and Crouch isnt a world class centre forward [not saying Defoe is, but Crouch is no Owen) and they are our only options.....

pls explain to me what defoe done this year to warrant being taken to germany

please explain to me what walcott has done this year to warrant being taken to germany

please explain to me what hargreaves has done this year to warrant being taken to germany

please explain to me what jenas has done this year to warrant being taken to germany

please explain to me what bridge has done this year to warrant being taken to Germany

Jermain Defoe has lots of Premiership expirence, has scored a few goals, has played at international level and was in the squad for all the qualifiers, that instantly makes him a better option that Walcott

Jermain Defoe should have been taken purely because he is a striker. It doesnt even have to be Defoe, it could have been Bent or even Andy Johnson. The fact is Sven didnt take enough strikers.

Owen and Rooney werent fit enough and Walcott has never even played in the Premiership and Crouch isnt good enough to start. Yes he is a good player, yes he is different, yes he deserves to be in the squad but id rather he was a super sub that starting...

Now with Owen well and truely fucked, we have even less options.

Sven didnt take enough strikers