Which war was more of a historical disgrace?

[pauld]

And by the same tolkein you could say that the people were the problem in WWII, not Nazism itself.   *

*No, I'm not trying to say Nazism is OK, incase anybody wants to make that leap of 'logic'

Good point, well made, only slightly undermined by the Hobbit-ing Also applies to the examples of Communist oppression as well, and is equally valid as in both instances the ideologies themselves were inherently violent and repressive.

[RedRag]

Truth is the first casualty of propagandolph in war

[RWB Robin]

I disagree that Communism is violent per se.  Of course it was in the outworking, because, actually, those of us who believe in justice and also believe in freedom cannot have it both ways, human nature appears to be competitive.  Communism set up a structure which sought to manage and control that urge to compete, to avoid the winners and losers which typify most if not all societies; but at the end of the day, those who took control could not themselves live the philosophy they espoused.  So corruption and persecution followed.

Nazism was indeed violent - root and branch....but it was devised by people...and as with most evil (religious or other!) there may have been grains of truth and/or wisdom, or justified antagonism towards the Treaty of Versailles, or a whole lot of other bits and pieces which characterised early C20th Europe,which then grew into the despicable monster that Nazism was/is because people (and not only Hitler) saw their opportunity for power, and realised the power of fear and hatred for achieving their ends.

But it is always people.....psychology and sociology are so important for understanding history.

[4D]

Truth is the first casualty of propagandolph in war

Where's doore these days? We need more doore

[derbystfc]

The Tolkien/Hobbit links to WW2 isnt to strange, Tolkien served in WW2, and the Nazi occupation of most of europe was the influence behind Orks, Mordor, Sauron etc etc