Europe Debate: In or out?

[Samdy Gray]

I like the fact that all the EU bashers have completely glossed over the fact that this is a step towards what they want and are just using it as an opportunity to poke sticks at Cameron.

[leefer]

The reports about Cameron upsetting the French and Germans is just theatrical bollocks.

The City Of London (the square mile bit) is the most powerful financial area on the planet. It's one corner of the world powerhouse that looks after everything - religion, money and military force.

a short list of who's there;

Privately owned and controlled 'Bank of England'
Lloyds of London
The London Stock Exchange
Most British bank HQ's
The Branch offices of over 350 Foreign Banks
70 odd USA Banks
Newspaper and Publishing Monopolies
Headquarters for Worldwide Freemasonry
Headquarters for the worldwide money cartel known as 'THE CROWN'

Sarkozy, Merkel and the other fucking peasant nations that make up the joke that is the EU, are the ones being cut adrift here while the City protects and maintains it's position - like it's always done.

If I had any financial interests anywhere remotely related to - or tied to the Euro, I'd get the fuck out pronto, coz that currency is only going to go one way.

Thank yourself lucky if you're a UK resident, because once the Euro goes tits, things are going to get nasty on the continent.

Good post.....except not going to get nasty,but get nastier.
The complete fuck up in the Irish Republic boom and bust is just a taster of what happens when you  put all your eggs into one basket...ie the euro.
I know there is more to it than that but it is no coincidence surely.

[RedRag]

and the other fucking peasant nations

....like to see you spout that off to PDC on Saturday

[ghanimah]

I like the fact that all the EU bashers have completely glossed over the fact that this is a step towards what they want and are just using it as an opportunity to poke sticks at Cameron.

It's not a step towards anything, Cameron hasn't actually done anything. If he had, personally I would be happy to acknowledge it.

[Samdy Gray]

It's not a step towards anything.

Really? Your leader Mr Farage says otherwise.

[ghanimah]

Really? Your leader Mr Farage says otherwise.

Well I don't agree with him...

[Baggins]

Well I don't agree with him...

Not many do.  Thankfully.

[jonny72]

Cameron walked straight into a trap set by Sarkozy, partly because he is in hock to a Eurosceptic party and partly because he is slapdash and doesn't prep enough for stuff like this. Making the debate "Britain v the EU" is exactly what the French want because it pulls all the other EU countries together. Cameron is an idiot for falling for it.

Cameron is looking pretty clever at the moment. A number of countries saying they aren't happy with signing up to some of the conditions being talked about, Merkel making it clear they want us to stay within the EU (Sarkozy was practically calling for us to be kicked out) and they've now asked Britain to sit in on the negotiations for the treaty. So much for us being isolated.

If anyone is looking an idiot it's Sarkozy at present, especially with the head of the French national bank throwing a temper tantrum about Britain not being on the potential credit downgrade list. Though Miliband has come out of it pretty badly as well, Cameron pissed all over him during PM questions.

[DA15red]

Probably already quoted as haven't read whole thread but I liked the analogy of the pro Euro brigade being like someone standing on the quay watching wistfully as the Titanic sails off for America.

[fatbasher]

Cameron is looking pretty clever at the moment. A number of countries saying they aren't happy with signing up to some of the conditions being talked about, Merkel making it clear they want us to stay within the EU (Sarkozy was practically calling for us to be kicked out) and they've now asked Britain to sit in on the negotiations for the treaty. So much for us being isolated.

If anyone is looking an idiot it's Sarkozy at present, especially with the head of the French national bank throwing a temper tantrum about Britain not being on the potential credit downgrade list. Though Miliband has come out of it pretty badly as well, Cameron pissed all over him during PM questions.

My seven year old could piss over Milliband in a debate. Seriously, don't think that the rest of Europe do not realise what Sarkozy is or what he stands for.

One other thing I'd like to throw into the debate is this. There is an awful lot of scare mongering wrt to the loss of jobs if we withdraw from he EU. That's a load of bollocks. If you're remotely connected to business and sales you'll understand the 80/20 rule. For those of you who don't, it means that 80% of your business comes from 20% of your customers. If you lose as few biggies you could be well fucked. So what has this to do with Europe? Well we "free" trade or so say without any barriers with 26 countries, this amounts to 40% of our exports. When shown in the context of how many countries are actually in the world that's ball crushingly dangerous. If the EU implodes as could be on the cards where the hell are we going to get that back? so much for the 80/20 rule.

£50m per day we pay to the EU club. Can you imagine how much of a return we'd get by ploughing that back into manufacturing and the like, to go out and sell to the rest of the world? Those Euro countries who could afford to buy will still do so and we have hi tech industry to do that and the know how to boot. Sure being in a club or a family is comforting but incestuous which leads to inbreeding and inward isolationist tendencies, not a good out look.

[Phil_S]

My seven year old could piss over Milliband in a debate. Seriously, don't think that the rest of Europe do not realise what Sarkozy is or what he stands for.

One other thing I'd like to throw into the debate is this. There is an awful lot of scare mongering wrt to the loss of jobs if we withdraw from he EU. That's a load of bollocks. If you're remotely connected to business and sales you'll understand the 80/20 rule. For those of you who don't, it means that 80% of your business comes from 20% of your customers. If you lose as few biggies you could be well fucked. So what has this to do with Europe? Well we "free" trade or so say without any barriers with 26 countries, this amounts to 40% of our exports. When shown in the context of how many countries are actually in the world that's ball crushingly dangerous. If the EU implodes as could be on the cards where the hell are we going to get that back? so much for the 80/20 rule.

£50m per day we pay to the EU club. Can you imagine how much of a return we'd get by ploughing that back into manufacturing and the like, to go out and sell to the rest of the world? Those Euro countries who could afford to buy will still do so and we have hi tech industry to do that and the know how to boot. Sure being in a club or a family is comforting but incestuous which leads to inbreeding and inward isolationist tendencies, not a good out look.

Totally agree, the other point is that we import more from the EU than we export to them. So, do the french & germans really want to stop selling their stuff to us. Just look at the number of french & german made cars on our roads.
Plus if were not in the EU we could free up trade with our more traditional partners such as australia, canada, & india