Man Utd Vs Spurs

[RedRag]

Div, you give a nice rationale of the sort that can be given after the event - and when no comments have to be made at the time

You ignore the point about Ferdinand's intervention, ie why Clattemberg permitted Rio to follow him to the Assistant and talk throughout Clattenbergs' consultation about the flagging after Clattenberg had waved the Spurs players away.

Presumably we can all agree that Clattenberg was merely applying the rule that Rio Ferdinand at Old Trafford IS permitted to join in any 3 way discussion between ref and Assistant (like the rule we saw the previous Sunday that Gary Neville cannot be sent off on his 500th appearance)?

Clatt = Twat on yesterday's performance

[THE FLASH]

Have to say that having now seen it all I can't help but think the whole thing was a complete farce. For a start it was never a penalty so why on earth Nani decided to try and pick the ball up I will never know. Gomes should have just kicked it out from his hands having played the advantage but he didn't.....that was part 1 of the problem. This is where the confusion comes in....the ref reckons he was playing advantage but surely Nani should be booked for the handball?....I guess he could have been booked when the ball next went out of play but he wasn't.

The assistant didn't help matters....he did not flag until Nani decided to shoot. Surely if he thought it was handball he'd have flagged as soon as Nani attempted to pick it up?....and lastly why on earth the ref decided it should stand is beyond me. He should have at least gone with the linos decision....of course when you have twats like Rio in your face telling you it's a goal at Old Trafford then you're going to cave in and agree with him....shocking officiating from start to finish to be honest.

I can remeber a ref booking someone for grabbing the ball like that at Swindon a few years back.

[reeves4england]

Did the ref signal advantage, or just make that up to cover his back? Or are we just guessing that he played advantage?

[Summerof69]

I wonder if he would of given the same thing to Spurs??

Remember the ball behind the line??

Ironically Clattenberg was also the ref in that game.

[Rich Pullen]

Which wasn't Clattenburg's fault.

[Iffy's Onion Bhaji]

I can remeber a ref booking someone for grabbing the ball like that at Swindon a few years back.

That's because it's a bookable offense.

[thedarkprince]

Did the ref signal advantage, or just make that up to cover his back? Or are we just guessing that he played advantage?

No, there was no indication of him playing advantage in fact he had his hands behind his back to, I presume, indicate no penalty.  The fact at no point did he raise the whistle to his lips so, in my view, Gomes is to blame for assuming there shoudl've been a free kick.  As has been said many times now, you play to the whistle. 

[jonny72]

It shouldn't have been a goal, how the referee decided to award it after talking to his linesman (who had seen the handball) I'll never know. Even if he had seen the handball and had played advantage (though you can see from the replays that he didn't) he should have gone back and awarded the free kick.

There is no technology in the world that can help prevent referee's making dumb ass decisions like this.

[thedarkprince]

To be fair, if technology could eliminate all stupid decisions then football would be a very boring game.  I mean what would we do if we didn't have a ref to vent our fury at...?

[Rich Pullen]

To be fair, if technology could eliminate all stupid decisions then football would be a very boring game.  I mean what would we do if we didn't have a ref to vent our fury at...?

EXACTLY! where would be the fun in that?

[Div]

Div, you give a nice rationale of the sort that can be given after the event - and when no comments have to be made at the time

You ignore the point about Ferdinand's intervention, ie why Clattemberg permitted Rio to follow him to the Assistant and talk throughout Clattenbergs' consultation about the flagging after Clattenberg had waved the Spurs players away.

Presumably we can all agree that Clattenberg was merely applying the rule that Rio Ferdinand at Old Trafford IS permitted to join in any 3 way discussion between ref and Assistant (like the rule we saw the previous Sunday that Gary Neville cannot be sent off on his 500th appearance)?

Clatt = Twat on yesterday's performance

Like i said i havn't seen it, i was only commenting on the elements of law which were being discussed. I've heard Ferdinand was around, but without seeing it i have no idea about how 'involved' he was. If he was yards away having his say then yes it's a fuck up. Why he couldn't have handled it like he handled the tottenham players at Man City (three lud shouts of go away and generous arm signals) is he own mistake and he would be getting raped by the assessor for it.

(Apparently though, there is a camera angle which give the same view as Clattenburg had, and it's hard to see any Handball so what he told his assistant only god knows)

[jonny72]

I've heard Ferdinand was around, but without seeing it i have no idea about how 'involved' he was.

Ferdinand was so close he could have put his arm round the referee. Which strangely the linesman did do, maybe there is a gay love thing going on between them. God only knows why he didn't wave him away like he did the Spurs players.

[RedRag]

might explain a fair part of the sorry sequence if Clattenberg didn't see the handball at all...good to know there's inconsistency at Old Trafford as well as at Huish Park and the County Ground.