Ingerlund vs Ukraine Matchday Thread

[Colin Todd]

I dont think Crouch and Rooney well ever work well together for that exact reason. Heskey may be mildly shit but he does push the opposition defence back with his ability to get on to balls over the top.

[axs]

I get sick of that argument - we're England, we're shit, we don't deserve to win anything, we're not good enough.

Its total bollocks and just a lame excuse for them under performing.

But that's not the argument I made - at no point did I say any of those things.

[adje]

Let's face it -how we qualify will have nothing whatsoever to do with how we play when we get there

[michael]

I think we are going to win it

South Africa next year will be cold, wet and windy. Just how we like it.

[jonny72]

But that's not the argument I made - at no point did I say any of those things.

I read your post as saying England are shit and aren't good enough to win a coin toss and that to expect them to would be unrealistic. If that isn't what you meant, I apologise.

My point stands though. Too many people give the England team a get out of them just not being good enough to win tournaments. They are good enough and we should be giving them bollockings rather than excuses.

[axs]

I read your post as saying England are shit and aren't good enough to win a coin toss and that to expect them to would be unrealistic. If that isn't what you meant, I apologise.

My point stands though. Too many people give the England team a get out of them just not being good enough to win tournaments. They are good enough and we should be giving them bollockings rather than excuses.

I absolutely did not mean we are shit and shouldn't be expected to win anything, but there are expectations and they need to be realistic, I expect to be in the top ten rankings and reach the last 16 / quarter final of major competitions (and for fuck's sake qualify), after that it takes something special and i don't think it can be expected of any England team to assume to be there, but I would expect to be there once in a while.

[Matchworn Shirts]

There's nothing less pointless in football than winning. Don't get jealous of England having the best international record in Europe.

I would hardly say I was jealous of Englands record

[Ben Wah Balls]

Happy with mediocrity then.

[Matchworn Shirts]

Happy with mediocrity then.

3 world cups and 3 european championships = mediocrity

[Ben Wah Balls]

Germany's overall record is worse than England's and they are currently a weaker team than England, really helps to get lucky at the right times though but lets be honest if either of those competitions had started in 1872 England would have easily won the most.

[jonny72]

Germany's overall record is worse than England's and they are currently a weaker team than England, really helps to get lucky at the right times though but lets be honest if either of those competitions had started in 1872 England would have easily won the most.

If we hadn't had our heads shoved up our arses for so long and had entered every World Cup since they started we'd probably have won it as many times as Brazil.