Iraq becoming americas northern ireland

[millom red]

23,000 more trigger happy yanks being sent by bush to baghdad.
This is gonna get worse. I hope he dont expect us brits to send anymore. Our lot are doing ok in the south relatively speaking.

Bush is as bigger cunt as diamandis.

[Samdy Gray]

3,000 Brits reportedly coming home by May, that's half of our troops out there.

The Yanks can have Iraq to themselves for all I care.

[yeo]

Whats the alternative?

once you start something you have to finish it regardless of whether the war was right or wrong to just pull out now would leave the place in even more chaos than its in now.

[Lumps]

Whats the alternative?

once you start something you have to finish it regardless of whether the war was right or wrong to just pull out now would leave the place in even more chaos than its in now.

Not going to happen I'm afraid. There is no "end" to this that will sort it all out.

From the time of the invasion this outcome, the total fracture of Iraqi civil society and a rapid descent into a rather vicious sectarian civil war, looked a bit inevitable.

Having pictures of what looked for all the world like a lynch mob stringing up Saddam posted all over the net probably hasn't helped either to be honest.

Now it looks like Bush has got his way and the US will continue with the "Stay the course" strategy that you seem to support, despite the increasings misgivings of a lot of his supporters. In fact they seem to be going for a variant of "Stay the course" which you could title "One last push" of pouring in a load more troops and really going for it. But the outcome is going to be the same. Even US military commanders are saying there's no military solution to the mess they've embroilled themselves in.

Sooner or later the US will pull out and let them fight it out amongst themselves. If we're lucky the Shiites wll win quickly and we'll just end up with another fundamentalist Shiite middle eastern state. If we're unlucky the Sunnis will hold out for a fair time, there'll be a protracted civil war, Syria and Iran will get drawn into the fighting and the whole bloody region will be competely destablised.

That's the problem with messing about in the affairs of other nations through means other than the diplomatic. It's bloody difficult to predict all the consequences.

So we support the Shah of Iran in carrying out a military coup to overthrow Irans liberal democratically elected government, because we don't like the idea of them nationalising their oil fields. That provokes a islamist revolution. Oh shit!

So we arm Saddam to fight against the newly  fundamentalist Islamist Iran. Oh dear he's a brutal anti-western dictator isn't he. Didn't really think that through!

So we overthrough Saddam and replace him with a democratically elected government which despite all the fiddling we do, looks a bit Shiite fundamentalist. Oh dear that looks like causing a bit of a sectarian civil war. Which might lead to the fundamentalist Iran stepping in to clean up the mess and take control.

Bollocks that wasn't the plan!

You see if you keep swallowing the spider to catch the fly and the bird to catch the spider, sooner or later you have to try to swalow a horse.

It's better not to fuck about with the fly in the first place, but hey ho it's a bit late for that now.

[red macca]

Fact: Saddam Hussein agreed to a cease-fire after the Gulf War in 1991. One of the conditions of that cease-fire was to allow unobstructed overflights of Iraq.

Fact: In the mid-1990s, Hussein ordered an assassination of then ex-President Bush, a justification for war in and of itself.

Fact: Throughout the 1990s, Hussein ordered hundreds of attacks on coalition aircraft patrolling the no-fly zones over Iraq in direct defiance of his 1991 cease-fire agreement.

Fact: Hussein refused to comply with U.N. Resolution 1441, which authorized the use of force if not followed.

Can anyone please tell me how this war is anyone other than Saddam Hussein’s fault

here are my thought on it all

[Arriba]

the yanks after the first conflict just left leaving those iraqis who were working with the yanks in the shit and at the mercy of saddams regime.promised to arm them to fight against saddam and his goverment but didn't!leaving thousands to die.

then going onto the current shambles,the yanks used 9-11 as an excuse for war to gain oil(they are stealing it now) and duped blair into it.
blair stated the whole reason for war was "weapons of mass destruction"there were no weapons of mass destruction!
the country of iraq is in a worse state now after we've gone in.
its a war we cannot win as iraq is at war with itself as well as us-yanks.

[millom red]

The only way this will be resolved is if the money from the oil is divided equally amongst the three internal waring factions and the government fully representative of all parties involved.
 I thought maybe that you could divide iraq into three seperate states as a way of ending religious conflict, but that would not work because there is oil in the north(kurds) oil in the south(shia) but fuck all in the middle(sunni's..someone correct me if im wrong) so even if you did divide it, those in the middle would be mightily pissed off.

Its a nightmare for the whole region.

[Lumps]

Fact: Saddam Hussein agreed to a cease-fire after the Gulf War in 1991. One of the conditions of that cease-fire was to allow unobstructed overflights of Iraq.

Fact: In the mid-1990s, Hussein ordered an assassination of then ex-President Bush, a justification for war in and of itself.

Fact: Throughout the 1990s, Hussein ordered hundreds of attacks on coalition aircraft patrolling the no-fly zones over Iraq in direct defiance of his 1991 cease-fire agreement.

Fact: Hussein refused to comply with U.N. Resolution 1441, which authorized the use of force if not followed.

Can anyone please tell me how this war is anyone other than Saddam Hussein’s fault

here are my thought on it all

Er.........? Did you read my post?

Who elses fault might it be? Maybe the people that helped him into power in the first place by arming him and funding him? Now who else did the CIA give weapons, military training and money to to fight against someone that threatened their national interests? Oh yes Osama! That worked out really fucking well too didn't it!

"Oh he had chemical and biological weapons we had to go to war"

Really? Well we know for fucking sure he had chemical weapons back in to 80's 'cause he was dropping the fucking things on the Kurds at the time, and we did fuck all because he was a "valuable ally" against Iran at the time (and I suppose there was the slight complication that some of his military scientists had been trained at Porton Down which might have been a bit embarrassing if it got talked about too much)

You also seem dead keen to quote UN security council resolutions, although you neatly gloss over the fact that the US and UK completely failed to get a second resolution to sanction the war, and only after that failure did they dream up the rather fatuous argument that resolution 1441 legitimised the invasion (which you might remember was not an opinion shared by the rest of the security council or the UN Secretary General.

If you're so keen on the UN you should perhaps have a look at the history of Security Council resolutions of censure. Have a look at the list of resolutions comdemning the actions of Israel and the US (the current record holder for the number of resolutions passed against them - overthrowing all those central american republics, mining Nicaraguan harbours, supporting right wing military coups in Chile and Argentina, all that stuff has racked them up a list as long as your arm).

If you really think this action has anything to do with enforcing the rule of the UN, rather than a plain and simple exercise in military power by the US to secure it's own strategic national interests then you should let me have your e-mail address........... I've got some magic beans you might be interested in buying.