the great british legal system...

[red macca]

How long where you in for, if you don't mind me asking, macca?  People I know who've been inside always say the longer you're in the better you are treated as well, playstations in your cell etc.

6mnths and four months amir and yes your right about play stations etc..i see what your trying to say ben and your right but the truth is for every high profile peado case we here about there are probably another 100 cases of people being sent to prison because they see it as a place where they feel safe they are amongst mates etc.until we start taking the prisoners human rights away prison will never be the right punishment which is a shame because if it was run properly its the best option

Completely a change of the prison system is neccasary(sp? - I can never fucking spell that, especially after a few beers). I guess there's a fair bit of help when you leave prison allready, but getting people re-introduced into society has got to be a massive priority. It's a weird one though, the more you take away stuff which allows inmates access to the outside world, the more they'll find it harder to adjust when they get out. I don't have any personal experience though, and of course I wouldn't include playstations in that.

I can't believe anyone buys that rubbish, that all paedophiles are poor fucked-up victims themselves. If he is a headcase, why did he keep her in the car at 120mph rather than just use her for his gratification- risking her life. He's already convicted Ben for heavens sakes, why isn't he being supervised, and evidently he's beyond reform.

Sick fuck, throw away the key.

I'm not arguing that he shouldn't be under supervision, I just think it's a pretty sad state of affairs when the only solution is to 'throw away the key'.

it depends who you are trying to reintriduce though ben.your average fighter,burglar shoplifter can be helped yes because 9/10 of them if you take away the addiction or whatever is behind their actions who have almost changed that persons life .but then you move on to the hardened criminal (sex offenders etc)they spend 5 years celled up with another offender then in 5 years time are released and asked to go to probation for a hour a week when imo and i may be wrong but they should be in mental homes or something because to do the things they do they must be ill this not a excuse for them by all means but you cant be right in the head if you do things like these people do

[flammableBen]

Ben, if your saying therefore that I've got to accept that some individuals have deep-rooted issues that impact on their actions then of course this exists. But on the flip side, there's no evidence of this in this case is there- you in turn have to accept that some people are just nasty pieces of work.

Perhaps you could say the legal system failed him, it didn't set it right. I prefer to say that it failed the 3 year old girl who was subjected to kidnap, rape and torture and the hands of a man the law saw fit to walk the streets.

I'd say the legal system failed both of them, obviously it let the 3 year old girl down. But it also let him down, if he was still in a mental state to commit such crimes then there is know way he should have been let out.

I'd still say that the 'lock him up and throw away the key' mentality is not the way to go. If after a lot of counciling and psychotherapy, it seems he's more mentally stable and increadibly unlikely to re-offend, then of course he should be given the chance to restart his life, under supervision of course.

[red macca]

not every sex offender/paedophile is exactly the same as the bloke in this case, who is undoubtedly a disturbed, fucked up and sick individual who should probably be put down for the sake of humankind.

i'm agreeing with ben on this to an extent, if life in prison is so lenient then more should be done to rehabilitate all offenders, whether it be serial killers/sex offenders or petty thieves, as well as having their liberties and luxuries taken away from them. prison should be about punishment AND rehabilitation, i'm not talking about taking away a person's human rights but they should be given what they need and barely little more.

the current system just seems to be about locking people up then letting them out asap so there's enough room for the next batch of young offenders or re-offenders.

i'm in complete agreement that sentences are far too lenient - especially in this case - but as it stands it's all just a complete waste of time.  

macca, was your time in jail related to your footy ban?

yes it was sonic.after everything i have said about prison not helping its not just the prisons that are at fault though the courts needto take a long hard look at themselves..im a honest person and posting the following doesnt bother me..but on the 28th june 2000 i got off some hard drugs as i have said before.then on the 27th june 2001 after the pre sentancing reports had suggested that i had turned my life around new job  clean a year etc   and actually saying prison could be the WORSE place for me the judge decided prison would be the best place for me :roll: