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If I were Iffy,thats what I would have said.All that bollocks about"being caught off guard"doesn't cut it.NO EXCUSES for what he said about Desailly.Probably I'll get slated for this but thats my opinion

I have no idea what you're talking about.....

Mr Bean?

hes probably not the only one to call him that to be fair, everyone makes mistakes. he is about 900 years old and back in his day and age it was normal, doesn't bother me much

I agree Adje, just because he was caught out 'once' doesnt mean its the only times he has done it.

so? you're not perfect either DV  :P

There is a massive difference, between being 'not perfect' and racist.....

Absolutely agree Adje.

ron atkinson fronting this docu-film thing at swindon f.c

A TEF kick Atkinson out of football protest could be fun.....what with it being on tele and that,  I'd join in, not because of what he said, but rather because he played for O*ford.

Thank You Adje :)

If Blacks can call each other niggers, I don't see a problem with Whites doing it also.  :twisted:

 :| *stiffles a giggle*

 8)

Well I think you can all fuck off. The bloke was a good pundit, he knows football. He lost a highly paid job for what he said and he was sorry.

Get off Big Rons back!

If any of you ignorant fucks were to have listened he said 'thats what we used to call a lazy nigger in school'. Which is true, he's that generation. Talking about something from his childhood, 60 years ago!

What was it he did? Say the N-word? Oh do fuck off. I hear that on radio 1. Along with them talking about gang related shootings and stabbings.

He is an old man, who has served the game well at many clubs and provided some excellent commentary on television. And its about time arrogant do gooder twats like you lot forgave him for saying one word he shouldnt have said. Yeah Nigger is a bad thing to call a black, but hes 70 odd and check out the popular comedies on BBC 1 from the 1970's. Stop being in denial! Words like Nigger and Gollywog were in popular usage until not long ago.

Welcome to the County Ground Big Ron. You deserve your 2nd chance of TV.

:roll:  Ohh but he might have said nigger more than once in his life.


You vindictive bandwaggon jumping twats.

 But he played 382 league games for the scum, which is unforgiveable..despite the fact that he never used to  mention them in his punditry.

:D

It makes me laugh when Spencer gets his hair off 8)

And he used to oil his legs before playing! Which really is bad.

But still I cant stand to see so many people out to ruin his last chance of rescuing his reputation before he dies. The bloke must have so much regret. Hes football enemy number one cos he said something that went out to a few Arabs in Bahrain and a few Londoners with dodgy satellite pictures.

40 years good service. One bad word. FREE BIG RON!

i agree with spencer. my old man calls them darkies, does that make him racist?

only problem i've got with him presenting it is that he is a scummer.

you called them pakis today and nearly got us killed by the lads next to us. what's your point?

He's a doddery old bugger who's become a figure of fun due to his slack mindedness and less that PC remarks.

I'm disappointed to see him as the front man for this project (why not use Jimmy Hill, Bobby Robson or Terry Venables?) but what was said and done is in the past. Why dwell on it?

Do as Iffy and countless others have and be the better man/woman.

oh yes big ron is skill.

fuck his political correctness, the bloke knows football so get him in.

As long as there is no reference to the scum during the show its fine.
And if there is it should be using the afore mentioned pronoun.

Spencer White,I thought Id be slated but dont you EVER call me" a bandwagon jumping twat"or an "ignorant fuck" you jumped -up  shite!Insulting black folk was wrong in the 70's and its wrong now.

Couldn't agree more adje!!

I also love it when Adje gets his hair off  :D

though this is the first time ive seen it 8)

I think Big Ron is quite attractive  :oops:

I'm with Reg (not like that). The Oxford connection offends me more than his litle slip up.

He used a derogatory term. One that belongs in the past. He was punished badly for it and lost his reputation. Why keep on about it? How many 70 year olds have used the word nigger in their lives? My grandparents and probably yours too. I have no excuses for slipping out such a term. But Big Ron is an old man and he deserves forgiveness because of his long service to the game.

You are ignorant. You just want to ruin the bloke without even thinking about the circumstances in which he said it. His childhood was the 50's FFS.

I agree with you Spencer. It was blown way out of proportion. Then there's someone like George Best who was a dirty drunken wife beater and he's fucking idolised. I bet he said the word nigger in his time aswell.

And you ARE a jumped-up shite.I am well aware of the circumstances in which he said it.You make him out to be some senile old git who doesn't know what he's saying.Maybe my Grandad did use that term but it doesn't make it right.The circumstances dont enter into it"fucking lazy nigger" is offensive.If a politician used it he'd be sacked.Ron Atkinson was a public servant at the time and should never work in that field again-thats my opinion.And DONT call me iignorant-call me a cunt if you like but ignorant suggests I shouldn't have an opinion on this matter.Besides,I wouldn't "keep on about it"if he hadn't resurfaced in something concerning MY club.FFS!

My wife is black, so Atkinson can fuck off and i dont give a fuck what anyone says, yes the money will help but Ron can fuck right off  :fu:

Yeah yeah jumped up shite.  :boring:

Attitudes have changed, thats great. But nigger was once a popular term in this country and he was refering to that time. Ron is 2 generations older than myself, thats a sea change in political correctness. And once again he said 'thats what we used to call a lazy nigger at school' not 'fucking lazy nigger' (more ignorance on your behalf? - you'll like that  :soapy tit wank: ).

He was sacked, I agreed with that decision. But Ron Atkinson does deserve his 2nd chance. He was one of the most popular figures in the game. How much do you want to keep punishing an old man, who feels terrible about what he did and has apologised profusely. Why cant you forgive him?

Its left wing PC mindedness gone mad. Is popular society going to pillory him until the day he dies? For me thats more a form of facism than what Ron ever did. He said a bad thing, he was sacked, he paid the penalty. Public humiliation. Exile from the media. But hes said sorry, he is sorry, it was a few years ago and now its time to move on.

Oh yeah, and Desailly WAS proper crap in that game V Monaco.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

(Im am joking).

Yeah lets not forget Nigger the dog in The Dambusters.

Sorry i dont agree with you, even though my next door neighbour still calls Ifil and Shakes, darkies! But he is 75............  :D

And how old is Big Ron?  :roll:

66

He's still a nob whichever way you cut it! :mrgreen:

Not really.  :mrgreen:

I think the main point is he wasn't using it as a dig at Desailly for being black, he was criticising his laziness! Not that that makes what he said any better but you have to see how it was a mistake rather than a deliberate attack...

The man was always a fat bald, badly dressed talentless cunt. I never understood a fucking word he was on about as a commentator and hated ITV ever winning any coverage contracts 'cause that useless prick would ruin it for me.

As far as the "in the old days before racism was bad" bollocks is concerned, fucking listen to yourselves. When Ricky Gervais wrote that it was supposed to be a joke.

BFR is not some doddery old pensioner who's never met anyone black, he's worked in football for decades and no doubt signed up to all the well meaning if essentially toothless campaigns the FA and PFA ever ran.

The truth of it is there were a number of mutterings from black players that had previously worked under the scummer when all this came out, that suggested it wasn't the first time he'd opened his gob and plunged both feet into it.

Iffy should deck him the first time he says anything the slightest bit, well ....iffy. See how the cameras like that.

Bald?

OK balding! That comeover didn't fool anyone.



Except you by the seem of it?

 A purveyor of rubbish always give themselves away by such oversights...BR had the same slicked back quiffy thing he had as a scummer when he wadldled around in the 60's into about 70, trying to kick our svelte athletes, but singularly failing to register a single win.

Atkinson resigned last night as a football summariser for ITV Sport after calling Desailly a "fucking lazy thick nigger" on air following his team's defeat at the hands of Monaco in the first leg of the European Champions League semi-final.




Now who's fucking ignorant? Besides I dont intend to "pillory him until he dies".As I said( the bit which you obviously didn't reach) I only brought it up because of the relevance to our club at this moment in time.Quote above is from a press release at the time by the way.

He shouldn't have said it and was wrong to do so no matter how he really felt. However, he has apologised publicly, now let it go ffs.

 If, as fans we're serious about the Kick Racism out of Football message, then surely it is incumbent on us to create a picket line outside the CG to show the watching world that Big Ron's presence at our club is not welcome.

Ive already made a banner.

What happened to forgive and forget? He said something really, really bad, but at the end of the day he's not the only one to have said it. People seem to have forgotten about Hoddle and he's still in the game :-))(

 SOLIDARNOShC,...comrade Yeovil.....we'll need one of those brazier things to keep a fire going, I'm sure the firemen have got one....

 Would you be happy for Hoddle to do a documentary on our club if the manager was confined to a wheel chair?

I've picketed before and I will so again."There is power in a union"(B.Bragg)

At the end of the day though Reg, many people in this world have said things that are hurtful to others. It's a horrible fact but very real. What makes us better people is to learn from these things and not repeat these mistakes. I respect Iffy that he has not let Ron's comment get the better of him.

That may be so sipi but its not just a one-off    


Atkinson slammed for insulting Chinese
(Agencies)
Updated: 2005-01-25 09:40

China's top football players angrily denounced former Manchester United manager Ron Atkinson for alleged racist statements insulting Chinese women.

Atkinson apparently told an audience in Sheffield last Wednesday that "the Chinese people have the best contraception in the world - but I can't understand why there's so many of them because their women are so ugly."

  Very similar  to the Serbian....who Wilson signed at Barnsley....Georgi Hristov who said that women in the Yorkshire mining town were the ugliest  in the world...and we know Serbia is not exactly a hotbed of multi culturalism.

Look if it bothered Iffy I would be bothered as well. Iffy appears not to be too affected by it (I hope this is the case and it isn't club politics). However people say things that are hurtful to me all of the time. I get on with it because that is the nature of my being. I know this is a more serious kettle of fish but at the end of the day if Iffy is ok then surely blowing this up could potentially make this worse.

Wow, thanks :?

bollocks to the lot of you.

everyone's wrong everyone's right.

you lot wouldn't bat an eyelid at i if that microphone hadnt happened to be on.
but it was so you hate him?

i dont understand it meself. it happens life goes on, racism is such a taboo because whites get on their soapbox about it all the time.

besides the club could do with the cash
i've got more important things to worry about, such as relegation.

But taking us to the premiership is a bit different from making racist comments on tv isn't it? Hoddle should really have a knighthood by now.

Whatever Dex, you fucking lazy nigger. :roll:  :wink:

that's it

you're gonna get smoked yizzeard

Well according to the sun and the BBC, Atkinson is not just presenting the program, he's going to take on a management role here too alongside Iffy.

The sun are saying there will be an official announcement tomorrow....



And the BBC....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/swindon_town/4563400.stm

Bit surprised to be honest if this is true.

Could be a publicity stunt for the program.

Lets see what the politically correct lads have to say about this :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

For what its worth as long as its ok with Iffy its alright with me. :D

Here's the link:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005600251,00.html

To be honest I don't have a problem with it, in fact I think it's a good thing. Although I'd rather it was Gazza 8), Ron has managed some big clubs and taken teams to 2nd and 3rd in the top flight and won the league and fa cups a few times so his experience could come in very useful in keeping us up even if he's said some bad things in the past.

Word on the street is he starts in the job tomorrow....we shall see.

just seen this on the bbc national news! nothing on the official website

Also just seen this on BBC news.. and they mentioned the 'racist remark' stuff in the link. This thread's only gone and made the national news :o

The BBC researchers obviously read the TEF for the hot bed of topical football issues that are discussed  :D

The other day at work the computer went wrong and I said 'aahh thats fucking gay' at it. Now in 50 years time the way things are going Im willing to bet that statement will be almost as taboo as what big ron said. No one at work batted an eyelid. I have nothing against homosexuals, I am not homophobic. Im pretty ashamed I said that. But it is something from my childhood I said without even thinking.

I thought he was comming just as part of the Sky show. But if hes comming in a football capacity he has got a sackfull of contacts in the game who would be willing to help him out.

Oh and lumpimynci (shit username BTW)

Fuck off newbie.

As far as I am concerned, actions speak a lot louder than words. It is therefore highly ironic that some one who arguably did more than anyone else of his generation in giving the opportunity to black footballers to establish themselves in top flight football at a time when black players were a relative rarity has now been branded a racist.

Before the self righteous do gooders get their flags and banners out and start picketing, perhaps messrs Regis and Batson should be asked what they think of Big Ron.  I reckon that they, along with the late Laurie Cunningham, would more likely describe him as the biggest influence on their careers rather than a racist. And most importantly, let's hear what Iffy has to say about it. If anyone has the right to be outraged then it's him.

OOOOOOOOOOOh get her!

Spencer, for chrisake if you read my post back you'll realise at no time did I have a pop at you.

My main point was that in all the talk about this talented pundit being robbed of his career we were missing a central point.

He was actually quite shit. There's a reason why the fast show's Ron Manager was called Ron you know, and he's it.

I don't really care if he presents this TV programme, and I wouldn't picket the ground or stage a demonstration over it.

To get all serious about it, race is one of those things that people have different opinions about. Ron's a racist, i.e. he regards someones race as being intrinsic to the make up of their personality and their behaviour, (Dessailly was not a lazy bastard, he was a lazy nigger, a very old fashioned racial stereotype), but he's not a fascist. He's not seeking to attack black people or advocating other people do. He's just deeply ignorant. So fuck him.

I wouldn't want to go for a pint with him but then I'm sure the feeling would be mutual.

I'm sure if he steps out of line again Iffy can handle it.

And Spencer - Why be so unfriendly? How are you ever going to make friends?

OST

From what I remember a range of black players who'd played under Ron were asked about it at the time of the incident, including Regis and Batson. I think Regis was a bit more understanding but Batson I'm pretty sure has some role with the PFA and was more than a little dissappionted with him. It was through some of these interviews that the rumours of him using inappropriate racial language to black players in training started, I don't know why but Dalian Atkinsons name comes to mind?

I'm sure Reg will remember it all and be able to quote every player interviewed.

Oh and Village I can only apologise.

Apparently you're not the only one fooled by BFR's combover. It has also fooled the otherwise infallible Reg.

To be fair - spencers remarks have a very valid point, my dad does business with people who are black and still calls them by the names he was brought up with (blacks, darkies and nig nogs) he isnt one bit racist tho, that was the talk on the estate he was brought up with.

If some twats on here start a picket line meaning the club fails to keep there side of teh contract (which will incur thousands of pounds in compo) I swear now I will go mental, I really wouldnt give a fuck.  People who dont see the bigger picture here really are short sighted

The club needs this exposure, ok so he made a mistake big deal, how many people on here have made a mistake, I put my hand up I have many times both in my business and personal life.

Big Ron may well have teh tactical knowledge that iffy doesnt and if he keeps us up I will shake the big mans hand and wish him well.  

Really fucking stop all this shit.  This website is fucking stupid at times, really is.

hmm he is now here in some sort of management capacity, I bet thats why Sky picked us.

'Will give you £xxx to Ron on board and let us film you'

My only worry is, the first thing big ron does is to bring in Carlton Palmer.... :cry:

There is a 3 page spread in the Daily Mail  :shock:  :shock:

i don't think we've ever had more than a paragraph in that paper!!

There is a 3 page spread in the Daily Mail.....about Big Ron.

Then a tiny picture of Iffy, the size of the paragraph we usually get!!

my dad told me that he was like our new coach or something. This is just great.  :|

The main quote from the daily mail is



Then there is talk of carlton palmer offering his services  :|

yeah but its still not very often we get this much exposure!

I dont want Carlton Palmer anywhere near the County Ground, not even as a burger seller....!!!

Now that this stuff is coming out into the open......one of mine from thisis

    My sources tell me Carlton Palmer is being lined up as the next manager, because he's mates with Ron Atkinson, and wants a return to managing and Ron wants his reputation restored...he's prepared, with Ron chipping in, to pay STFC to manage the club.

Although publicly happy with Iffy, for the club  its too good a deal to turn down.

 Thet hrust of this documentary was always going to be like the old Beeb series Troubleshooter, in which John Harvey Jones went into failing businesses and tried to sort them out...in this case its BR into a failing football club...he obviously thinks CP is the man, and it'll be like our loan players....only we get a manager and someone else pays for them.

NO CARLTON PALMER!!!  :x


That is all....

Iffy is our manager and he is doing a fine job I think.

 Join Adje, Yeovil and me on the picket line....united we'll never be defeated.

Im not politically correct-I just hate racists!

Big Ron I can just about stand, he has alot of expirencen and could prove usefull. Carlton Palmer on the other hand has been rubbish at everything he has done....

People said the same thing about Roy Evans.Beware!

Ron isnt actually our manager, so we arent paying him like we were Roy Evans....sounds like, Ron as Evans did wants to bring in a usless mate

The American Right used to label Bill Hicks as "a self-righteous do-gooder"

There you go again getting all personal-I really dont think I'm a "twat"-just because I dont like what he did.As for the picketing-I think that's a little bit tongue in cheek.This website may be fucking stupid at times but this,in my opinion is one of the best debates we've had for some time(personal insults aside)

Not yet D

going on what adje said, at least this debates makes a change from the norm....on that note:


KING OUT!  :wink:

Putting the racism issue aside, as most people seem to have pretty definite opinions on that and are unlikely to be swayed from whatever their viewpoint is:

I'm all for getting BR in on a consutlancy basis or whatever you want to call it.  I think his experience could be invaluable and he would I am sure, provide some useful input for Iffy but that's a far as I would want it to go.  

Carlton Palmer?  No thanks.

Big Ron and Jug Ears (that's not racist BTW :wink: ) as the long term management solution for STFC? I would give it 6 months max. I hope Reg's sources have got it wrong on this occasion.

Well that's irony for you 8)

Oh yes, and I agree this is is the best thread that's been on here for a long long time.

Latest from Skysports

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=348468&cpid=11&CLID=&lid=5&title=Iffy+plays+down+Big+Ron+role&channel=league_1

so he is doing nowt here?

looking at that i don't think there has been clear communication between iffy ron and sky?

In one of the links didn't Devlin say something that insinuated (sp?) Big Ron would be advising in some capacity?  I get the impression that Ron will be around the club pretty much all day everyday so will probably give Iffy advice whether thats his role or not!!

We need Mark D to come on here and clarify the situation!!

Sky want some action for their dollar....expect to see Iffy walk when BR starts poking his nose in where its not wanted....that will enable CP to be brought in....the more farcical it becomes the better for them.

 Person the pickets....even Asher must see it makes sense.

My reading of the situation is that he is employed as the front man for the TV show, and to do that he will need to be around the club a lot.  In that time he is available for us to pick his brains, should there be any left, on any matter we so desire.   That sort of is an Advisory Role, but not an official one with the club.

I agree with you Rob. I think he is here for the TV show and if anybody at the clubs asks for advice he will be there

I don't like any of this at all. I can see the club being a laughing stock through this. All this is going to do at the moment is disrupt Iffy and the players right when were starting to pick up.

I think a lot of it will look behind the scenes, its not like they are filming "Where Iffy Is Going Wrong" or anything like that

I agree 100%

I get the impression it's as much about getting the club back up on it's feet as it is about tactics and performance on the pitch. I would imagine the playing aspect will provide a very interesting supporting-plot to the window on the off pitch action.

The bottom line is that Iffy has got the lad's tails up and I'm relatively confident we'll pull clear of trouble well before end of May. Sky will obviously spin this as being down to Ron's input and dress the commentary up acordingly to make the current walking PR disaster seem more like a 'white knight'... if you errr... pardon the pun.

Love the avatar Reg!

what's wrong with gollywogs?

 The wog bit is dropped these days Ron.

  Read about the loss of the Robertson's jam golly here....

   http://www.guardian.co.uk/netnotes/article/0,6729,541371,00.html

  Will a mummified version of Ron Atkinson end up in the Jim Crow Museum of Racist Memorabilia?

oh - sorry Reg - I suppose me Black and White Minstrels "Best of" DVD is right out
oh the innocence of childhood is swiftly lost!

My childish insults in this thread have taken away from my valid points. In a moment of peace making I would just like to say I have been a cunt in this thread.  :D

I get angry with people who judge someone for the rest of their lives over one incident. I feel very sorry for Ron Atkinson. He is a ruined man in some respects.

But the mention of Carlton Palmer makes me think this isnt such a good idea after all!

If we get Carlton Palmer on board I will continually shout racist abuse in an attmept to make him fuck off.

It would ruin our other song....ron atkinsons white army

(Adje thats a joke)

hmmm this was one of ron's excuses though.

the question being whether "oh i grew up using those words" is a valid excuse.

i'd say no, certainly not. you can stop if you want to, so its definitely still racist. and i disagree that he's not "one bit racist" if he's using those words still. its racist terminology, whether he agrees with the motive behind the words or not.

like spencer says, soon it will be taboo to say "ah fucking gay", and rightly so really, there's no logic behind those kind of statements

Golly gee ! Golly gosh ! Don't call me your Gollywog !'

NMH

The inportant thing is the intent of a comment and the way it's said. Something like "one of my housemates is black" is probably ok, but using it as a negative with the indication on the fact it's a part of the cause isn't. So in something like "that fucking black cunt" the  adjective 'black' is being used as a derogatory term with other adjectives. But something like "I've got a black mate called Fred, he's a bit of a dumb cunt" sepperates the racial desciption from the insult.

Fuck knows what I'm on about, that's either the cleverist or stupidist thing I've written on alcohol. It may be somewhere in the middle.

A quick summery... Intent of comments can often be made out my the way descriptive racial adjectives our used. Fucking Jews.

thats true ben, but i think saying "oh my mate dave's a really good bloke, he's that coon over there" isn't acceptable either

so theres got to be some balance between your choice of words and their use

My mate Dave actually is black so there. And he is a really good bloke. And if anyone has a problem with that he looks exactly like Michael Essien but bigger so watch the fuck out honkies.

Is that in the States?

I'm sure thre was a documentary where he actually visitited the museum and made a crack pot comment.  

It was all about Big Ron going to the deep south to prove he's not really a proper racist.  He came out looking like an old woman not really malicious but really doesn't know any better and is to old to grasp the concept of what he' saying and why it's offensive.

I've got loads of Muslim mates I have...

Ive seen Essien's challenges now im scared!.

I was right all along!

When whites say it, we say niggers, when blacks say it to each other or sing about each other, they say niggas, apparently there is a difference with one version being somehow respectful and the other being racist.

According to Tupac Shakur anyway.

Tupac - ressurection, make an effort to watch it some day.  8)