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Title: Spirit of '69
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 10:54:40
Hello all,

Dan and Terry will be recording a Q&A tomorrow (Wednesday).

If there's anything you'd like covered then feel free to post it here.

Cheers,
Rich


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 11:07:04
What is your preferred relationship with the Trust and OSC or is that kind of up to them?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ginginho on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 11:11:12
Are you aware of any seriously interested parties currently?

Andrew Fitton seems to be interested in getting back involved, would he be a serious contender to "put the band back together" or to front a consortium?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 11:30:48
If/when Morfuni eventually does get the hell out of Dodge, by the terms of the JV is he allowed to actually sell his 50% as if it was his to sell as he sees fit and for as much as he sees fit?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 11:33:19
If/when Morfuni eventually does get the hell out of Dodge, by the terms of the JV is he allowed to actually sell his 50% as if it was his to sell as he sees fit and for as much as he sees fit?
probably a question for the JV (Trust), we are looking to respond to JV things asked as part of the JVBP vote. If it's ok with y'all I'll take away and get a response


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 11:38:00
What if Clem ups and leaves without finding a buyer?
Do you think this will affect the team? Why can't it wait?
Do you think a boycott is a better approach, starve them out?

I have my own answers to these questions - but you can bet they will be asked in the wider community. I reckon you'll cover this in the pod anyway.



Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 11:55:43
We have a home game on 7th December, why the wait until the 21st?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: iParadise on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 12:01:07
After the protest (which i shall definitely be attending) what's next? How do you plan to keep momentum going? 


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Boydy on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 12:02:37
What are your ideas & plans on how to ramp up the pressure of Morfuni & Co??
For example disruptive events at games as seen at other clubs being considered? A call for a complete boycott?

What research have you carried out to ensure a large enough proportion of fans both agree with your aims & will take part?

Are you also trying to find & encourage buyers to come forward? Does anyone within your team have experience of generating large business leads?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 12:12:40
We have a home game on 7th December, why the wait until the 21st?

I wonder if notice to OB has to be given.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 12:15:03
probably a question for the JV (Trust), we are looking to respond to JV things asked as part of the JVBP vote. If it's ok with y'all I'll take away and get a response

The JV is in the clubs name and not Clem's right?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 12:21:20
It is.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 12:23:27
The JV is in the clubs name and not Clem's right?
I'll take this away and wrap into the questions we've got rather than distract this chat

edit - TIFKACWIG is correct


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 12:34:59
I bet the game gets moved forward to 12.30  :D


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 12:35:30
So, in effect, Clem’s 50% of the CG wouldn’t be part of any sale - it’d just be some kind of transfer to the new owner?



Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 12:35:46
I bet the game gets moved forward to 12.30  :D
At night


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 12:45:40
cheese, should it be a question?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 13:04:36
So, in effect, Clem’s 50% of the CG wouldn’t be part of any sale - it’d just be some kind of transfer to the new owner?



I think this is right Aud. I'm not sure whether this potentially elevates the Clem's asking price, which is probably wholly unrealistic anyway!


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 13:20:59
Can we have a detailed breakdown of the admin expenses?
Thanks.

#transparent


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 13:25:12
The Lease for the ground and the 50% ownership of the freehold are tied to the football club LTD.  Clem can sell the business, either through the sale of the FC Ltd portion or the holding co, but cannot sell the ownership aspect beyond the club without approval from the JV board which the club is a minority shareholder in, effectively.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: kirky69 on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 13:34:53
Firstly I am 100% on board with the planned protests particularly given that  they are being led by 3 highly respected members of the STFC fanbase who have contributed massively to my experience as a fan over the past few years.

My questions:-
 1. What response- if any - are you expecting from the club to the planned protest?
2. How do you envisage the protests developing if the club does not respond in a positive manner?
3. Do you have any knowledge of potential interested buyers in the wings, who would be more inclined to disclose such an interest, as a result of a fans protest?
4. What do you perceive as the potential downsides - if any- of the protests?

Thanks.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Andyred83 on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 13:57:02
I would like to know if the management accounts Hall said he wanted to produce when he arrived at the club have been given!!! He has been in the role over a year now.

If these could be published to us supporters in the same format as the annual accounts last year (these aren't detailed enough, but at least we can see where the club is currently with profit or loss and creditors etc)


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 13:57:23
There is an article on the BBC now.

The final sentence says 'the BBC has contacted the club for comment' so it must know by now, even without a media staff member :)


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 14:10:05
We have a home game on 7th December, why the wait until the 21st?

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/19TSBQsXxT/


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 14:38:45
Morfuni tends to visit over Christmas too, doesn’t he? So good timing in that respect also


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Steak supper on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 14:45:01
I had been going on about protests some time ago. There was no appetite at the time.

What will happen if there are counter protests by the hardcore supporters of the current consortium?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: tans on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 14:45:41
Morfuni tends to visit over Christmas too, doesn’t he? So good timing in that respect also

He's only just gone back hasn't he?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: tans on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 14:46:18
I had been going on about protests some time ago. There was no appetite at the time.

What will happen if there are counter protests by the hardcore supporters of the current consortium?

Cant imagine some of the members on the facebook group having the intelligence to do so tbh


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 14:50:53
 :custard:


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 15:11:22
I had been going on about protests some time ago. There was no appetite at the time.

What will happen if there are counter protests by the hardcore supporters of the current consortium?

What are they going to do, throw their tartan rugs at them and shout 'Faaaaasrwaaaard' at them repeatedly?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 15:31:03
I for one won't be quaking  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Audrey on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 15:33:03
‘Get that Aussie out, say get that Aussie out’

‘He comes from a land down under
He bought our club and made me chunder
Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder?
You better run, you better take cover, yeah"


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Steak supper on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 15:39:30
But many here refer to individuals with a certain type of history and form . I wonder whether they might take measures to stifle protests or get a rent a mob in .


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 15:43:19
‘Get that Aussie out, say get that Aussie out’

‘He comes from a land down under
He bought our club and made me chunder
Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder?
You better run, you better take cover, yeah"


Surely blunder should be in there  :)


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Leggett on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 15:56:16
Thanks for being the first to properly stick their heads above the parapet! Are you expecting or prepared for any blowback from the Club?

Any plans for stickers or merch? 


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 16:27:34
I had been going on about protests some time ago. There was no appetite at the time.

What will happen if there are counter protests by the hardcore supporters of the current consortium?

They'll get told to fuck off. There aren't many of them and the average age will be about 78, so won't be too scary.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Leggett on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 16:50:04
Surely blunder should be in there  :)

‘Get that Aussie out, say get that Aussie out’

‘He comes from a land down under
He bought our club and made admin blunders
Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder?
You better run, you better take cover, yeah"


;)


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Steak supper on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 17:13:36
 are funds going to be needed? If so, is some form of fund raiser planned ? 


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 17:35:12
are funds going to be needed? If so, is some form of fund raiser planned ? 

Check X if you can. The first thing is "would you buy a branded hat for £10" which is the start of fund raising I guess.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 17:37:47
My question relates to potential new owners.
If I recall correctly, Morfuni was able to buy the Club because his then minority shareholding gave him pre-emption rights when Power tried to sell to someone else (this was the 2021 court case).
Do any of the current minority shareholders - or any of the other “matchday guests” and associates from the previous regime have similar arrangements - which would simply mean the parcel is passed on within the same circle and potentially the current downward spiral continuing? If so, how could a fan group prevent that - other than relying on the EFL “fit and proper persons” test, for which the motley crew could presumably find another “front man” who would pass that even if they didn’t?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Steak supper on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 17:40:15
I think that the company's articles were amended


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: pewshamrobin on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 18:28:14
Can you contact other effective football protest groups like Reading fans group to get assistance and ideas how to put pressure on errant football owners.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 19:39:30
The Reading group have done well to raise the profile of shat their club is going through.  But not sure they can claim to be putting the owners under much pressure.  The owners seem not to give a shit.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Freeloader on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 19:51:49
Alex Vlogs has "thrown in the towel" on his Town coverage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4anCtDW-UA





I expect a similar announcement from Chill 19.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: iParadise on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 20:07:21
Alex Vlogs has "thrown in the towel" on his Town coverage.

Was actually quite sad to watch. He always seemed so upbeat and positive. I dont blame him for having enough. It’s how we’re all feeling.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 26, 2024, 22:27:02
I've seen a few "what if Clem walks" posts about.

My answer is "then he loses £6m+" but would be good to have an answer for it


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 00:06:35
Buggar, I can't make the 21st but I damn sure would be if I could. Arrrgh.

Will there be any pre potests, at say any of the away games coming up? For example at Accy on Sat?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 09:46:19
I'll be coming down for any protest on the Grimsby game.

If the SO69 decide to change tact and invade the pitch I think a lifetime ban from the County Ground may be good for my mental health....


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 09:48:19
In case some havent seen it, this is from the Swindon Town supporters group on FB.

Why the fuck have people got their head so far us Clems arse.....after all this shit?

I despair.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fbT01yPh/2.jpg)


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 09:50:23
When we have new owners can be request that our 3rd kit is orange? It would also give further longevity to the hats purchased. Thanks


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 09:52:35
In case some havent seen it, this is from the Swindon Town supporters group on FB.

Why the fuck have people got their head so far us Clems arse.....after all this shit?

I despair.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fbT01yPh/2.jpg)

Those guys are idiots, and im convinced arent all there

One even supports Chelsea AND Brentford


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 10:30:11
"Yoy got the money to bye him out"

Fuck me.

Thankfully I'm not on that group. Rob Clarke and Robert weyman have been banned from the other one.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: iParadise on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 10:31:53
It's a small minority. I don't use Facebook anymore, (it's basically dead now isn't it?) but everyone I've spoke to in the real world is all on board with the protest.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 10:36:37
There will always be people who naysay stuff like this. Just let them get on with it, they're never gonna be on your side.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 10:40:34
That dope StfcBoo is one of them, total twonk


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 11:02:04
Stockholm syndrome?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Pericardinho on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 11:13:01
That dope StfcBoo is one of them, total twonk

This guy has me on strings. I actually get angry reading his tweets.

He will slag off Russell, Hall, Gunning, Holloway. The players. The staff behind the scenes. Everybody

But he won't say one bad thing about Clem.

How can he not comprehend, that even if all these people are indeed incompetent, they were employed by the man at the top.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 11:48:58
Rob Clarke and Robert weyman have been banned from the other one.

I'd have a lot more respect for them if they actually offered any kind of explanations to their response.

Weyman just laugh emoji'd anything negative.

Clarke just gives the whole "this is fine", "this is normal" - but no explanation as to why. Its just plain weird, and if Sutton (rest his soul) were still here with us I'd be pointing a Kingston Robin size finger at him!


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 11:49:06
I've seen a few "what if Clem walks" posts about.

My answer is "then he loses £6m+" but would be good to have an answer for it

Exactly I can see no reason why he would walk, his cash is tied up in the club (one way or another) and the only way he gets that out is by way of a sale (of an asset that gets ever more valueless as each days passes unless something radical changes on the pitch) otherwise its just been pissed up the wall.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 11:49:48
If he walks, as Rich said, its on him.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 11:50:25
This guy has me on strings. I actually get angry reading his tweets.

He will slag off Russell, Hall, Gunning, Holloway. The players. The staff behind the scenes. Everybody

But he won't say one bad thing about Clem.

How can he not comprehend, that even if all these people are indeed incompetent, they were employed by the man at the top.

Because he's a fucking moron.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 11:52:07
I'd have a lot more respect for them if they actually offered any kind of explanations to their response.

Weyman just laugh emoji'd anything negative.

Clarke just gives the whole "this is fine", "this is normal" - but no explanation as to why. Its just plain weird, and if Sutton (rest his soul) were still here with us I'd be pointing a Kingston Robin size finger at him!

That Clarke in particular goes quiet as soon as he gets in to any sort of debate or asked any sort of reasonable question and then just pops up again elsewhere spewing the same crap.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: iParadise on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 12:07:37
Exactly I can see no reason why he would walk, his cash is tied up in the club (one way or another) and the only way he gets that out is by way of a sale (of an asset that gets ever more valueless as each days passes unless something radical changes on the pitch) otherwise its just been pissed up the wall.

Exactly this, he would never just walk away from potential incomings. That would be ridiculous and make no business sense, or common sense whatever


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 12:40:58
What makes me laugh/cry about the morfuni fan club is that a lot of the same people are here who were here when Power was in charge.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 13:04:30
I must admit I had my questions on this initially, until I saw who was actually behind it and realized that they are genuine fans rather than just fans that want publicity (I can think of a couple).

Remember there will be fans that want to join in protests but cant due to having children with them or are elderly, disabled etc, but I suppose that orange will cover that.

I do feel the only way the only way to get that sea of orange as per the Power days is to be giving them away - but to do that the group would either need it sponsored or for a wealthy fan / group etc to be willing to purchase them, you wont get enough people willing to part with £10 for a hat and those that do will probably be spread out, and there is only so many that can be captured on social media, although a leaflet drop at future games will ramp things up as well I expect.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Audrey on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 13:07:11
If Clem walks - and takes the other parasites with him - I’d expect the club would function just fine financially without the leeches sucking money out of it.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 13:37:24
My question: the guys involved say they were involved with the trust when it ousted power for Morfuni. Clearly Morfuni hadn’t been any better, in fact possibly worse than power. What gives them the confidence that this time around the end result will be better?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 14:58:41
I must admit I had my questions on this initially, until I saw who was actually behind it and realized that they are genuine fans rather than just fans that want publicity (I can think of a couple).

Remember there will be fans that want to join in protests but cant due to having children with them or are elderly, disabled etc, but I suppose that orange will cover that.

I do feel the only way the only way to get that sea of orange as per the Power days is to be giving them away - but to do that the group would either need it sponsored or for a wealthy fan / group etc to be willing to purchase them, you wont get enough people willing to part with £10 for a hat and those that do will probably be spread out, and there is only so many that can be captured on social media, although a leaflet drop at future games will ramp things up as well I expect.


I agree about the hats. within a minute of searching I can find a supplier for £2.20 for a orange hat. I think a crowd fund should happen ASAP to get these hats given out for FREE or even £1 nominal fee.
I would throw £50 in just to know that 25 hats within the crowd came from me for the cause.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 14:59:19
The Q&A pod mentioned ordering 300 hats, I'm not sure if that was a throwaway line.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 15:01:51
If Clem walks - and takes the other parasites with him - I’d expect the club would function just fine financially without the leeches sucking money out of it.

It might function fine, but would it function sufficiently fine to the acceptance of the fan base. Was reading something the other day about Portsmouth who basically ended up in fan ownership after a trail of shitty owners and what became rapidly clear is that under fan ownership it could just about tick over as a business but until the guy from Disney came in with cash behind him it was at best treading water.

Albeit treading water sounds like fucking heaven compared to where we are now...


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 15:03:35
My question: the guys involved say they were involved with the trust when it ousted power for Morfuni. Clearly Morfuni hadn’t been any better, in fact possibly worse than power. What gives them the confidence that this time around the end result will be better?

It might not, but can’t be much worse than what we have, the worst team in the entire football league.
And before you say there are two teams below us, we’ve lost at home to both of them.
And yes non league would be worse, but that’s where we are heading under the Aussie plumber & his cronies


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 15:04:19
I honestly don't remember why orange was considered significant last time round and why it remains relevant now (apart from obviously a fair few having orange hats left over from last time!)


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 15:07:27
My question: the guys involved say they were involved with the trust when it ousted power for Morfuni. Clearly Morfuni hadn’t been any better, in fact possibly worse than power. What gives them the confidence that this time around the end result will be better?

I struggle to see how it could be worse.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 15:09:40
I honestly don't remember why orange was considered significant last time round and why it remains relevant now (apart from obviously a fair few having orange hats left over from last time!)

Partially as a Dundee United colour having Paul Sturrock as manager I think, but there were other reasons it was settled on, I'm sure.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 15:10:55
I struggle to see how it could be worse.

My fear is that anyone who buys the place off Morfuni is going to be a shitty chancer who doesn't do due diligence (as nobody in their right mind would pay any sort of cash without seeing the books) so will it be a Jed plus the bloke with silly hair sort of 'deal' replacing one dubious group lacking a pot to piss in with another one?  


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 15:12:27
I honestly don't remember why orange was considered significant last time round and why it remains relevant now (apart from obviously a fair few having orange hats left over from last time!)

Sure it was to do with the orange revolution in Ukraine.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 15:14:35
Sure it was to do with the orange revolution in Ukraine.

Yes it was.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Audrey on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 15:16:55
It might function fine, but would it function sufficiently fine to the acceptance of the fan base. Was reading something the other day about Portsmouth who basically ended up in fan ownership after a trail of shitty owners and what became rapidly clear is that under fan ownership it could just about tick over as a business but until the guy from Disney came in with cash behind him it was at best treading water.

Albeit treading water sounds like fucking heaven compared to where we are now...
Yeah. Treading water is way better than drowning.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 15:19:20
My fear is that anyone who buys the place off Morfuni is going to be a shitty chancer who doesn't do due diligence (as nobody in their right mind would pay any sort of cash without seeing the books) so will it be a Jed plus the bloke with silly hair sort of 'deal' replacing one dubious group lacking a pot to piss in with another one?  

Yeah that's pretty much the myriad we've been in since Black sold up. Its sadly the most likely scenario time and time again but fuck me we've hit what feels like rock bottom at the moment, although rock bottom has a basement and its called non league. 


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 15:20:46
My fear is that anyone who buys the place off Morfuni is going to be a shitty chancer who doesn't do due diligence (as nobody in their right mind would pay any sort of cash without seeing the books) so will it be a Jed plus the bloke with silly hair sort of 'deal' replacing one dubious group lacking a pot to piss in with another one?  

My concern entirely- it could be worse. Think 10 years down the line we are sharing our ground with supermarine and or a rugby club (to make some money) and playing the likes of Banbury Utd.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 15:26:43
Orange is the traditional colour for political protest apparently.

Bit too marching band from Norn Iron for my liking.
A nice shade of green to reflect early STFC history would have been nice.
Too late for that I guess.

Still. Never, Never, Never. We will never surrender....


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 15:27:01
My concern entirely- it could be worse. Think 10 years down the line we are sharing our ground with supermarine and or a rugby club (to make some money), only the arkells is open on match days, and we are playing the likes of Banbury Utd.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 15:31:22
My concern entirely- it could be worse. Think 10 years down the line we are sharing our ground with supermarine and or a rugby club (to make some money) and playing the likes of Banbury Utd.

Valid concern. There are no guarantees.  The flip side can be seen in those clubs that have won the gamble.

Personally I'm at the point where I think we are headed to worse case anyway. Maybe we'll scrape another season of EFL football, but ultimately will end up non-league in the near future.

I'm not asking you to agree, but you can see once you hit this mindset there is little to lose.

If there was any evidence of things being put in place to get better, and any sign of addressing the football side issues then maybe your point would resonate stronger with me. I'd gladly swap owners with Carlisle even if we both have the same chance of exiting the trap door.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: doversparkred on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 15:40:53
what are your thoughts on fans throwing tennis balls on the pitch between the 6th and 9th minute of matches, as a form of peaceful (if slightly disruptive) protest?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 15:40:53
For those concerned about the possibility of selling from one underperforming ownership to another, I went through the same thought process during the last ownership and with this one and rationalised it in one way.

What’s your personal opinion of our realistic trajectory under our current ownership vs what’s the roughly worst case scenario if we moved to a worse performing ownership.

My personal opinion is that our current trajectory is almost certainly towards dropping into non league, if not this season then the next. Once we’re down there, it’s very easy to keep going down and would require a monumental shift in approach, organisation and finance to turn the tide towards moving back upwards. So I think we’d likely rot there or drop further before we had any chance of moving back up. From there we know it’s only a matter of time before the club is lost.

What’s the roughly worst case scenario if we sold to worse performing ownership? Likely very similar to the above.

When that’s the case, what is there to lose with rolling the dice?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 15:48:54
Partially as a Dundee United colour having Paul Sturrock as manager I think, but there were other reasons it was settled on, I'm sure.

I thought it was this, also Orange is a colour that wouldn't normally be seen at a Town game & is quite visible in the crowd.  (I guess the fluorescent green would work the same way)


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 16:00:50
My concern entirely- it could be worse. Think 10 years down the line we are sharing our ground with supermarine and or a rugby club (to make some money), only the arkells is open on match days, and we are playing the likes of Banbury Utd.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 16:01:41
My concern entirely- it could be worse. Think 10 years down the line we are sharing our ground with supermarine and or a rugby club (to make some money), only the arkells is open on match days, and we are playing the likes of Banbury Utd.

Nothing wrong with Banbury United, thats my non league team!


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 16:04:33
My concern entirely- it could be worse. Think 10 years down the line we are sharing our ground with supermarine and or a rugby club (to make some money), only the arkells is open on match days, and we are playing the likes of Banbury Utd.

Like Batch is, think about how that "could be worse" scenario comes to be - you'd need an incompetent owner, a lack of investment in infrastructure, a lack of footballing competence in management positions throughout the club and complete lack of a plan to arrest any of that decline.

Now think what we have in place - it ticks all the boxes, plus has the added bonus of less than ethical people involved and possible use of the club to line personal pockets.

Assume Clem walks - assume the Trust grow some balls and step in - that is not any worse than what is outlined above because we are already on the worst case plan footballing wise.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Freeloader on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 16:04:47
For those concerned about the possibility of selling from one underperforming ownership to another, I went through the same thought process during the last ownership and with this one and rationalised it in one way.

What’s your personal opinion of our realistic trajectory under our current ownership vs what’s the roughly worst case scenario if we moved to a worse performing ownership.

My personal opinion is that our current trajectory is almost certainly towards dropping into non league, if not this season then the next. Once we’re down there, it’s very easy to keep going down and would require a monumental shift in approach, organisation and finance to turn the tide towards moving back upwards. So I think we’d likely rot there or drop further before we had any chance of moving back up. From there we know it’s only a matter of time before the club is lost.

What’s the roughly worst case scenario if we sold to worse performing ownership? Likely very similar to the above.

When that’s the case, what is there to lose with rolling the dice?


Totally agree that there isn't much to lose.  On May 15th of this year, Charlie Austin was quoted in the Adver article, "Charlie Austin Says Swindon Town's future is on a Knife Edge", in which he voiced concerns about the lack of footballing knowledge within the club.  He was worried then that relegation is a real possibility.  I believe that the individuals behind The Spirit of ‘69 protest group are rational and level headed and have weighed the situation including that we fans have lost the club as we know it.  Let's face it, with the current regime is only a matter of time for relegation even if Holloway pulls a rabbit out of the hat.  The only spirit is at away games, the County Ground has been like a dilapidated morgue for too long.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 16:08:56
I will harp on about my issue with the Trust - and I hope this protest move and fear of the "what if" statements from those worried focus them.

If the ownership did ever just walk away (I still think that unlikely given the entanglements), then now is the time for the Trust to have a back-up plan being worked on.  We should have a couple - ideally, some rich benefactor walks in, but given the chances seem slim, we should also have a plan for full fan ownership and what lives between those two scenarios.

Disengage with the ownership - it's pointless trying to change them.

Engage with fans and methods and means of investment and work on business plans for what comes next.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 16:24:44
More a question for the Trust.
But would the Trust's side of the JV have the power to veto a sale (of the club & by extension it's share of the CG) to any party that the JV didn't like the look of?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 16:33:13
I thought it was this, also Orange is a colour that wouldn't normally be seen at a Town game & is quite visible in the crowd.  (I guess the fluorescent green would work the same way)

Definitely this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution

But also the other two reasons weren't incompatible afterthoughts


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 16:36:51
More a question for the Trust.
But would the Trust's side of the JV have the power to veto a sale (of the club & by extension it's share of the CG) to any party that the JV didn't like the look of?

I believe the veto (by virtue of the Board structure) would be about the sale of the freehold, not the football club which is a separate business entity.  Eady reps and Trust have the majority if they voted together.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 16:38:13
what are your thoughts on fans throwing tennis balls on the pitch between the 6th and 9th minute of matches, as a form of peaceful (if slightly disruptive) protest?

I can't speak for the So69, but I think this is non-disruptive protest.

Personally I think we need to get behind the team as best we can once in the ground, holding off such actions. Its all we can do as fans.

Normally I say go for it. But league survival is #1 priority.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Freeloader on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 16:40:30
I will harp on about my issue with the Trust - and I hope this protest move and fear of the "what if" statements from those worried focus them.

If the ownership did ever just walk away (I still think that unlikely given the entanglements), then now is the time for the Trust to have a back-up plan being worked on.  We should have a couple - ideally, some rich benefactor walks in, but given the chances seem slim, we should also have a plan for full fan ownership and what lives between those two scenarios.

Disengage with the ownership - it's pointless trying to change them.

Engage with fans and methods and means of investment and work on business plans for what comes next.

The club and the Trust are joined at the hip as part of the Joint Venture.  Their current role would be to state the obvious that the fanbase has had enough of the current regime's incompetence on and off the field and that the future of the club is uncertain.  Further, it is apparently too late to turn around the general opinion of the fanbase and establishing how the Trust can assist in transferring to a new ownership would appear a next step.  It seems that Advisory Board meetings are the sole public means of communication.  Don't underestimate Dan, Rich and others in their initiative, TheSpiritof69.  

Time for a new slogan.  Perhaps, "69, it's now our time", I am sure there are better ones.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Audrey on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 16:43:09
‘No. More. Bullshit’


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 16:43:12
I think the SO69 organisers are wise to this, stressing the need for 'non-disruptive' protest.  The moment the fans start throwing tennis balls etc., you can be sure that someone within the club hierarchy would weaponise it and make the argument that the protests are jeopardising team performance.  And, by extension, our League survival.  (Assuming, of course, that they have finally given up on promotion as the aim for this season.)  They would aim to split the fanbase with this as a means of blunting the protest movement.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 16:45:40
Let’s face facts, whatever is done the club will try to weaponise it.

When do we think Morfuni will put out an entirely predictable statement aimed at tugging the heart strings of the uninformed claiming the protestors are in the wrong and we all need to come together to ensure our league status?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 17:12:08
Has to be Friday 5pm but I doubt he can even do that right.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 17:39:17
Nothing wrong with Banbury United, thats my non league team!

Being in the same league as them, is what's wrong with it though :)


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 17:55:38
Being in the same league as them, is what's wrong with it though :)

They wont be, Banbury are in the Premier central and Supermarine are in the Premier south ;)


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 18:04:03
going to give loathed strangers a listen in a min, did anyone grab dan on points west?

iplayer doesn't seem to have included that part just about Rovers selling 45% to someone from Kuwait (but i thought there were no buyers out there)


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 18:22:33
Won't engage with people that are not employed by the club but claim to represent them like 'matchday guests' 

 :clap:


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 19:30:30
going to give loathed strangers a listen in a min, did anyone grab dan on points west?

iplayer doesn't seem to have included that part just about Rovers selling 45% to someone from Kuwait (but i thought there were no buyers out there)

He was on points west yesterday wasnt he?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Wednesday, November 27, 2024, 21:48:16
Yeah, thought that's what I was watching. It was dated yesterday's date on iplayer.

Was only a 7 min video though so guessing cut some out.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: dphunt88 on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 16:57:40
Hi TEF admins...

We've tried setting up a new TEF account under the username "thespiritof69" (or "so69" on a failed second attempt), but not had anything back since? Just says it awaiting approval or something similar. Could you do some magic please? Thanks.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 18:50:20
Hi TEF admins...

We've tried setting up a new TEF account under the username "thespiritof69" (or "so69" on a failed second attempt), but not had anything back since? Just says it awaiting approval or something similar. Could you do some magic please? Thanks.

The account is awaiting activation - you should have recieved an email, probably in your spam


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 19:49:29
100 hats sold out in 90 minutes. Fucking hell might be an appetite for this protest then.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 19:56:08
https://ko-fi.com/s/cc302c5b21

100 more on sale, currently 43 of those left.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Whingy the poo on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 21:20:26

Profile picture changed in solidarity! ;D


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 21:33:25
Profile picture changed in solidarity! ;D


Now look what you have done 👍


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 21:39:34
Well that's going to make the forum an absolute nightmare to follow.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: dogs on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 21:43:56
Annoyingly cannot make the 21st, though will orange it up on the 7th. Maybe we'll be blacklisted come the 21st anyway


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 22:35:35
10 left. Expect them gone soon.

I just got a plain one before they even went on sale.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Thursday, November 28, 2024, 23:22:15
Aaaaand they're gone.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, November 29, 2024, 08:24:25
Chalk up another confusing profile picture to add to the movement


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 29, 2024, 08:37:03
Aaaaand they're gone.

Ivo Graham got the last one.

I'm sure they will do their best to get more.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Friday, November 29, 2024, 09:07:01
Plenty of plain ones on amazon for a out £3 and they're dishing out plain ones on the day as well.

I'm sure some of you still have ones from last time as well.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: dphunt88 on Friday, November 29, 2024, 09:53:14
The account is awaiting activation - you should have recieved an email, probably in your spam

He's looked everywhere, but cannot locate the email. Any way you could re-send it perhaps? (apologies!)


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, November 29, 2024, 10:14:55
He's looked everywhere, but cannot locate the email. Any way you could re-send it perhaps? (apologies!)

I've bypassed email activation and just activated the account so should be good now


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: 4D on Friday, November 29, 2024, 10:16:48
Wielder of the activation hammer


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Friday, November 29, 2024, 10:28:12
Wonder if Orange scarves would work too. Few hundred swinging it around their heads would be a great visual


Title: Re: Spirit of '69 Q&A
Post by: 4D on Friday, November 29, 2024, 10:33:10
I wonder if they do these in orange?  :sherlock:

https://www.foamstickshop.com/product/foam-hand-middle-finger-red/


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Friday, November 29, 2024, 13:23:09
Wonder if Orange scarves would work too. Few hundred swinging it around their heads would be a great visual

Now we're talking


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Friday, November 29, 2024, 13:23:38
Wonder if Orange scarves would work too. Few hundred swinging it around their heads would be a great visual

 :D


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: TheSpiritof69 on Friday, November 29, 2024, 13:28:14
Hats back on sale everyone:

https://ko-fi.com/s/cc302c5b21


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Nemo on Friday, November 29, 2024, 13:30:00
Few hundred swinging it around their heads would be a great visual

in December? Bit bloody chilly for that.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Friday, November 29, 2024, 13:34:01
I've got a William Of Orange scarf I bought around a Rangers match for a laugh but never seriously considered wearing somewhere 😂😂😂


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Steak supper on Friday, November 29, 2024, 14:32:41
 I do not really wear hats . can I wear an orange cravat or maybe orange corduroy trousers instead?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Batch on Friday, November 29, 2024, 15:57:52
I do not really wear hats . can I wear an orange cravat or maybe orange corduroy trousers instead?

Not only that you can, but you should.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Audrey on Friday, November 29, 2024, 17:43:44
Can I just bring along one of the oompa-loompas ?

Or maybe David Dickinson?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, November 29, 2024, 19:37:30
Maybe we could find an actual use for Donald Trump?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Leggett on Saturday, November 30, 2024, 07:51:47
Steady on, let's not get too ridiculous


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: RedRag on Saturday, November 30, 2024, 09:28:41
I do not really wear hats . can I wear an orange cravat or maybe orange corduroy trousers instead?
Bit of a rebel?

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/02/7a/3c/027a3c58a32ab6351e5fd7a0f5d0b9dd--men-hair-color-hair-color-ideas.jpg)


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, November 30, 2024, 13:12:39
I'm having a blank moment here (happens ever more frequently these days😆) what's the origin of the orange hats? I know it refers back to a previous protest but why was it chosen then?  Was it something to do with some Eastern European country?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, November 30, 2024, 13:23:22
I'm having a blank moment here (happens ever more frequently these days😆) what's the origin of the orange hats? I know it refers back to a previous protest but why was it chosen then?  Was it something to do with some Eastern European country?
I have no idea TBH but I just accepted that orange is the international protest colour.

The junior doctors on striker wore them recently too.

https://www.sister-mag.com/en/magazine/sistermag-no-45-february-2019/the-colour-orange/

Quote
Orange is not just a colour that brings joy, conviviality and cheerfulness to individuals but by symbolising energy and drive, it is also used politically. In 2004, Wiktor Juschtschenko and his followers used orange to protest the rigged election of the Russia-friendly opposition during the presidential elections in Ukraine. Their repeated protests, demonstrations and strikes were called „Orange Revolution“.

But even centuries before the protests in Kiev, the colour orange had a political meaning: The reigning family of the Netherlands, Oranien-Nassau, was a result of the successful union between the lineage of Nassau and the principality of Oranien in 1530. In 1560, Wilhelm I of Oranien-Nassau (1533-1584) took over the principality, then occupied by France, and became the governor of the entire area under Spanish foreign rule. Under his rule, Netherland won its sovereignty which is why the „Oranjes“ still see him as the founder of their country.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: 4D on Saturday, November 30, 2024, 13:31:41
I'm having a blank moment here (happens ever more frequently these days😆) what's the origin of the orange hats? I know it refers back to a previous protest but why was it chosen then?  Was it something to do with some Eastern European country?

Orange Revolution in Ukraine


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: DV on Saturday, November 30, 2024, 13:53:21
Wasn’t it the ‘original’ Orange Revolution in the Netherlands 🇳🇱?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: adje on Saturday, November 30, 2024, 14:46:18
I thought it was Trump


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, November 30, 2024, 15:17:04
Orange Revolution in Ukraine
Yes... That's the one. Cheers chaps!


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: dphunt88 on Monday, December 2, 2024, 13:30:31
Afternoon all, happy #Badvent everyone!

Terry and I will be appearing as guests on "Fools Rush In" tonight at 20:30, talking Spirit of 69 and our plans for the weeks ahead. If you're not able to watch it live, I believe the Fools Rush In episodes are normally available to watch again afterwards.

Regards,

Dan


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: dphunt88 on Monday, December 2, 2024, 13:38:55
And further, if people didn't hear our Spirit of 69 Loathed Strangers Q&A episode... it's available to listen to here:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/6uoGbVqnG5Si5wtidpmOls?si=EG7SuHbMQn6MqzU2DyHIPA


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: joeydubya on Monday, December 2, 2024, 13:59:29
And further, if people didn't hear our Spirit of 69 Loathed Strangers Q&A episode... it's available to listen to here:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/6uoGbVqnG5Si5wtidpmOls?si=EG7SuHbMQn6MqzU2DyHIPA

Very good pod, host gave you quite the grilling - award worthy stuff i'd say.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, December 2, 2024, 16:35:53
This is actually mental, how delusional can one man be?

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/24765872.clem-morfuni-doesnt-see-sense-swindon-town-fan-protests/#comments-anchor


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, December 2, 2024, 16:45:05
This is actually mental, how delusional can one man be?

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/24765872.clem-morfuni-doesnt-see-sense-swindon-town-fan-protests/#comments-anchor

Is anyone able to paste the article, please thank you


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: tans on Monday, December 2, 2024, 16:58:44
Wow!


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, December 2, 2024, 17:18:36
Can't read that, not paying those fuckers


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, December 2, 2024, 17:20:23
Quote
Clem Morfuni said that his position on selling Swindon Town remains the same following the formation of a fan group hoping to encourage a sale.

Last Tuesday, The Spirit of ’69 was formed by two former TrustSTFC board members, Terry Pierce and Dan Hunt, along with The Loathed Strangers Podcast and Fanzine founder Rich Pullen to put pressure on Town’s owner to publicly put the club up for sale and engage with interested parties.

The group has seen plenty of online support in the days since, having more than 1,200 followers on X, selling out branded hats in seven hours, and many fans changing their profile pictures in support.

The group intends to campaign on social media ahead of an in-person protest ahead of the Grimsby Town match on December 21.

When The Adver spoke to Morfuni this week, he was asked for his reaction to a group formed up to oppose him which has seen plenty of support in the days since its founding.

Morfuni said: “Was I happy? No, I wasn’t happy. Do I understand where they are coming from? Yes, absolutely.

“As I have said in the media numerous times: if there is anyone out there who can show me their proof of funds and a letter of offer then I will gladly sit down with them.

“If this Dan Hunt who has organised this 1969 group has a consortium with a proof of funds then I will look at it.

“I have never shied away from that and said that I am never going to sell the club.

“If these guys can do a better job than me then show me the offer; there are a lot of people who talk a lot and I have had a lot of people come to me saying they want to buy the club, so I ask for their proof of funds but nobody does.

“What do you want me to do? They are all full of BS.

“If Dan Hunt has got someone who is a billionaire and wants to put millions of pounds into Swindon Town and wants to sit down with the Advisory Board every month and wants to make sure that the development gets done then, by all means, bring them down, I will gladly sit down with them.”

The Adver is aware of and has been contacted by multiple parties who had held an interest in purchasing the club in recent months, but none have progressed to an advanced stage.

With The Spirit of ’69 advocating that Morfuni publicly says he is entertaining interest, the Australian businessman said that he has never stood in the way of a realistic sale as no such party existed.

Morfuni said: “I am a businessman at the end of the day and I will look at every opportunity.

“If the opportunity is there and I believe that they will do a better job of running this club then I will sit down with them and talk to them.

“I have always said that. In Fan Forums, in the press, and everything else.

“There is no point in protesting, just give me someone who wants to buy it.

“Protest about what? I am putting millions of pounds in every year, it is not like I am not putting the money in or taking money out.

“I don’t put anything to the club: my flight, my accommodation, or my travel – nothing goes to the club, everything is put to my other business.

“I haven’t taken a penny out, I am not paying myself a wage, I am not flying to games in a helicopter and charging it to the club as some other previous chairmen have.”

This group is a manifestation of the sentiment communicated by TrustSTFC’s survey of supporters at the end of last season, which displayed a lack of faith in the current leadership of the club.

When asked about the current state of the club’s relationship with its supporters, Anthony Hall said: “Obviously, the fans are very annoyed and frustrated and we understand that – it is not good enough from anyone’s point of view.

“Whether you work at the club or you are a fan, results have not been good enough and we accept that and we have looked at that.

“There is stuff off-the-pitch that we have been doing: architects have been appointed for the redevelopment and we have done Statue Park in association with the Eady trustees and the Trust.

“There is some good stuff going on but we accept that results on the pitch have not been good enough and we understand why, from a fan’s point of view, the relationship is strained and there are frustrations.

“However, we urge everyone to get behind the team that you love to get us out of where we are and join us in working hard to do that.

“That is what we need and that is what the players need when they are coming to The County Ground, they need a positive environment which is behind them.”

Morfuni added: “The players need it and the manager needs it. I said this in the Advisory Board, if you want to criticise then criticise me, not the players, they are young kids who are on the pitch and playing for you guys.

“Support the team and support Ian Holloway. You love this club, it is your club, I am just a custodian for the club and I want it to go up as much as anybody else in the town.

“That is what I am striving and working so hard for, I don’t want this to fail, I want to make sure it gets better.

“We have put improvements onto the pitch, we have done Statue Park, we have done the club shop, we have done the Legend’s Lounge (the flooring is not great and we are rectifying that), we have improved the pitch, and we have set up Advisory Board meetings that I have been to every one except one. In 25 years what work has been done to the stadium? None.

“I am not shying away from anything. People can say ‘Clem out, Clem out’ but it is not like I am taking money away from the club.”


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Monday, December 2, 2024, 17:38:22
Clueless. Deluded. Arrogant.

Jesus fucking wept.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, December 2, 2024, 17:39:47
He is such a fuckwit! the things he claims as improvements are just the absolute bare minimum expected.

I get that many see the protests as just a sign of on the pitch matters, but it is so much more than that. I am so sick of opening twitter and every week us looking like twats because of some amateur mistake they have made.

He also doesn't understand that off the pitch matters include his entourage of match day guests!!  


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, December 2, 2024, 18:34:39
And further, if people didn't hear our Spirit of 69 Loathed Strangers Q&A episode... it's available to listen to here:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/6uoGbVqnG5Si5wtidpmOls?si=EG7SuHbMQn6MqzU2DyHIPA

Listened to this today. Excellent delivery.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, December 2, 2024, 18:37:30
Clueless. Deluded. Arrogant.

Jesus fucking wept.

Adding in Clown.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, December 2, 2024, 19:16:39
Liverpool v Accrington Stanley - ffs


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Outletred on Monday, December 2, 2024, 21:05:28
Liverpool v Accrington Stanley - ffs

Serve the incompetent fuckers right


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: DV on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 00:03:58
Hmmm, I mean fair point from Clem that he wants to see proof of funds before entering discussions however I’d like to see his proof of funds.

He’s not made of money & his businesses aren’t exactly bringing in the billions either - so where is he getting the money from he is using to keep the club afloat.

He can beat the ‘I’m not taking anything out’ drum all he wants but until he can give us a detailed breakdown of every single ‘admin expense’ then we are all going to be massively skeptical about that aren’t we.

I guess it’s a tiny step in the right direction that he’s a said he’s willing to sell but without an actual asking price stated you can’t gauge how serious he is.

I want to sell my 8 year Old Ford Ecosport. So if anyone wants it for £100,000. It’s yours.
Not really for sale then is it?

I know the Trust have also put a communication out. That’s next on my reading list…


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 08:07:14
Ecosports are decent cars tbf. My mrs loves hers


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 08:44:41
Ecosports are decent cars tbf. My mrs loves hers

Do they have the ecoboost (aka. ecoboom) engine?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: DV on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 08:46:39
Ecosports are decent cars tbf. My mrs loves hers

No complaints from me.
I like my car but it’s hers if she can give me a letter of proof of funds.
£100,000.00
Deal of the century


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 08:50:52
My parents have one, they like it.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 08:52:03
Back on topic, is anyone wearing their orange hat to the Fleetwood game or to ColU tonight?


Title: Re: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 08:53:53
Back on topic, is anyone wearing their orange hat to the Fleetwood game or to ColU tonight?
I haven't got my orange hat yet, but when it arrives it shall be warm at all games


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 10:12:30
Hmmm, I mean fair point from Clem that he wants to see proof of funds before entering discussions

I honestly think that if someone came forward showed they had the cash and asked to see the books for due diligence his story would immediately change and they would shit the bed. Its a pity there isn't a town fan out there with that kind of money to smoke the fucker out!


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 11:49:55
Well there have been interested parties. Be interesting to know if they managed a look at the books or not.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: GTXMagnatec on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 11:53:40
I assume that Clem had to show that he had sufficient funds when he took over back in 2021?

I certainly recall at the time that Power was claiming that he didnt have a pot to piss in (or words to that effect).


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 12:15:40
Just need £100k or something in a bank account don't you to pass the fit and proper persons? I seem to recall Power quickly loaned Jed it so he could worm his way in.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Mplanney on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 12:33:25
Back on topic, is anyone wearing their orange hat to the Fleetwood game or to ColU tonight?
I ordered a spirit of 69 hat but as it won’t be here for the Fleetwood game, and having unsuccessful searched the loft for my Bill Power version, have also ordered one elsewhere that will be in time for the weekend, to ensure I’ve got one on


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 13:14:45
Just need £100k or something in a bank account don't you to pass the fit and proper persons? I seem to recall Power quickly loaned Jed it so he could worm his way in.

Didnt Steve Murrall also create a fake bank statement too soapy tit wank


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 14:11:59
Well there have been interested parties. Be interesting to know if they managed a look at the books or not.

What was the outcome of the Trust being shown the books (it coincided with me getting pissed off with it all and losing interest), looking back at their website there seems to be a confirmation that they were shown something but no conclusions?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 14:25:24
Didnt the Tryst look at the books and the trust guys resigned soon after?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 15:03:21
They eventually got in I think but it sounds like it fell short of expectations in terms of what they saw. Was never going to be a full breakdown was it. Same admin expenses x number of millions, I expect.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 15:10:53
Anthony constantly kicked the can down the road and delayed for weeks on end. Then on the Friday before he was due to appear on the OSC On the Sofa, he finally offered days in which someone from the Trust was able to go in. He then went on the OSC and said the Trust have been offered times to come in but it hasn’t happened yet.

Technically true but twisted as he constantly delayed and ignored the multiple requests to arrange a suitable date and time.

When the person went in, they were shown multiple spreadsheets on a screen but wasn’t allowed to take any data away to analyse properly, like you would normally expect to review the books. Anthony Hall was present in all conversations and was watching everything that was shown and heard everything that was said

I’m pretty sure there was at least one other conversation which all ended in mystery with a statement that was emailed to members late one evening written and sent out by Trust Chairman without anyone other that the person who went in outlining the conclusion to the matter and that Fair Game was taking over the books analysis.

All Clem ever wanted was for the Trust to confirm he wasn’t taking money out of the club. No idea what any of the numbers were but what I do know is that the books were a mess. I have no idea why the sudden and mysterious ending to the whole thing ended up like it did, it still smells whiffy to me and wouldn’t be surprise if pressure was applied from the Club onto certain individuals to wrap it up and that person caved into brushing it under the carpet ASAP.

To this day, I have no idea what was really seen, what opinion the person with years of financial experience could determine from what they saw and it was never discussed again at the board. When they were pressed to provide any insight to what they saw or what the next steps were going to be, the board got the reply “I’m too busy with work to give you an update”, feeling us all stuck between a rock and a hard place with the person we were all depending on, melting like an ice cube from the pressure of the day job whilst fans were screaming for an update.

Utterly stitched up and an utter embarrassment to the Trust, actioned by one person that just did whatever they wanted and the vast majority dared not challenge that persons actions.


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 15:17:44
Who in the trust was behind the tweet that time about the people in the background of the club and stuff?

That caused yproar on twitter that night


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 15:29:17
Who in the trust was behind the tweet that time about the people in the background of the club and stuff?

That caused yproar on twitter that night

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: That tweet s a funny story… I can confirm that it wasn’t me though.The person responsible I believe floats around in the background to these forums still under a different username.. Maybe they want to step forward to claim it?


Title: Re: Spirit of '69
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 3, 2024, 15:46:43
It was my tweet they originally replied to!